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What Happened to My Cabinet Members Thread . . ?

About 25% of the electorate voted for trump. A little more voted for hillary. Meanwhile theres 50% of us dgaf any more. Why would we? Right now supporting either side is like choosing between which neighbor's garden hose to use to put out a forest fire. someday someone will electrify that 50% and we will have our voice heard. The voice of moderation and common sense and objectivity and compromise instead of "i'm right and you're evil"
 
someday someone will electrify that 50%

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someday someone will electrify that 50% and we will have our voice heard.
It's a sweet and tender notion, but it's never going to happen.

He is the best chance you have at seeing your hope of the establishment going away. If Trump does a good job, then future third party candidates have a fighting chance. If he fails, you will never see anything but establishment candidates being elected. You should be one of his biggest supporters in that sense.
That man was never a threat to "the establishment." By establishment, I mean the owners. We're going to be at war for all the time. Financial deregulations are in place. No challenge to the Fed will even be thought of, let alone spoken. It's status quo... with a side order of incompetent asshole. And, because of him, his candidacy, his administration, and the general attitude he has come to represent, I defer to my response to heelmanwilm above.

The corruption and scandal alone is not a very good sign.
 
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This is spot on. I still believe the ONLY reason we have a Trump presidency is because Obama humiliated the man during the Press Corps Dinner. Obama made a life-long enemy and Trump made up his mind to try to ruin Obama's legacy, IMO.
That's a prime example of actions have consequences. He pissed off the wrong person. Now, think about the kind of person Trump is. His "Potential List Of Pissed Off People" is going to be miles long.
 
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That man was never a threat to "the establishment." By establishment, I mean the owners. We're going to be at war for all the time. Financial deregulations are in place. No challenge to the Fed will even be thought of, let alone spoken. It's status quo... with a side order of incompetent asshole. And, because of him, his candidacy, his administration, and the general attitude he has come to represent, I defer to my response to heelmanwilm above.
By establishment I was more referring to the democrat/republican being elected with no realistic challenge from others. You've always said that you wanted a non traditional candidate to have a chance. Trump succeeding would have increased that chance. It just seems to me there are several people on this board who dismissed Trump on day one. I'm surprised that you have been one of those people.
 
If, it's not already . .
That's why I say that humility is a very powerful trait. Most people believe being humble, and having the capacity to know you're wrong and apologize for it, are signs of weakness. To me, it takes a lot more strength to be humble and show restraint than to act quickly and irrationally. And, it's even worse to be vengeful. Donald Trump cannot handle criticism... AT ALL. He refuses to accept it and will never admit being wrong. But, he desperately loves approval and approbation... not criticism. And, now he's managed to wind up in the most-criticized office on the planet.
 
By establishment I was more referring to the democrat/republican being elected with no realistic challenge from others. You've always said that you wanted a non traditional candidate to have a chance. Trump succeeding would have increased that chance. It just seems to me there are several people on this board who dismissed Trump on day one. I'm surprised that you have been one of those people.
Atypical is fine. "Non-traditional" is pretty broad. Asshole is not the route I wanna go. Donald Trump is the antithesis of what I'd want to see in a person who is in the office of President. Just because he wasn't in government his whole life, doesn't mean he's the go-to choice for someone who is sick of government pros.

I don't "dismiss" him. I'm just making observations and commenting on what I observe.
 
Atypical is fine. "Non-traditional" is pretty broad. Asshole is not the route I wanna go. Donald Trump is the antithesis of what I'd want to see in a person who is in the office of President. Just because he wasn't in government his whole life, doesn't mean he's the go-to choice for someone who is sick of government pros.
I'm not saying the person would have to be just like Trump. Just saying that he would help open people's minds to something other than generic democrat vs. generic republican if he does a good job.

I don't "dismiss" him. I'm just making observations and commenting on what I observe.
Your posts seem to suggest otherwise.
 
I'm not saying the person would have to be just like Trump. Just saying that he would help open people's minds to something other than generic democrat vs. generic republican if he does a good job.
I do believe that Trump's administration will open people's minds. Of that, I am certain!

Your posts seem to suggest otherwise.
I didn't believe he would win last year. But, I don't think I dismiss him. Maybe I have a different understanding of dismiss. I still don't think he's qualified, nor do I think he even considered the seriousness of what he was getting himself into.

And, politicians are, by and large, pandering narcissists. Trump had that down-pat long before he ran for president. He appeals to (and encourages more of) some of the worst traits people can have. We're all capable of those traits,of course. But, he has a way of galvanizing them and making people believe it's a good thing to display them. He's actually managed to make American politics WORSE than it was before!
 
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Atypical is fine. "Non-traditional" is pretty broad. Asshole is not the route I wanna go. Donald Trump is the antithesis of what I'd want to see in a person who is in the office of President. Just because he wasn't in government his whole life, doesn't mean he's the go-to choice for someone who is sick of government pros.

I don't "dismiss" him. I'm just making observations and commenting on what I observe.


He can be the biggest asshole in the world for all I care. Just govern in a way that suits me and I'm good. I'm not marrying the guy.
 
i'm pretty sure that Mueller doesn't wanna marry the guy either . . . though it's fairly apparent he is looking for some ass to take home.



Special counsel Robert Mueller adds Russian-speaking attorney to Trump probe.

http://www.rawstory.com/2017/06/spe...dds-russian-speaking-attorney-to-trump-probe/

Elizabeth Prelogar, an assistant to the solicitor general, is assisting deputy solicitor general Michael Dreeben in his part-time role on the special counsel’s team probing the Trump campaign, reported The National Law Journal.

Dreeben is considered the Justice Department’s top criminal law expert, according to the publication, and his participation is seen as a sign that Mueller is investigating possible criminal violations by President Donald Trump or his associates.

Prelogar served as a law clerk to Justices Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Elena Kagan, and she appears to speak fluent Russian, which she studied at Emory College.

She graduated from Harvard Law School in 2006 and was previously a Fulbright scholar in Russia, and she also won an Overseas Press Club scholarship to study Russian media and censorship.
 
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If I do vote for Trump in 2020, it would be purely so I can relive the below image again. Watching this and similar images on election night provided me with enough enjoyment to get through 4 years of Trump trying his damnedest to drive the country into the ground. It's borderline sick how much I enjoyed watching them meltdown.

 
Russia is just a bunch of blabber from the Dems and the media because they have nothing else to run with at the moment.
...and Never-Trump conservatives, and all 17 agencies of the US Intelligence Community, and the Senate, and the House of Representatives, and the Department of Justice/Special Counsel.

There are two options here. Either all of the above named entities have conspired against Trump or there is actual evidence worthy of investigation. One of these is far more reasonable than the other.

Let me ask you. If the investigation(s) result in convictions, will you accept the legitimacy of those convictions?
 
There are two options here. Either all of the above named entities have conspired against Trump or there is actual evidence worthy of investigation. One of these is far more reasonable than the other.

I don't think these are mutually exclusive at all. In fact, the combination of both of them is probably the most reasonable answer.
 
I don't think these are mutually exclusive at all. In fact, the combination of both of them is probably the most reasonable answer.

It's borderline sick how much I enjoyed watching them meltdown.
I used to be a registered Republican when it was the party of reason and principle.

Now it's the party of conspiracy theories and Cleek's Law. Your reactions are exactly what I'm referring to.
 
I used to be a registered Republican when it was the party of reason and principle.

Now it's the party of conspiracy theories and Cleek's Law. Your reactions are exactly what I'm referring to.
Conspiracy theories aren't limited to republicans. I think the issue here is that you, along with most posters here, actually think there is a difference between the two parties. They are all the same.
 
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Oh, so now you're telling me what I think. That's cool, I guess.
Well, when you start saying one party does this and one party does that, it seems logical that you think they are different. If you actually think they are the same, then I humbly apologize.
 
I used to be a registered Republican when it was the party of reason and principle.

Now it's the party of conspiracy theories and Cleek's Law. Your reactions are exactly what I'm referring to.

I've never been registered to either major party, but think both sides have their fair share of conspiracy theorists. And, (after looking it up) I most certainly am on board with Cleek's Law. Not by design (I don't purposefully take the opposite side from Liberal agenda/propaganda) it just so happens that common sense puts me on the opposite side more often than not. The same also puts me on the opposite side from some conservative initiatives as well though.

As for the pure elation of watching the tears under the glass ceiling - that was just Schadenfreude at its finest. If it were the Trump supporters that were parading around like they had the thing in the bag for months leading up to it, calling anyone who opposed them deplorable, and would have gotten beside-themselves-upset following a loss, I probably would have been pulling for Hillary. Same reason I'll be pulling for McGregor at the end of August. Don't really care for him, but everyone loves watching the cocky loudmouth (Mayweather) get knocked the F out.
 
I think both sides should cut each other a little slack. This is the first time the country has voted in a total GD idiot into office and I can see where it is a little unsettling for both sides.
 
...and Never-Trump conservatives, and all 17 agencies of the US Intelligence Community, and the Senate, and the House of Representatives, and the Department of Justice/Special Counsel.

There are two options here. Either all of the above named entities have conspired against Trump or there is actual evidence worthy of investigation. One of these is far more reasonable than the other.

Let me ask you. If the investigation(s) result in convictions, will you accept the legitimacy of those convictions?

No one is actually conspiring to do anything other than cause political turmoil as those entities you mentioned have not implicated Trump in any way, shape or form. I'm still not even sure what anyone is alleging actually happened, other than Podesta giving up his password.

Sure, I will accept any criminal conviction as legit. I will take it one step further too- would you like to wager as to whether or not a criminal conviction will occur?
 
No one is actually conspiring to do anything other than cause political turmoil as those entities you mentioned have not implicated Trump in any way, shape or form. I'm still not even sure what anyone is alleging actually happened, other than Podesta giving up his password.

Sure, I will accept any criminal conviction as legit. I will take it one step further too- would you like to wager as to whether or not a criminal conviction will occur?

Flynn is going to be convicted, if, he hasn't start to sing about the others . . which, btw, I've heard has already happened, he has even supplied more documents than he was requested. The General isn't totally dumb, they've got him for 5 years right now . . peeps like him will always sing to save their asses.

How much of a wager are we discussing here . . ?
 
Maybe, not Trump . .

Flying Flynny is now considered to be a 'cooperating witness'.

:)
oh, well... big deal. There's always flunkies going down. Scooter Libby, for example.

I'm glad the DC lawyers are getting lots of work #MAGA
 
Flynn is going to be convicted, if, he hasn't start to sing about the others . . which, btw, I've heard has already happened, he has even supplied more documents than he was requested. The General isn't totally dumb, they've got him for 5 years right now . . peeps like him will always sing to save their asses.

How much of a wager are we discussing here . . ?

$20? $100?

Wager is that no one currently or previously in the Trump administration will be convicted of any crime related to Russia and election bulls#it. Deadline is 2020 election or when Mueller closes shop- whichever comes first.
 
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No one is actually conspiring to do anything other than cause political turmoil as those entities you mentioned have not implicated Trump in any way, shape or form. I'm still not even sure what anyone is alleging actually happened, other than Podesta giving up his password.

Sure, I will accept any criminal conviction as legit. I will take it one step further too- would you like to wager as to whether or not a criminal conviction will occur?
I never mentioned Trump specifically, but plenty of his associates have been implicated. It seems odd to characterize agencies investigating allegations of inappropriate Russian contact as "conspiring to...cause political turmoil." I'd argue they're simply doing their jobs. Maybe that's just me.

You can keep your money. I'm getting out of the gambling business, but I wouldn't take that bet anyway. I don't know enough about what constitutes inappropriate (read: worthy of convictions) contact to even make an educated guess.
 
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Please do poast a current poll with great ratings for our current POTUS . .

How about we let the elections from last night serve as out polling data!!!! The National polls continue to show T-Rump losing and the elections continue to show them to be incorrect!!!
 
Open borders vs closed....exactly how many
If, it'll make you feel better . . . sure.

It doesn't make me feel better...you provided a poll that was all negative about T-Rump....which most polls over the last 8-10 months have showed the exact same thing! Yet T-Rump was elected Pres...despite what the polls showed! T-Rump Republicans have now won 4 Elections in a row....despite what the polls are showing and despite the efforts of Hollywood idiots! Why do I need to provide a poll? People are tired of: the waste that ObamaCare is, open borders when we have high unemployement and 3rd world like problems already in our inner cities, the LBGTQRSUVD agenda, crime and lack of respect for authority(police), big brother bigger government, etc

I HATE DC and what it now stands for. When you can get into a government position and become a millionaire..there is a problem. When you have the districts surrounding DC as some of the wealthiest in the Nation, we have a problem! I hate the government intrusion into our lives....socialism and living off of the government tit is a bad deal...yet our Country is headed more and more in that direction every day and I hate it! It doesn't matter who is in charge in DC, things will not change....but my hope is that at least a Republican Pres can slow it down some....I know that Obama sped it up and Billary would have put it into high gear.....Our choices for Pres were horrible...but T-Rump is no where close to being as evil and deceitful as Hillary Clinton! I don't have much hope that T-Rump will change many things....I hope he can at least slow them down!

Every cartoon, GIf or meme that is posted can very easily apply to the majority of folks in DC....Republican or Democrat....especially at that high level! They got there because they have no morals, values or ethics. Every one of them has cheated the American public out of money and every one of them has has broken the law on multiple occasions....so we sit here and watch hearing after hearing after hearing and watch these jack asses put on a dog and pony show...all the while they sit back and laugh because they are making millions off of us! Unless there is a 2nd revolution in this country.....no matter who is elected, nothing will change!

I appreciate you posting the things you do...especially the funny ones.....we gotta be able to get some joy out of things...especially when this subject comes up!!!!

Poast on!!!!!
 
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I never mentioned Trump specifically, but plenty of his associates have been implicated. It seems odd to characterize agencies investigating allegations of inappropriate Russian contact as "conspiring to...cause political turmoil." I'd argue they're simply doing their jobs. Maybe that's just me.

That doesn't seem odd in the slightest to me- that Federal Agencies and employees would do everything they can to shitcan Trump. Remember the IRS deal a few years ago? Don't lose sight of the fact that an overwhelming majority of government employees are hardcore Democrats due to their SEIU membership.
 
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