White Whiplash at it again .. tripping

[TPFKAPFS]

I would call this idiot a punk, but that would be unfair to punks the world over. ratty teaches his players to skirt the rules and take advantage of the fact that refs can't call everything and are afraid of him. He teaches them to pull jerseys, stick out their legs, bump and hit every driver, and rewards these so called "warriors". The biggest problem to me is that the kids are totally brainwashed into believing this is good bball! If you watch carefully, Ingram is starting to whip his head on every drive too-this punk-arse brand of bball is contagious! Ingram is an unbelievable talent that already has a reputation for being too soft for the pros, how can this do anything but hurt his brand?

Vanilla Whip will get his, but my greater fear is that he might injure one of ours before we go into the tourney! I hope their first round opponent takes him out because they will not see the second! Suspension? No way anyone in the ACC or NCAA has the nuggets!

 

[TRU CANE]

not good

 

[Archer2]

You found this but not the 2 pages in their FSU game thread where they are calling out Allen for his trips? A few of them even suggest he miss some games because of it.

Regardless, me disagreeing with a few fans here is in no way a good reason for them to want me to post on their site. They don't want me over there, I know that for sure. I doubt they'd think I was reasonable if I did post there often.

Went back and read the FSU thread. Many tried to make excuses for Grayson, some said the LOM would handle it, a handful said he should be suspended. It wasn't something they could ignore because it was a repeat offense played out on TV. Interesting to read ESPN's writeup of the game. Here's the only mention of the incident in the article.

"Allen took some heat on social media for an incident in the closing seconds. The Duke guard dove to steal the ball from Rathan-Mayes with about 20 seconds left. Rathan-Mayes then appeared to grab the back of Allen's jersey in an attempt to fling himself downcourt, but tripped and fell behind Allen with 3.4 seconds to play. Official Tony Greene, positioned next to the players, did not call a foul, and Allen attempted to help Rathan-Mayes up but the Florida State player declined the gesture. In a home win over Louisville on Feb. 9, Allen was called for a flagrant foul for tripping the Cardinals' Ray Spalding."

Nice spin doctoring. The LOM may be forces to address it because of the media attention it's getting. If he does, I'm sure he'll reiterate how much Vanilla Whip Trip is being physically assaulted. He's the real victim here.

Another interesting post. Seems like they have more than five players all of a sudden. They bring Jones back and all of a sudden, they have 8 players. Let's see, 5+1=8? If they bring Jefferson back, will they have 9 or will they be back to 5? Must be that new math they're teaching over there. Amazing!

"I'm loving what Thornton and Jeter are bringing now. It sure seems we have a deep team now with Jones back."

 

[Bubspub88]

I always thought competitive was playing with maximum heart and effort, make the other guy work harder than he ever has. Seems like tripping a guy is breaking the rules to gain an edge - pretty much the opposite of competitive

 

[jah420]

full YMCA guy mode!

 

[GACMAN]

That dude should have come up swinging...that is the only way you deal with punks like this! Of course he will play the victim...so give him a reason to be the victim...

 

[JuleZ '02 HEEL]

What a prick.

 

[Tom79]

Vanilla Whip.
Could we bring Peppers back for one game?

 

[dbav]

I would say the majority of us fans believe it was inappropriate and expect it to be dealt with by the coach. If it is a suspension, so be it. We trust our coach to work the situation accordingly. Even those that do not support a suspension still believe something should be done. A couple do not, but I'm sure that would be the same on any board.

 

[Grayhead]

How do you trust a coach to do something about it when he condones this behavior. Another in a long line of classless jerks that have played for your school. If k does anything, it will be because of pressure from some outside force. Otherwise, he will keep up with the warrior comments. It's not that you guys win a lot of games that causes people to dislike you. It's actions like this tripping that do it

 

[dbav]

What says he condones the behavior? Does Roy have complete control over all of his players' actions at all times? How do you anticipate something like that?

He defended a kid that he cares about, just like Roy has in the past. He'll address it in house, just like Roy has in the past.

 

[Heelicious]

Did anyone read or hear Allen's quote on what happened after the game? The dude actually think he didn't do anything wrong. It's sad


"He wanted to keep playing physical," Allen said, according to the Fayetteville Observer. "So I tried to walk away from it as he was grabbing me. We ended up tangling up and falling."

Unreal. "WE ended up falling" (accidentally / incidentally)? Nice revisionist pure BS spin. Fing idiot punk. His take on it might work on prople who can't see and who don't know the history of this punk and the cheap tactics taught and condoned by rat and the dookbag program. Ie it works for approx zero people outside of the dook fan base.

 

[Heelicious]

What says he condones the behavior? Does Roy have complete control over all of his players' actions at all times? How do you anticipate something like that?

He defended a kid that he cares about, just like Roy has in the past. He'll address it in house, just like Roy has in the past.

We will see. Based on Ks history Id be willing to bet you on whether any meaningful action happens to whip trip via K. Maybe just a "stern" "hey don't do that it again or at least don't get caught" wink wink conversation.

 

[dbav]

Fair enough. I'd think that too if I was in your shoes. None of us are in the lockerroom so we can't say for sure. I'm sure it will be addressed, just no idea how.

I don't think this makes him a bad kid. He just got carried away a few times. It happens. I did and said things when I was 19 that I regret. It happens in the heat of the moment even beyond the age of 19. I trust it will be corrected because it ought to.

 

[keysersosay#1]

This whole episode and the reaction from a LOT of the dookies is just so illustrative of why they are despised so much NATIONALLY ...well beyond Carolina boards and fans.

It is so nauseating to watch a dook game like last night and just watch how they REACT whenever ANY opposing player DARES to touch them!!!

Plumlee is a bull in a china shop on the court but to see him get almost IRATE that he was FOULED on a rebound. is pathetic and laughable.

The sense of entitlement, of how DARE you foul US... all the while they hack and grab and push and throw down opponents left and right and STILL they bitch and complain and whine and cry. Allen is the Worst on THIS team but just the latest in a long line of punks that this program routinely turns out.

But we all know WHO REALLY is responsible for this, who encourages this and promotes it all and has done so for his entire career.

 

[tarh33ls]

What says he condones the behavior? Does Roy have complete control over all of his players' actions at all times? How do you anticipate something like that?

He defended a kid that he cares about, just like Roy has in the past. He'll address it in house, just like Roy has in the past.

I don't think he condones it but he should have sat him the first time, many many coaches would have sat his ass down. You saw Self call out his kid for dunking when the game was over for example and that was way less severe in my eyes. There is no way Roy would have kept him in, he sits guys like Brice for way less.

I get that you guys are undermanned but by not punishing him, at least publicly, you get a repeat of that behavior. I'd tend to say that K didn't do much about it at all the first time because he tripped someone again. If he had been punished or K had somehow reprimanded him you wouldn't expect this type of repeat behavior in such a short time frame.

 

[acarter0277]

I was unable to watch the game. Looking at the clip, the ref was clearly looking right at it. Looks like Tony Greene. Did they go to the monitor and look at it?

 

[gunslingerdick]

What says he condones the behavior? Does Roy have complete control over all of his players' actions at all times? How do you anticipate something like that?

He defended a kid that he cares about, just like Roy has in the past. He'll address it in house, just like Roy has in the past.

K must have really laid into him the first time it happened. So much so that Allen was taught a lesson. Err, well, ...

 

[Archer2]

I don't think he condones it but he should have sat him the first time, many many coaches would have sat his ass down. You saw Self call out his kid for dunking when the game was over for example and that was way less severe in my eyes. There is no way Roy would have kept him in, he sits guys like Brice for way less.

I get that you guys are undermanned but by not punishing him, at least publicly, you get a repeat of that behavior. I'd tend to say that K didn't do much about it at all the first time because he tripped someone again. If he had been punished or K had somehow reprimanded him you wouldn't expect this type of repeat behavior in such a short time frame.

Bingo. If the LOM had addresses it the first time, I doubt very seriously if it would have happened again. Not addressing it is tantamount to condoning it. If he addresses it now, it will only be because he feels forced to do so. Any Coach who is not a jerk would have done so in no uncertain terms the first time it happened. Heck, even his mentor Knight would not have allowed his players to play dirty. I have more respect for him than his protégé, and he's one of the biggest jerks to ever walk the sidelines.

 

[gobblercalls]

Fair enough. I'd think that too if I was in your shoes. None of us are in the lockerroom so we can't say for sure. I'm sure it will be addressed, just no idea how.

I don't think this makes him a bad kid. He just got carried away a few times. It happens. I did and said things when I was 19 that I regret. It happens in the heat of the moment even beyond the age of 19. I trust it will be corrected because it ought to.

Are you serious? He got carried away?? Have you lost your frikken mind? Carried away is a shove or going over someone's back. Even a hard foul could be called getting carried away. In the heat of the moment? The game was all but over! It was dirty the first time he did it against the Louisville player. He deserved a suspension then. Obviously Sheshitski didn't see fit to discipline the little p.o.s. The second time his season should be over! There is absolutely no room in college athletics of any kind for that type of garbage. Any person that defends that behavior as "he just got carried away" is himself a person of extremely low character!!

 

[Bubspub88]

Grayson has been told that if it happens again he will have to shower alone the rest of the season

 

[DSouthr]

Fair enough. I'd think that too if I was in your shoes. None of us are in the lockerroom so we can't say for sure. I'm sure it will be addressed, just no idea how.

I don't think this makes him a bad kid. He just got carried away a few times. It happens. I did and said things when I was 19 that I regret. It happens in the heat of the moment even beyond the age of 19. I trust it will be corrected because it ought to.

What says he condones the behavior? Does Roy have complete control over all of his players' actions at all times? How do you anticipate something like that?

He defended a kid that he cares about, just like Roy has in the past. He'll address it in house, just like Roy has in the past.

What says K condones this behavior? Maybe the fact that it continues, maybe the fact that there is a long history of such things with duke players?

You know as well as I, the ONLY thing K may have been upset over is that it was so easy to see, not that it happened but that it was clearly seen.

You trust that it will be corrected yet this is the 2nd time in a couple games it has happened, it clearly was not corrected the first time he did it, how can you trust it will be resolved this time?

In order for this to get corrected, it is going to take an opposing player to correct it and absolutely NOT by getting up swinging but by pushing the boundry on the definition of a hard foul the next couple times Allen decides to drive the lane...

 

[Steat]

Pretty obvious and for ESPN (whose Duke bias is greatly known) to actual say anything negative toward the Blue Devils has me lost for words this morning. I feel like Fred Sanford with a hand over my heart looking to the heavens saying Elizabeth I'm coming...

Yep, "Elizabeth, I'm coming to join you honey".....

 

[Steat]

I'd invite that pig molester to post here, but alas...it's pointless. It can't pass the IQ test.

Bent, the rumor going around is that he flunked out of law school. The man is in pain...I feel sorry for him.

 

[dbav]

I don't think he condones it but he should have sat him the first time, many many coaches would have sat his ass down. You saw Self call out his kid for dunking when the game was over for example and that was way less severe in my eyes. There is no way Roy would have kept him in, he sits guys like Brice for way less.

I get that you guys are undermanned but by not punishing him, at least publicly, you get a repeat of that behavior. I'd tend to say that K didn't do much about it at all the first time because he tripped someone again. If he had been punished or K had somehow reprimanded him you wouldn't expect this type of repeat behavior in such a short time frame.

Maybe, but again, does Roy control every player's behavior every minute? There have been many instances where kids have been sat down by K for similar things.

What I was saying is that Duke fans have acknowledged it and I'm sure it will be handled. That is my personal opinion though. I have no idea what the relationship is between K and Allen so I have no idea how it would be handled. I don't believe that the fact it happened a second time is necessarily proof K condones it.

 

[dbav]

What says K condones this behavior? Maybe the fact that it continues, maybe the fact that there is a long history of such things with duke players?

You know as well as I, the ONLY thing K may have been upset over is that it was so easy to see, not that it happened but that it was clearly seen.

You trust that it will be corrected yet this is the 2nd time in a couple games it has happened, it clearly was not corrected the first time he did it, how can you trust it will be resolved this time?

In order for this to get corrected, it is going to take an opposing player to correct it and absolutely NOT by getting up swinging but by pushing the boundry on the definition of a hard foul the next couple times Allen decides to drive the lane...

Forgive me if I misinterpreted, but your proposed solution to his behavior is for someone else to behave the same way, except it's permissible because of the target? Seems like a paradox. You are intolerant of the behavior, yet are encouraging it as a solution.

 

[Hark_The_Sound_2010]

I don't believe that the fact it happened a second time is necessarily proof K condones it.

It proves he either condones it, or doesn't have adequate control over his players. He doesn't need to control them every second as you mentioned, but he needs to have his general policies and beliefs followed - or there should be consequences. Public consequences - for example a suspension, even if its just for a half of a game or something.

Forgive me if I misinterpreted, but your proposed solution to his behavior is for someone else to behave the same way, except it's permissible because of the target? Seems like a paradox. You are intolerant of the behavior, yet are encouraging it as a solution.

DSouthr made it pretty clear he wasn't suggesting opposing players should resort to slimy weasly doochie tactics of tripping players when they're not expecting it and potentially causing injuries. He was suggesting committing a grown man's foul - a hard physical play in the lane. And believe me - there's nothing about Allen's behavior that exhibits "Grown Man" or "Physical", so no - that's not a paradox of using the same behavior as solution to the original behavior.

 

[dbav]

Understood. I know that poster is typically very careful in choosing his words. But, in my experience, saying "testing the boundary" typically means "crossing the line to see if you get away with it".

Like I said. There should be punishment and it should be addressed. I trust my coach to handle it.

 

[Hark_The_Sound_2010]

"crossing the line to see if you get away with it".

Perfect caption for:

 

[keysersosay#1]

Goodman was on sports radio here in DC about an hour ago..He was asked if he thought anything will happen to the PUNK after last night??? "Probably not"
THEN starts saying..well ALL these schools would not be punished... mentioned Us KY etc . I About threw up .

THEN the host and he just went on and on about what a GREAT coaching job Vader has done this year, with only 6 players. The slurping and non stop gushing was pathetic. I Almost threw the radio outside . THIS is the hold that this Vader has on these hack media types. Just nauseating

 

[Grayhead]

Take the dark blue shades off for a while and it will become obvious. K knows his players do this. It's an automatic assumption that he teaches it. The head flails, leg lockouts, tripping, scratching, shoving, hand checks, pulling the jersys, and berating the officials. It all happens every year. Seems everyone is afraid to take on his lordness over it. And Hark, this is his policy and belief. A player coming in once in a while with these tendencies is one thing. Every year one or two live up to the dook standards of prickness. K will only do something to Allen, because he is being spotlighted by some media outlets.

 

[Tigertown_a_Rick]

Is he well on his way to passing Christine Laettner for greatest dook douche of all time?

He'll have to stomp an opponent in the midsection a time or two to get to Laettner's level, but he's well on his way!

What happens next saturday when he trips one of our players?.....Kinda hard to sneak an elbow into someone's face anymore as retaliation, since it seems all those fouls are replayed nowadays, but this kid needs a serious attitude adjustment, and I think it's just a matter of time before he gets it, and I looking forward to him getting his due....What a punk!

Dook's whole program is a disgrace, but K-Rat taught them well!

 

[Bubspub88]

Maybe, but again, does Roy control every player's behavior every minute? There have been many instances where kids have been sat down by K for similar things.

What I was saying is that Duke fans have acknowledged it and I'm sure it will be handled. That is my personal opinion though. I have no idea what the relationship is between K and Allen so I have no idea how it would be handled. I don't believe that the fact it happened a second time is necessarily proof K condones it.

Name one instance where k sat a key player for similar things had k handled it the first time there is no way Allen does it a second time. Dookies can acknowledge the behavior but I doubt you will see any criticism of the coach for not correcting it.

 

[Hark_The_Sound_2010]

Speaking of Sulaimon, it's AMAZING how he doesn't seem like nearly as much of a doochie now that he's at Maryland. Amazing!

 

[ROYALWITCHEESE]

ACC issued a "Letter of Reprimand". No further punishment.

 

[keysersosay#1]

Punk gets "letter of reprimand" from the league

Whoppety friggin doooooooo

 

[BillyL]

ACC issued a "Letter of Reprimand". No further punishment.

LOL

 

[JuleZ '02 HEEL]

#lolACC

 

[SeaHawk98]

How the #%&% do you issue a reprimand? He did it twice and rumors he did it during the Clemson Game. So UNC football player was suspended for an lesser violation. Screw John Swofford and the ACC. They, along with Dook, can go straight to hell.

 

[Tru Blu Tar Heel]

ESPN just confirm the ACC will not suspend Allen. Doesn't come as any surprise. Imagine dook having to play without their best player. ACC isn't gonna let that happen. Makds you wonder what a dook player actually has to do to get suspended.