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What's all the hubbub about today with NC govt and transsexuals?

Why do you automatically presume that everyone who is identifying as a woman, but has male parts, is a pedophile?

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These guys could have been in the ladies room 1,000 times and no one would be the wiser!

So if you touch yourself while looking at these pictures would you be looking at someone's daughter or son? ;) I think at this point it might be a good idea to take this discussion to the porn thread. :)
 
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Well your Governor may have lost the state billions of dollars by signing that bill into law. Starting with the loss of revenue from those pulling out of the furniture market - he's just gift wrapped more than 5 billion dollars and sent it to Vegas, they've been trying to get their mitts on the Home Furnishing/Furniture Market for years now. Potential loss of NCAA tourney games played in the state. Hell the ACCT may never come home again.
blah blah blah .... I'll believe it when I see it. And besides, you can rest assured that we care far more about our kids than the crap you mention.
 
I'd love to know how these people who are afraid of this have some inside knowledge that transgenders are also pedophiles. That seems to be the basis for their choice to take all the negative blowback from this. Pedophiles are perfectly capable- RIGHT NOW- of utilizing the current public restroom operations to fulfill their "perversions." All these people who are petrified of transgenders are doing is allowing the opportunities to go to other states because THEY are uncomfortable with the knowledge that someone who might have a penis is peeing in a toilet with a generic woman in the door. The kids they're claiming to defend couldn't care less.
 
I'd love to know how these people who are afraid of this have some inside knowledge that transgenders are also pedophiles.

I'd like to see a breakdown of this belief between parents and non parents. I think that would be interesting. I honestly don't care one way or the other about this law, but as a father of two young girls I treat pretty much everyone as a potential pedophile. I know it's wrong to make that assumption, but you can't turn on the tv or surf the web nowadays without hearing about a child being molested.
 
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I'd like to see a breakdown of this belief between parents and non parents. I think that would be interesting. I honestly don't care one way or the other about this law, but as a father of two young girls I treat pretty much everyone as a potential pedophile. I know it's wrong to make that assumption, but you can't turn on the tv or surf the web nowadays without hearing about a child being molested.
"I treat pretty much everyone as a potential pedophile."... you have my sympathies! The world is not that dangerous. And, please, turn the TV off. If it makes you live in that much fear, that you do things that you openly "know is wrong to make that assumption", then stop taking the drug. It's obviously not giving you a clear picture!

The TV media is not doing some public service. They're selling airtime. They're selling fear, basically. Whatever keeps people watching, and giving them a paycheck, they serve it up.

The ONLY time I have my TV tuned to any commercial station is to watch sports events. I rarely have the thing on otherwise.
 
"I treat pretty much everyone as a potential pedophile."... you have my sympathies! The world is not that dangerous. And, please, turn the TV off. If it makes you live in that much fear, that you do things that you openly "know is wrong to make that assumption", then stop taking the drug. It's obviously not giving you a clear picture!

The TV media is not doing some public service. They're selling airtime. They're selling fear, basically. Whatever keeps people watching, and giving them a paycheck, they serve it up.

The ONLY time I have my TV tuned to any commercial station is to watch sports events. I rarely have the thing on otherwise.

It's not that I'm living in fear, I'm just in protection mode at all times with my children. As a parent it's always better to be safe than sorry, especially when it comes to something like that.
 
It's not that I'm living in fear, I'm just in protection mode at all times with my children. As a parent it's always better to be safe than sorry, especially when it comes to something like that.
You're even afraid to admit that it's living in fear. Take the first step. It's nothing to be afraid of! Protection mode is living in fear.
 
Um... ok. Think of it as a lineman protecting a QB or a boxer protecting his face. Neither one of them are living in fear, they are just trying to make sure nothing bad happens. There is a difference.
 
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Um... ok. Think of it as a lineman protecting a QB or a boxer protecting his face. Neither one of them are living in fear, they are just trying to make sure nothing bad happens. There is a difference.
Fine... you're not living in fear. I'm not blaming you for it. We all do! We're taught that from birth. It's pretty awesome how you're resisting the admission of fear. I realize it seems emasculating, or makes you look weak, but recognizing the truth is not weak. A boxer protecting his face is because he's afraid of it getting hurt!

Our actions, reactions, thoughts, feelings and understandings, in this world, are based (at the root) in either love, or fear. I understand what you mean by protection. But, protection is BASED in fear. I don't care if it's a quarterback, or a quarter-bag, or a bicentennial quarter collection. It's BASED in fear. Fear of something "bad" happening- someone taking it, stealing it, damaging it, etc.. That is all based in fear. You don't typically protect people from generosity, or a kind gesture, or a compliment. Those are usually based in love.

If you're wired to consider everyone a potential pedophile, and you don't see that as something you might wanna work on, then, by all means, continue with that "protective" attitude.
 
I don't care if it's a quarterback, or a quarter-bag, or a bicentennial quarter collection.

That was pretty good. I got a laugh out of that. The rest... not so much. You can sometimes be off base with your psychoanalyst. I can appriate your point of view though.
 


Good. This is exactly how this stuff is supposed to work. What would be really funny would be for the ACC to declare plans to move conference office and never again hold a tournament in NC.

And again, I don't know what is in the law. But I do know if you have to hold a secret, after hours GA session to pass it, then you probably shouldn't be passing that bill.
 
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Businesses doing this stuff always annoys me. None of them actually care about the issue, it's just a PR stunt for them.

Of course it is PR, just like politics. And these idiots in the General Assembly played the PR game like they are being advised by UNC's scandal-related PR team.
 
Businesses doing this stuff always annoys me. None of them actually care about the issue, it's just a PR stunt for them.
That's unbelievably cynical. Businesses care about social matters for reasons well beyond PR. For starters, employees and customers both care deeply about this issue, so it's a smart business decision to rally against the legislation. There are also plenty of businesses that have a genuine sense of civic responsibility to stand up for what they feel are matters of social justice. Sometimes that's a no-brainer like supporting worthwhile nonprofits but other times it just happens to be a political issue that not everyone agrees with.
 
That's unbelievably cynical. Businesses care about social matters for reasons well beyond PR. For starters, employees and customers both care deeply about this issue, so it's a smart business decision to rally against the legislation. There are also plenty of businesses that have a genuine sense of civic responsibility to stand up for what they feel are matters of social justice. Sometimes that's a no-brainer like supporting worthwhile nonprofits but other times it just happens to be a political issue that not everyone agrees with.

I don't mind a cynical view- in fact, I work on mine constantly.

Motive is irrelevant in this situation because it's not like PayPal will get a bunch of money or tax breaks to go against HR2. However motive would be very relevant if PayPal got some perks from the GA as compensation for supporting the bill.
 
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Well, they are a stubborn bunch. I'm thinking they won't repeal and lose the election instead.
Agreed. This GA has done a real hatchet job on healthcare, education, workers' rights, and now social issues. I have no interest in casting a vote for President, but I'll probably show up at the polls in November just to vote against every incumbent in the GA.
 
Agreed. This GA has done a real hatchet job on healthcare, education, workers' rights, and now social issues. I have no interest in casting a vote for President, but I'll probably show up at the polls in November just to vote against every incumbent in the GA.
Either way, regardless, whatever, the collective agreement on what is "correct" will prevail. It always has and always will. That's why it is important to focus so much on your individual thoughts and feelings. This election stuff is fun scenery, but the true will of the people lies in our thoughts and feelings. That energy ultimately prevails. In fact, to get heavily philosophical, THAT is where, I believe, "God" exists.
 
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Either way, regardless, whatever, the collective agreement on what is "correct" will prevail.
Like water succumbing to gravity. Anybody heard from Chick-fil-A lately? They're doing just fine. Some people are probably boycotting them for life, but everyone else ultimately decided that it's okay for a privately-owned business to stand its ground on its social/religious views that cause harm to no one.
 
That's unbelievably cynical. Businesses care about social matters for reasons well beyond PR. For starters, employees and customers both care deeply about this issue, so it's a smart business decision to rally against the legislation. There are also plenty of businesses that have a genuine sense of civic responsibility to stand up for what they feel are matters of social justice. Sometimes that's a no-brainer like supporting worthwhile nonprofits but other times it just happens to be a political issue that not everyone agrees with.

I don't think it's cynical at all. I just think it's the truth in my opinion. These board of directors and executives didn't care about this bill until all of these groups started complaining about it. What employees and customers care about has little to nothing to do with how they make their business decisions unless it effects their bottom line. In this case they thought there was a chance that it would do that (very unlikely that would happen) so they decided to do this since it would be good PR. I do realize that some businesses have a sense of civic responsibility, but not the ones that are big enough to actually matter.
 
McCrory trying to walk it back a bit now.
Too little too late. The man has made our state the laughing stock of the whole country and neither party will forgive him for that. He will probably be the last GOP governor I see in my lifetime.
 
Too little too late. The man has made our state the laughing stock of the whole country and neither party will forgive him for that. He will probably be the last GOP governor I see in my lifetime.

Some people see the glass half full. Others see it half empty.

I'm betting you're a half empty kinda guy, aren't you Lyles?
 
Some people see the glass half full. Others see it half empty.

I'm betting you're a half empty kinda guy, aren't you Lyles?
No, not at all and BTW I have never voted for a democratic in the state or national elections.
 
Lots of lies and hyperbole on both sides. Now the state is hurt financially and we're the butt of late night talk show jokes. Why did we even need this bill? Why couldnt things just stay how they were? What horrible thing was gonna happen? Unisex bathrooms?
 
Lots of lies and hyperbole on both sides. Now the state is hurt financially and we're the butt of late night talk show jokes. Why did we even need this bill? Why couldnt things just stay how they were? What horrible thing was gonna happen? Unisex bathrooms?
Yeah, it's a perfect example of fixing something that's not broke. When did public bathrooms become a safety issue here anyway?
 
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Like water succumbing to gravity. Anybody heard from Chick-fil-A lately? They're doing just fine. Some people are probably boycotting them for life, but everyone else ultimately decided that it's okay for a privately-owned business to stand its ground on its social/religious views that cause harm to no one.

f them for not being open on sunday
 
Lots of lies and hyperbole on both sides. Now the state is hurt financially and we're the butt of late night talk show jokes. Why did we even need this bill? Why couldnt things just stay how they were? What horrible thing was gonna happen? Unisex bathrooms?
Lots of lies and hyperbole on both sides. Now the state is hurt financially and we're the butt of late night talk show jokes. Why did we even need this bill? Why couldnt things just stay how they were? What horrible thing was gonna happen? Unisex bathrooms?


You can thank the Charlotte City Council, and their mayor for getting that ball rolling.
 
Charlotte passed an ordinance that it felt was in the best interest of its own residents. Agree or disagree with what was in it, but they had the right to do that. And their citizens, if they don't agree, have the right to vote them out. That's how it's supposed to work.

It was the General Assembly that used it as cover for a massive power grab that has little to do with bathrooms, but rather dictating at the state level what municipalities can do with regards to policy matters ranging from discrimination to minimum wage.
 
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