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White Whiplash at it again .. tripping

I'm honestly surprised they did that much - they never reprimand K for his over the top whining and foul language and berating officials - even though I'd say that could be seen as worse.

Must only be due to the fact that the media seems to have picked up on his antics, that the ACC felt they needed to address it, and issuing a reprimand was the least thing they could do.
 
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Coach Sweaty Williams on the radio a moment ago and was surprised ... NOT... that PUNK got no suspension. Says it is the Tobacco road bias He also Wondered exactly WHAT someone has to do to GET suspended

He Picked UVA to win tomorrow
 
There is only one thing left. Go to Cameron and kick butts!
 
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And with that public punishment handed down by the league k will believe that Allen has been punished sufficiently and see no need for anything else, except to chastise him for being so obvious about it
 
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I would say the majority of us fans believe it was inappropriate and expect it to be dealt with by the coach. If it is a suspension, so be it. We trust our coach to work the situation accordingly. Even those that do not support a suspension still believe something should be done. A couple do not, but I'm sure that would be the same on any board.

And don't forget, this is strike 2 for the exact same dern thing.
 
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Maybe, but again, does Roy control every player's behavior every minute? There have been many instances where kids have been sat down by K for similar things.

What I was saying is that Duke fans have acknowledged it and I'm sure it will be handled. That is my personal opinion though. I have no idea what the relationship is between K and Allen so I have no idea how it would be handled. I don't believe that the fact it happened a second time is necessarily proof K condones it.

The difference is that Roy would have likely sat him down the first time, then again it's very uncommon to actually see someone do this intentionally, multiple times across a short time period. If there have been so many instances I'd like to hear a few and if there have been, why didn't he sit him the first time?

I don't think K condones it as I stated but by not punishing it then there are no consequences and little to prevent Allen from doing it again, as we have seen. The funniest part is that he tried to act like the good guy and offer his hand and then lied to the media in his explanation of what occurred. At least be honest, say the heat of the moment got to you and you made a mistake. The guy has the balls to pull bush league crap and doesn't even have the balls to admit it afterwards.

At least be man enough to admit what you did and accept the consequences instead of providing a bold faced lie to everyone. I don't resort to personal attacks on your coach or players but the kid is a punk.
 
curious as to if any of you guys have watched the whole thing....the louisville game he was 100% wrong and got the flagrant 1........5 sec left and down 15 the fsu kid tries to steal the ball...(that usually has some of you guys outraged).....grayson on the other side of the court and mayes bumping him....the steal happens, right after a body bump, mayes swipes over grayson's head (hitting the top or back) in a motion to run down court after the steal attempt.....why??????....grayson retaliates, but the trip is all that is being spoken about
 
curious as to if any of you guys have watched the whole thing....the louisville game he was 100% wrong and got the flagrant 1........5 sec left and down 15 the fsu kid tries to steal the ball...(that usually has some of you guys outraged).....grayson on the other side of the court and mayes bumping him....the steal happens, right after a body bump, mayes swipes over grayson's head (hitting the top or back) in a motion to run down court after the steal attempt.....why??????....grayson retaliates, but the trip is all that is being spoken about
Oh, in that case, it was just fine. Everyone please ignore this thread.
 
no it isnt fine (restraint is needed), but just watch the whole sequence...the trip came after the swipe to the head
 
no it isnt fine (restraint is needed), but just watch the whole sequence...the trip came after the swipe to the head
You and dbav are two of the more reasonable dook fans but to try and justify Allen's behavior, or the failure of his coach to nip it in the bud, is ludicrous. It's no coincidence that a dook player would stomp on another's chest, kick their legs out on jumpers, snap their head back upon minimal contact, etc... That's a direct reflection on the coach and his bush league tactics. If the LOM had addressed this the first time it happened, it wouldn't have happened again.

Do you think the LOM actually addressed the leg kick with Allen after it happened the first time? If not, why? If so, why did it happen again so soon after the first incidence?

We all know how much control he exercises over his program. Allen pulled his bush league tactics again because he wasn't punished the first time and that's on his bush league Coach. Leader of men, indeed.
 
You and dbav are two of the more reasonable dook fans but to try and justify Allen's behavior, or the failure of his coach to nip it in the bud, is ludicrous. It's no coincidence that a dook player would stomp on another's chest, kick their legs out on jumpers, snap their head back upon minimal contact, etc... That's a direct reflection on the coach and his bush league tactics. If the LOM had addressed this the first time it happened, it wouldn't have happened again.

Do you think the LOM actually addressed the leg kick with Allen after it happened the first time? If not, why? If so, why did it happen again so soon after the first incidence?

We all know how much control he exercises over his program. Allen pulled his bush league tactics again because he wasn't punished the first time and that's on his bush league Coach. Leader of men, indeed.

I don't think I did try to justify it. It was wrong. Even if provoked, the high road is the high road.

I think that what's important is the 2nd paragraph of your post poses a lot of questions that we simply don't have answers to. What we're working with is opinion and assumption. I believe it likely was addressed the first time. If not, shame on the staff. I also believe it was a dumb mistake by a 19 year old both times. Doesn't make him a bad person, just a kid that made a mistake. Shame on him. I hope he learns from it.

Just my opinion though. I'll leave it alone from this point on.
 
Forgive me if I misinterpreted, but your proposed solution to his behavior is for someone else to behave the same way, except it's permissible because of the target? Seems like a paradox. You are intolerant of the behavior, yet are encouraging it as a solution.

ESPN just confirm the ACC will not suspend Allen. Doesn't come as any surprise. Imagine dook having to play without their best player. ACC isn't gonna let that happen. Makds you wonder what a dook player actually has to do to get suspended.

The LOM isn't going to punish the punk and neither is the league. Someone's going to have to knock a couple of his teeth out to get the message across. I rarely advocate violence in a sporting event. but when a player employs bush league tactics that could cause physical harm to other players, he deserves to be knocked on his arse. The only problem is that the player that retaliates would be suspended for the remainder of the season. And that would be a shame.

I assure you that if he tries that crap in the league, he will get his arse whipped.
 
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no it isnt fine (restraint is needed), but just watch the whole sequence...the trip came after the swipe to the head
Grayson could do well to use some Tyler Hansbrough style restraint.... There's a guy who had every right to rip Gerald's balls out and shove them down his throat..... Bump to the head? Give us a break, is Grayson the victim here?
 
"Reprimand" hahahaha .... if the next opponent was Jacksonville State, I'm guessing he would be in street clothes. Too much to play for on Sunday.

He's gonna get his punishment on one of his out of control dribble-drives into the lane someday soon. It's coming.
 
You're not supposed to retaliate but if you do retaliate you should do it face to face, don't trip a guy as he runs away, that's a bitch move, plain and simple. The fact that he lied about it after is a joke, why not own up to it? Say that you retaliated or that the moment got to you and you made a mistake. It lacks any sort of character. The first time he tripped a guy was because he was pissed off about not getting a call as he spazzed mid air after going through the lane. It's one thing to lack maturity, it's another to act like a punk and then not even own up to your mistakes but concoct obvious lies to feed the media. Just makes him look worse.
 
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I think that what's important is the 2nd paragraph of your post poses a lot of questions that we simply don't have answers to. What we're working with is opinion and assumption. I believe it likely was addressed the first time. If not, shame on the staff. I also believe it was a dumb mistake by a 19 year old both times. Doesn't make him a bad person, just a kid that made a mistake. Shame on him. I hope he learns from it.

Does anyone honestly think that if k told Allen "if you ever do anything like that to embarrass this program again you will not get off the bench" he would trip a guy in the middle of the floor with no one else around? Just a hunch but I am guessing k can be a bit forceful and scary when he chooses to be at least the officials think so
 
You and dbav are two of the more reasonable dook fans but to try and justify Allen's behavior, or the failure of his coach to nip it in the bud, is ludicrous. It's no coincidence that a dook player would stomp on another's chest, kick their legs out on jumpers, snap their head back upon minimal contact, etc... That's a direct reflection on the coach and his bush league tactics. If the LOM had addressed this the first time it happened, it wouldn't have happened again.

Do you think the LOM actually addressed the leg kick with Allen after it happened the first time? If not, why? If so, why did it happen again so soon after the first incidence?

We all know how much control he exercises over his program. Allen pulled his bush league tactics again because he wasn't punished the first time and that's on his bush league Coach. Leader of men, indeed.[/QUO

How long ago was laettners stomp???...that was him, not duke....more than just duke players do the leg kick or the neck whip...Grayson was punished for the 1st one...he was assessed a flagrant 1.....this incident while looking at the whole play shows Mayes muscling him and taking a swipe at his head...think about your youth for a moment when playing with a friend or not playing with a friend and they hit you and try to take off running....what's the 9 times out of 10 reaction........a trip attempt....he should have restrained himself.....but it's being made that Mayes was just minding his business...he instigated the situation.....if was one of your guys that had a cheap shot taken on him and he responded by kicking at, tripping, pushing, swinging at or etc...most on this board would probably be applauding him
 
Dookies can defend this all they want but there's no excuse for this crap. It's truly punk-azz behavior.

I had thought people were joking when they said the doochies were actually defending this garbage. But now I can see they actually are lol.

He's gonna get his punishment on one of his out of control dribble-drives into the lane someday soon. It's coming.

Someone will give him a reason to snap his head back like he's been shot for once, that's for sure.
 
How long ago was laettners stomp???...that was him, not duke....more than just duke players do the leg kick or the neck whip...Grayson was punished for the 1st one...he was assessed a flagrant 1.....this incident while looking at the whole play shows Mayes muscling him and taking a swipe at his head...think about your youth for a moment when playing with a friend or not playing with a friend and they hit you and try to take off running....what's the 9 times out of 10 reaction........a trip attempt....he should have restrained himself.....but it's being made that Mayes was just minding his business...he instigated the situation.....if was one of your guys that had a cheap shot taken on him and he responded by kicking at, tripping, pushing, swinging at or ethim..most on this board would probably be applauding him

You guys can try to spin this thing all you want but all it does is make you look as bad as your dirty player and the LOM. You're mimicking K's "Henderson is the real victim here” schtick. You obviously don't care if a dook player plays dirty and apparently your coach doesn't either. And then you deliver a backhand insult by saying if it was our player, " most on this board would probably be applauding him", as of dook fans have higher ethical standards than UNC fans.

I'll ask one more time, since no dook fans seem to want to answer the questions we keep asking. Do you think K addressed the first kicking incident with Allen? If so, do you think Allen would turn right around and do it again? Common sense would indicate that he didn't and that Allen wouldn't. So that begs the question, why didn't he?

And not sternly addressing the first incident, one so blatant that even dook fans begrudgingly admit was bad and which led to a flagrant foul, is tantamount to condoning Allen's bush league behavior. Bobby Knight was a royal jerk but he never would have allowed one of his players to get away with that type of behavior. He would have sat Allen's butt down after the initial incident and nipped that type of stuff in the bud. Of course he never would have condoned/taught all the leg kicks, head whips, etc... that the LOM does. I would love to hear his take on Allen's behavior.

The one common denominator in all of dook's bush league antics over the years is the LOM. So I guess we really can't blame Allen. The blame falls squarely on his coach's shoulders.
 
And boogie, if the opposing player did something to start this whole sequence, the the other coach should handle that player. What is pitiful is a ref was clearly seen looking at it happen. That blind eye stuff males me sick.
 
And boogie, if the opposing player did something to start this whole sequence, the the other coach should handle that player. What is pitiful is a ref was clearly seen looking at it happen. That blind eye stuff males me sick.
It makes me sick too. The ref was looking right at the play and swallowed his whistle. Call the last 10 seconds of the game like you call the opening 10!
 
curious as to if any of you guys have watched the whole thing....the louisville game he was 100% wrong and got the flagrant 1........5 sec left and down 15 the fsu kid tries to steal the ball...(that usually has some of you guys outraged).....grayson on the other side of the court and mayes bumping him....the steal happens, right after a body bump, mayes swipes over grayson's head (hitting the top or back) in a motion to run down court after the steal attempt.....why??????....grayson retaliates, but the trip is all that is being spoken about

Ha hahahahahahahaha! Take off the Duke colored shades bro. Wtf were you watching? My lord.
 
"Reprimand" hahahaha .... if the next opponent was Jacksonville State, I'm guessing he would be in street clothes. Too much to play for on Sunday.

He's gonna get his punishment on one of his out of control dribble-drives into the lane someday soon. It's coming.

Kid won't last a year pulling this shit in the NBA. That's a fact.
 
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"Is Coach K too busy shooting an ESPN commercial to do something about it?"

hahahaha, great line right there!
 
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I don't know who dbav is, but Boogieman is NOT a reasonable poster! I don't know why our memories are so short, but whatever. Anyone that even tries to defend Vanilla Whip's unmanly antics has lost all credibility forever in my book.

Major College BBall is a MAN's Game, but this is a fact that puke seems to have forgotten! There is not ONE single instant in any game that a player takes a contested interior shot without contact, but how many times have you seen other teams' players resorting to chest stomps and trips? If you can watch those plays by Punkson AND listen to him lie like a child with his hand in the cookie jar AND still JCD, you have been brainwashed by the LOM!

UNC Family would NOT condone this type of behavior and Roy would have put his punk arse on the bench, period! ratty...crickets!
 
You should just go over to DI (yeah I washed myself after I did it) and read the complete denial and total cult like behavior from these idiots. Most of them defend the Punk completely and try to point out how mean and awful the opponents are to poor old Grayson. But the most laughable part about it is the notion that Vader will "handle this internally". Yeah he really handled it after the first incident didn't he?? what a Load of BS from these Jim Jones Kool aid drinking twits

Vader did absolutely NOTHING after the first incident because he LOVES what the Punk did. This is the "warrior" mentality, the phony chest bumping, floor slapping ish that dook has practiced for over thirty years. What is ironic is that the dookies do NOT want you to TOUCH THEIR warriors!!! THAT is awful, and poor old Grayson can only take so much!!! Warrior???? I can think of another name that relates to a small kitten


Of course they always fall back on AFAM and our scandal as a go to excuse that WE cannot comment on anything dook related


Remind me again about that lance Thomas investigation dook undertook? Oh right THAT is still covered up six years on, just like the cultists want THIS to be brushed aside ,covered up and forgotten about.

Hey doochies NO ONE is going to forget about yet another in the LONG line of punks that your coach and program turn out.
 
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"Is Coach K too busy shooting an ESPN commercial to do something about it?"

hahahaha, great line right there!

You just don't understand Bleed. The Leader of Men has various and sundry duties which preclude him from addressing every minute issue that may arise. Special K isn't omnipotent but he's working on it. Give him time. Heck, it took God 6 days to create the earth.
 
Not good. Should not have done that, no matter how physical teams are being. Hopefully he stops. That's the bottom line it's simple. As for all the extra stuff? Listen I get it. It's a Carolina board. K is an evil man while Roy and Dean are the epitome of Jesus like behavior. That part of it will never change so to that end Duke and its fans should embrace it but within in reason and to an end. The tripping certainly goes over the line.
 
Not good. Should not have done that, no matter how physical teams are being. Hopefully he stops. That's the bottom line it's simple. As for all the extra stuff? Listen I get it. It's a Carolina board. K is an evil man while Roy and Dean are the epitome of Jesus like behavior. That part of it will never change so to that end Duke and its fans should embrace it but within in reason and to an end. The tripping certainly goes over the line.

"Hopefully he stops?" Really?

First of all, if you've read this board at all this year, you'd know that Roy has routinely benn raked over the coals. Nobody has compared either he or Dean to Jesus. I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume your comments were hyperbolic. If not, get real. But neither would allow the bush league tactics dook players regularly employ. Allen's behavior is just the tip of the proverbial iceberg. I'd very much like to hear your response to these questions.

Do you think K addressed the first kicking incident with Allen? If so, why do you think Allen would turn right around and do it again? Common sense would indicate that he didn't and that Allen wouldn't. So that begs the question, why didn't he?
 
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K is an evil man while Roy and Dean are the epitome of Jesus like behavior.
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First of all, if you've read this board at all this year, you:d know that Roy has routinely benn raked over the coals. Nobody has compared either he or Dean to Jesus. Get real. But neither would allow the bush league tactics dook players regularly employ. Allen's behavior is just the tip of the proverbial iceberg. I'd very much like to hear your response to these questions.

Do you think K addressed the first kicking incident with Allen? If so, why do you think Allen would turn right around and do it again? Common sense would indicate that he didn't and that Allen wouldn't. So that begs the question, why didn't he?


What's wrong with saying hopefully he stops? If he doesn't, and I'm not just talking about tripping but any similar behavior, it could result in suspension, and it will continue to reflect poorly on the program both things I would not like to see happen.


I don't think K addressed it the first time OR if he addressed it he didn't do it effectively. To me it doesn't matter, as the head coach that's your job it's part of what comes with getting paid millions. As for why? I don't know. I can speculate. Maybe K saw some things happen to Allen and K empathized with Allen lashing out? No I don't think K taught him to do it. I don't think K gave a class on it. I don't think K said good job. He probably told him he has to control his emotions and obviously if that's the case it wasn't enough. Maybe he doesn't want to take away from Allens play if he believes Allen plays best when he's being an a hole or fighting back but this is all speculation.



As for the Jesus comment it's an obvious extreme exaggeration on my part to drive home a point. And my point is not that you guys don't criticize Roy or Dean for in game bball decisions but when it comes to character assessments such as class,sportsmanship and genuinely caring about players, let's be honest here, k is viewed as evil, fake, egomaniac, classless with no redeeming qualities at all. Roy and Dean? Sure they may have pissed some of you off with not calling a timeout or guarding the 3 but when it comes to the above referenced qualities they are beyond reproach. I speak the truth or atleast I aspire to. If I'm wrong I own up to it.
 
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I don't think K addressed it the first time OR if he addressed it he didn't do it effectively. To me it doesn't matter, as the head coach that's your job it's part of what comes with getting paid millions. As for the Jesus comment it's an obvious extreme exaggeration on my part to drive home a point. And my point is not that you guys don't criticize Roy or Dean for in game bball decisions but when it comes to character assessments such as class,sportsmanship and genuinely caring about players, let's be honest here, k is viewed as evil, fake, egomaniac, classless with no redeeming qualities at all. Roy and Dean? Sure they may have pissed some of you off with not calling a timeout or guarding the 3 but when it comes to the above referenced qualities they are beyond reproach. I speak the truth or atleast I aspire to. If I'm wrong I own up to it.

So many points to address here, but I will try. First, NO, I think the point here is we ALL know K never did address it. Had he addressed it I doubt Allen would have ever done it the second time. That is the point. Everyone agrees it is something for a coach to address, but K didn't. If he did he didn't address it very well. He sure as hell has no problem addressing perceived wrongs against him, so why not this? I think we all know the answer to that.

And my point is not that you guys don't criticize Roy or Dean for in game bball decisions but when it comes to character assessments such as class,sportsmanship and genuinely caring about players, let's be honest here, k is viewed as evil, fake, egomaniac, classless with no redeeming qualities at all. Roy and Dean? Sure they may have pissed some of you off with not calling a timeout or guarding the 3 but when it comes to the above referenced qualities they are beyond reproach. I speak the truth or atleast I aspire to. If I'm wrong I own up to it.

Well, lets see here. I think we all agree that Dean and Roy both have taken care of players who did stuff wrong (which is rare because they BOTH emphasize character from day one with players) behind the scenes and both went out of their way to not criticize players who were wrong publicly because, even though they did wrong, the coaches both knew handling in privately was best. THAT speaks to their character. Take Rashad McCants for example. Dude is a whack job. He has publicly taken swipes at UNC and Roy and yet did you see Roy come back with anything other than sympathy? No, you didn't. Why? Character and integrity. I am sorry, but K hasn't been so gracious with former players who spoke out about him and his program. He even went to great lengths to downplay what everyone knew was an obvious and blatant forearm to Hansbrough's nose by Gerald Henderthug. Remember the whole "Gerald is a victim here, too" line? How about "There is no excuse for that type of behavior in my program and I will deal with Gerald directly and personally"? Or something similar.

Then there is this year when his teams are losing. Nevermind he has a whole bench of McDonald's All Americans, he makes excuses because of ONE player being hurt. ONE guy. Really? Not once has anyone every heard Dean or Roy make such excuses when their teams were losing. K has publicly thrown players under the bus by name. And you want to say we hold Roy and Dean up higher? Well, duh! That is because the three coaches have EARNED their respective reputations.

Oh, and that dookies defend this crap isn't surprising at all. You dookies seem to relish in the "Us against the world" mentality. Saying the "hatred" is because dook wins with guys people like to hate. No, the hatred comes because of the way K runs his program to do everything he can to cheat the rules just enough to take advantage and teaches players to do things that are so obviously meant to fool people that it is pathetic. You never heard of a flop before dook perfected it. Never had the leg kick on a 3 point jumper to make it look like you were fouled until JJ perfected it. No, K has made a living trying to bend and skirt the rules while Roy and Dean have made a living playing within them. When Dean used the 4 corners to slow things down the NCAA changed the rules specifically to counter that. What did Dean do? Whine? Complain? No, he went out and played within the rules and beat teams like he was doing before.

So don't come here trying to make it sound like we are all sitting here looking at things through Carolina blue glasses. Sorry, that dog won't hunt either. K has earned every bit of scorn just as much as he has praise for his accomplishments. You can't have one without the other, but he will likely go to his grave trying to make sure no one ever remembers the bad.

Just makes me even more glad I am not and never will be a dook fan.
 
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