2020 Presidential Election

[uncboy10]

Well, let's just start with this:


This is just absolutely FALSE! It's either a complete lie, or a display of ignorance of the history of the Jim Crow South (which Dean Smith lived in during his time at UNC) and the attitudes of segregation. It was ABSOLUTELY considered to be "Socialism." The White American South, from Reconstruction to the 1960s (and later, if you're being honest) had no interest in people of African-descent being considered as equal. It was strongly resisted by southern whites and they used, specifically, the fear of communism/socialism and their Bibles to help in the cause of keeping it from happening. They lost, however, thanks to people like Dean Smith.

How 'Communism' Brought Racial Equality To The South

Tell Me More continues its Black History Month series of conversations with a discussion about the role of the Communist Party. It was prominent in the fight for racial equality in the south, specifically Alabama, where segregation was most oppressive. Many courageous activists were communists...

www.npr.org

 

[Grayhead]

Why not? He was a lefty. Aren’t all lefties the enemy according to you?

edit: my bad tooph. Thought you were chicken hunter lol

Wouldn't

You can say ass here. It's a safe space.

Safe is relative here

 

[bluetoe]

Well, let's just start with this:


This is just absolutely FALSE! It's either a complete lie, or a display of ignorance of the history of the Jim Crow South (which Dean Smith lived in during his time at UNC) and the attitudes of segregation. It was ABSOLUTELY considered to be "Socialism." The White American South, from Reconstruction to the 1960s (and later, if you're being honest) had no interest in people of African-descent being considered as equal. It was strongly resisted by southern whites and they used, specifically, the fear of communism/socialism and their Bibles to help in the cause of keeping it from happening. They lost, however, thanks to people like Dean Smith.

How 'Communism' Brought Racial Equality To The South

Tell Me More continues its Black History Month series of conversations with a discussion about the role of the Communist Party. It was prominent in the fight for racial equality in the south, specifically Alabama, where segregation was most oppressive. Many courageous activists were communists...

www.npr.org

you would have been better off posting your jackoff gif. To begin with, what happened to 'pinko commie', the term I was disputing? All of a sudden now we're calling it socialism? Nice retreat. And you have really done it with your overall use of logic here. Let me summarize your thoughts here....commies were involved in social issues. Dean Smith was involved in social issues. Therefor, Dean Smith was a commie.

Way to go, Ricky Retardo, you've really nailed ol' Dean this time. Idiot.

 

[Grayhead]

So during that time period, who originally spread the fear of communism? I would assume our government. Then people applied it to every perceived boogeyman in their lives. Much the same today with woke/racist/homophobe label given. More examples, southerners are backwoods inbred idiots who are all racist, or northerners are all stick up their donkey snob nosed pricks, or Californians are all fag surf boys.

It all originates in places. As to your example, big money was in commie hate

 

[strummingram]

you would have been better off posting your jackoff gif. To begin with, what happened to 'pinko commie', the term I was disputing? All of a sudden now we're calling it socialism? Nice retreat. And you have really done it with your overall use of logic here. Let me summarize your thoughts here....commies were involved in social issues. Dean Smith was involved in social issues. Therefor, Dean Smith was a commie.

Way to go, Ricky Retardo, you've really nailed ol' Dean this time. Idiot.

It's impossible for you to admit you've been proven wrong. I'm used to seeing that from you on here.

 

[Grayhead]

As for Dean, he was a humanitarian more so than liberal by modern definition. Dude had a big heart for people. True leader in every way possible. His personal ideals just leaned to the democratic side more so than Conservative. Possibly libertarian by today's definition. The dem party wasn't as left then as it is now

 

[bluetoe]

yes. let's try to make a point by using the outliers. Nice nazi in the last picture. Couldn't you have included some Klansmen burning a cross? How about a black man hanging from a tree. That would have really proven the point. When strum is done with it, get his pointy dunce cap and sit in the corner.

 

[bluetoe]

It's impossible for you to admit you've been proven wrong. I'm used to seeing that from you on here.

wrong according to your wacko way of seeing things isn't something I bother to admit to much. We're ALL used to your wacko way of seeing things. When you prove me wrong by normal standards, I'll admit it.

 

[strummingram]

wrong according to your wacko way of seeing things isn't something I bother to admit to much. We're ALL used to your wacko way of seeing things. When you prove me wrong by normal standards, I'll admit it.

When there's a universal "normal", it will be the first time, ever. So, your "impossible" record will remain intact.

 

[strummingram]

yes. let's try to make a point by using the outliers. Nice nazi in the last picture. Couldn't you have included some Klansmen burning a cross? How about a black man hanging from a tree. That would have really proven the point. When strum is done with it, get his pointy dunce cap and sit in the corner.

Outliers??? It must be "normal" for you to be historically ignorant. And, you display it proudly. You've got insults, that's about it.

 

[uncboy10]

yes. let's try to make a point by using the outliers. Nice nazi in the last picture. Couldn't you have included some Klansmen burning a cross? How about a black man hanging from a tree. That would have really proven the point. When strum is done with it, get his pointy dunce cap and sit in the corner.

According to you, segregationists never tried to associate integration with communism. I just figured that pictures would be easier for you since you've repeatedly demonstrated your lack of reading comprehension. Way to double down on your ignorance of history though.

You are legitimately one of the stupidest people I've ever seen on any message board, ever.

 

[strummingram]

According to you, segregationists never tried to associate integration with communism. I just figured that pictures would be easier for you since you've repeatedly demonstrated your lack of reading comprehension. Way to double down on your ignorance of history though.

You are legitimately one of the stupidest people I've ever seen on any message board, ever.

The outliers exist NOW! In Dean Smith's day, they were THE WHOLE segregationist movement. He acts like the KKK was some fringe group from the early 20th Century through the 1960s. I suppose their membership went through ups-and-downs, but they were powerful.

It's hilarious to me to see people try and de-liberalize Dean Smith because of their tribal allegiance to UNC-Chapel Hill... which, by the way, is one of the MOST LIBERAL universities in existence. It's practically Berkeley-East.

I have one surviving aunt, who is a 10th-grade high school dropout, full-blown Trump nutjob. She was warning me about my niece going to UNC, or even VCU in Richmond. "Those are democrat schools and they will teach her to be an atheist and to hate America."

 

[uncboy10]

So during that time period, who originally spread the fear of communism? I would assume our government. Then people applied it to every perceived boogeyman in their lives. Much the same today with woke/racist/homophobe label given. More examples, southerners are backwoods inbred idiots who are all racist, or northerners are all stick up their donkey snob nosed pricks, or Californians are all fag surf boys.

It all originates in places. As to your example, big money was in commie hate

I don't disagree with anything you said here. The red scare tactics definitely started somewhere, and the government using it as a justification for the Cold War is pretty much indisputable. I simply shared those images to demonstrate that the fear of 'communism' was absolutely used as an argument against integration. It was not some fringe idea. I have no doubt that many people were manipulated into those views. I can't really speak to 'big money' being involved or not, but people with expendable capital will always use it to try and mold society to their view of how it should be, which usually coincides with other self-interests.

To expand on your point, most of the people who died for the confederacy were not slave owners. They died trying to protect the financial interests of wealthy southern aristocrats. The 'big money' of the day had a strong interest in perpetuating racism because it was a justification for the chattel slavery that helped them line their pockets.

 

[strummingram]

I also probably don't have much in common politically with most of the entertainment industry, but that doesn't stop me from watching movies and listening to music. I don't check out the credentials of the players before I indulge and enjoy. But when their sickening outlooks are made known, I feel free to despise them (the outlooks)....even while enjoying their entertainment product. I know this confuses you, but what doesn't?

It doesn't confuse me at all. I just think you're lying. You were one of the patriots that was pulling against the USA Olympic teams because they were displaying exactly what being an American affords them, and other countries would persecute/imprison/execute them.

 

[strummingram]

As for Dean, he was a humanitarian more so than liberal by modern definition. Dude had a big heart for people. True leader in every way possible. His personal ideals just leaned to the democratic side more so than Conservative. Possibly libertarian by today's definition. The dem party wasn't as left then as it is now

And, the Republican Party wasn't as radically right as it is now. But, I have no doubt that Dean Smith would remain a liberal democrat. Roy Williams is a liberal democrat.

 

[strummingram]

most of the people who died for the confederacy were not slave owners. They died trying to protect the financial interests of wealthy southern aristocrats. The 'big money' of the day had a strong interest in perpetuating racism because it was a justification for the chattel slavery that helped them line their pockets.

They were hoping THEY could be successful slave-owners. And... no matter what happened... they were always higher-up on the social ladder if Negroes were enslaved and held as property. Not to mention the employment they needed to maintain that existed through the plantation system. Being overseers, slave patrols, and other subordinates provided lots of jobs.

But, the wealthy slave owning system exploited the shit out of them, too. And, the Confederate government and military had zero regard for the poor and middle class whites of the South. They stole... requisitioned... property, livestock, crops, valuables, you name it. You think they took from the planter class??? Hell no!!!

 

[heelmanwilm]

Bahahaha!!! So wtf is this bullshit? Biden screws the pooch so you’ve come out of posting retirement ready to revisit the election in some sort of “told you so” thread? HA!!! Let me just say this. Loud and clear. I didn’t vote for the human garbage orange turd and haven’t regretted it one fuking second. When Biden manufactures a mind numbingly idiotic fuk nut world wide conspiracy theory to blame for his failures in an attempt to overturn an election and his followers fall for it out of sheer stupidity and storm the capitol to lynch the Vice President call me and we’ll revisit. Til then he can shit the fukin bed in ten Afghanistans for all I care and I won’t second guess myself not voting for the pos. Put that option on your poll.

another shot of patron please

 

[strummingram]

Bahahaha!!! So wtf is this bullshit? Biden screws the pooch so you’ve come out of posting retirement ready to revisit the election in some sort of “told you so” thread? HA!!! Let me just say this. Loud and clear. I didn’t vote for the human garbage orange turd and haven’t regretted it one fuking second. When Biden manufactures a mind numbingly idiotic fuk nut world wide conspiracy theory to blame for his failures in an attempt to overturn an election and his followers fall for it out of sheer stupidity and storm the capitol to lynch the Vice President call me and we’ll revisit. Til then he can shit the fukin bed in ten Afghanistans for all I care and I won’t second guess myself not voting for the pos. Put that option on your poll.

another shot of patron please

You gotta stop holding back and let us know what you're really thinking.

 

[uncboy10]

You gotta stop holding back and let us know what you're really thinking.

I think he's being ignored by Archer anyways...

lol

 

[uncboy10]

They were hoping THEY could be successful slave-owners. And... no matter what happened... they were always higher-up on the social ladder if Negroes were enslaved and held as property. Not to mention the employment they needed to maintain that existed through the plantation system. Being overseers, slave patrols, and other subordinates provided lots of jobs.

But, the wealthy slave owning system exploited the shit out of them, too. And, the Confederate government and military had zero regard for the poor and middle class whites of the South. They stole... requisitioned... property, livestock, crops, valuables, you name it. You think they took from the planter class??? Hell no!!!

Sounds vaguely familiar to people opposing anything that benefits working class people because one day their imagined business will need cheap labor. And how can you shit on people who flip burgers if they can afford to pay their rent? Somebody has to struggle to make them feel virtuous for being able to make ends meet.

 

[bluetoe]

According to you, segregationists never tried to associate integration with communism. I just figured that pictures would be easier for you since you've repeatedly demonstrated your lack of reading comprehension. Way to double down on your ignorance of history though.

You are legitimately one of the stupidest people I've ever seen on any message board, ever.

I guess that's what I'd say if I was constantly getting my ass kicked by someone here.

When one poses an opinion or tries to state a fact, he knows that there is always the probability that an opponent will rely on rhetoric. or wordplay or the unstated to counter him. That's you. Just because I didn't say there are exceptions, you choose to point out the exceptions. Just because I didn't point out that I was talking about our area, the area where Dean Smith's leanings would be more likely to be known, you choose to show your idiotic pictures that aren't applicable. .The exceptions prove the rule, and you're pretty much just a dumb, disingenuous, one-way POS.

I was around at that time, and fully aware of what was going on. You couldn't help but be aware. I witnessed base racism that would sicken one, but it was all words. I never saw any action taken against any individual. Segregation was hard to give up simply because it was an institution. People knew what was right, and they in general did NOT sympathize with groups like the Klan or the rural characters who wallowed in their own ignorance. But it's hard to give up what you're used to and to face drastic change.

The foolish who were NOT there read an article here and there and think they know what they're talking about, and they almost always try to insinuate some evil involved. My small school was integrated while I was there and no one whatsoever raised a hand in protest. Some kids made friends and others just just kept to themselves. But no one tried to harass or make the new black students unwelcome.

I heard Jesse Helms when he remarked that they ought to put a fence around Chapel Hill because it was a leftist zoo. I scoffed at him then, but let me see a show of hands of those who agree with that sentiment now. EXCLUDING those holding extreme views, no one at that time would call someone a communist simply because they promoted integration and opposed the death penalty. That is NOT saying that communists were not involved in stirring things up. It's irrelevant that communists were trying to stir things up because stirring things up is what commies do...DUH. That commies were involved in protests and in general stirring things up actually HURT the cause of integration, simply because what people actually hated and feared was communism...DUH again.

I am for the death penalty, but I don't think of someone as a communist because they oppose it. I just think they are stupid....like you. Too bad you aren't intelligent enough to understand that your intelligence has limitations. In your case, severe ones.

 

[bluetoe]

It doesn't confuse me at all. I just think you're lying. You were one of the patriots that was pulling against the USA Olympic teams because they were displaying exactly what being an American affords them, and other countries would persecute/imprison/execute them.

you are not only stupid, you are dishonest. I did NOT pull against our teams. I expressed satisfaction that those who didn't keep their minds on winning and properly representing us got what they were asking for. I was doing what being an American afforded me, and that is EXACTLY what those assholes were disrespecting.

"Son, you got to do better than this"---Lawrence Taylor

 

[Stever45]

You really don’t see how bad Trump was do you?

No I really don’t!

 

[dadika13]

No I really don’t!

 

[strummingram]

I guess that's what I'd say if I was constantly getting my ass kicked by someone here.

When one poses an opinion or tries to state a fact, he knows that there is always the probability that an opponent will rely on rhetoric. or wordplay or the unstated to counter him. That's you. Just because I didn't say there are exceptions, you choose to point out the exceptions. Just because I didn't point out that I was talking about our area, the area where Dean Smith's leanings would be more likely to be known, you choose to show your idiotic pictures that aren't applicable. .The exceptions prove the rule, and you're pretty much just a dumb, disingenuous, one-way POS.

I was around at that time, and fully aware of what was going on. You couldn't help but be aware. I witnessed base racism that would sicken one, but it was all words. I never saw any action taken against any individual. Segregation was hard to give up simply because it was an institution. People knew what was right, and they in general did NOT sympathize with groups like the Klan or the rural characters who wallowed in their own ignorance. But it's hard to give up what you're used to and to face drastic change.

The foolish who were NOT there read an article here and there and think they know what they're talking about, and they almost always try to insinuate some evil involved. My small school was integrated while I was there and no one whatsoever raised a hand in protest. Some kids made friends and others just just kept to themselves. But no one tried to harass or make the new black students unwelcome.

I heard Jesse Helms when he remarked that they ought to put a fence around Chapel Hill because it was a leftist zoo. I scoffed at him then, but let me see a show of hands of those who agree with that sentiment now. EXCLUDING those holding extreme views, no one at that time would call someone a communist simply because they promoted integration and opposed the death penalty. That is NOT saying that communists were not involved in stirring things up. It's irrelevant that communists were trying to stir things up because stirring things up is what commies do...DUH. That commies were involved in protests and in general stirring things up actually HURT the cause of integration, simply because what people actually hated and feared was communism...DUH again.

I am for the death penalty, but I don't think of someone as a communist because they oppose it. I just think they are stupid....like you. Too bad you aren't intelligent enough to understand that your intelligence has limitations. In your case, severe ones.

 

[uncboy10]

I guess that's what I'd say if I was constantly getting my ass kicked by someone here.

When one poses an opinion or tries to state a fact, he knows that there is always the probability that an opponent will rely on rhetoric. or wordplay or the unstated to counter him. That's you. Just because I didn't say there are exceptions, you choose to point out the exceptions. Just because I didn't point out that I was talking about our area, the area where Dean Smith's leanings would be more likely to be known, you choose to show your idiotic pictures that aren't applicable. .The exceptions prove the rule, and you're pretty much just a dumb, disingenuous, one-way POS.

I was around at that time, and fully aware of what was going on. You couldn't help but be aware. I witnessed base racism that would sicken one, but it was all words. I never saw any action taken against any individual. Segregation was hard to give up simply because it was an institution. People knew what was right, and they in general did NOT sympathize with groups like the Klan or the rural characters who wallowed in their own ignorance. But it's hard to give up what you're used to and to face drastic change.

The foolish who were NOT there read an article here and there and think they know what they're talking about, and they almost always try to insinuate some evil involved. My small school was integrated while I was there and no one whatsoever raised a hand in protest. Some kids made friends and others just just kept to themselves. But no one tried to harass or make the new black students unwelcome.

I heard Jesse Helms when he remarked that they ought to put a fence around Chapel Hill because it was a leftist zoo. I scoffed at him then, but let me see a show of hands of those who agree with that sentiment now. EXCLUDING those holding extreme views, no one at that time would call someone a communist simply because they promoted integration and opposed the death penalty. That is NOT saying that communists were not involved in stirring things up. It's irrelevant that communists were trying to stir things up because stirring things up is what commies do...DUH. That commies were involved in protests and in general stirring things up actually HURT the cause of integration, simply because what people actually hated and feared was communism...DUH again.

I am for the death penalty, but I don't think of someone as a communist because they oppose it. I just think they are stupid....like you. Too bad you aren't intelligent enough to understand that your intelligence has limitations. In your case, severe ones.

 

[bluetoe]

No I really don’t!

and I am still waiting for his reply explaining just how terrible Trump was.

exactly what I was expecting from the dimwit who never has an answer. At least you outed yourself as the real moron. Congrats.

 

[prlyles]

It's impossible for you to admit you've been proven wrong. I'm used to seeing that from you on here.

/thread. Being able to admit you’re wrong says a lot about a person’s character.

 

[bluetoe]

/thread. Being able to admit you’re wrong says a lot about a person’s character.

I guess you never have to admit you're wrong if you refuse to respond to direct challenges over something that YOU brought up. What does that say about your character? The word chickenshit comes to mind

 

[bluetoe]

I don't disagree with anything you said here. The red scare tactics definitely started somewhere, and the government using it as a justification for the Cold War is pretty much indisputable. I simply shared those images to demonstrate that the fear of 'communism' was absolutely used as an argument against integration. It was not some fringe idea. I have no doubt that many people were manipulated into those views. I can't really speak to 'big money' being involved or not, but people with expendable capital will always use it to try and mold society to their view of how it should be, which usually coincides with other self-interests.

To expand on your point, most of the people who died for the confederacy were not slave owners. They died trying to protect the financial interests of wealthy southern aristocrats. The 'big money' of the day had a strong interest in perpetuating racism because it was a justification for the chattel slavery that helped them line their pockets.

let me make sure I understand this. The government wanted a cold war so it started using red scare tactics to facilitate one? And you call me stupid?

And as for the rest of it, the question wasn't over associating communists with the de-segregation movement, it was whether someone would be called a commie just because he was for de-segregation and against the death penalty.

The pictures you posted were off-base, and when anyone tries to respond with an answer to you, you hide behind a tl;dr kind of thing.

If one took yours and @strummingram 's brains and put them together you'd both still be halfwits.

 

[strummingram]

let me make sure I understand this.

You don't.

 

[dadika13]

let me make sure I understand this. The government wanted a cold war so it started using red scare tactics to facilitate one? And you call me stupid?

The pictures you posted were off-base, and when anyone tries to respond with an answer to you, you hide behind a tl;dr kind of thing.

The government didn’t “want” a Cold War, but even by early 1943 we knew one was coming if we won the war, whether they liked it or not. There’s a good story in a diary of one of the naive American scientists working on the bomb where he questioned why security was so ridiculously tight in regards to Communists, who are our allies.

But post 1945 the government (and Hollywood, and teachers, etc) absolutely used scare tactics to drive the general public’s perception of anything Soviet. Are you actually debating this?

Those pics are real and they are absolutely things that those opposed to integration used as propaganda. Dean Smith’s own peers.

Are you also trying to argue that?

This is weird.

 

[strummingram]

He's really gifted at TRYING to argue.

 

[chickenhunter]

It's impossible for you to admit you've been proven wrong. I'm used to seeing that from you on here.

Like looking in a mirror.

 

[gunslingerdick]

I think anyone trying to connect today's left to yesteryear's mainstream progressives is a legit moron and I don't give two shits is they consider themselves a history aficionado or not.

 

[dadika13]

I think anyone trying to connect today's left to yesteryear's mainstream progressives is a legit moron and I don't give two shits is they consider themselves a history aficionado or not.

GFY

 

[gunslingerdick]

^ lol

No one was ever offended by a statement that wasn't intended for them.

 

[dadika13]

^ lol

No one was ever offended by a statement that wasn't intended for them.

I mean, the “consider themselves a history aficionado” part is pretty clear. I definitely consider myself one. Whether or not I am one, eh, debatable.

And the GFY is always said tongue in cheek here, at least by me. I’m not easily offended, that was said with a smile.

 

[bluetoe]

The government didn’t “want” a Cold War, but even by early 1943 we knew one was coming if we won the war, whether they liked it or not. There’s a good story in a diary of one of the naive American scientists working on the bomb where he questioned why security was so ridiculously tight in regards to Communists, who are our allies.

But post 1945 the government (and Hollywood, and teachers, etc) absolutely used scare tactics to drive the general public’s perception of anything Soviet. Are you actually debating this?

Those pics are real and they are absolutely things that those opposed to integration used as propaganda. Dean Smith’s own peers.

Are you also trying to argue that?

This is weird.

dude, seriously, don't lump yourself in with the usual idiots here. If you can read, you can easily see what I was disputing. Our government did not want a cold war as the dolt I replied to indicated. But once there was a cold war, which save for outright war was inevitable, of course our government used whatever tactics it deemed necessary to alert citizens to the danger of the Communists' agenda and to justify what we would be doing to combat the spread of communism. You and the usual dimwits make that sound like some sinister plot. You don't find fault with our government putting the bad mouth on Covid do you? Is that some pernicious undertaking by our government, even though the danger is sometimes overstressed yet significantly unheeded? Maybe you and the usuals think that the government wants there to be a pandemic, just so that it can use scare tactics...which is exactly what the idiot I was responding to implied about the cold war.

If there's one thing that should be understood almost intuitively, it's the complacency of the American citizenry. Here we are with a daily discussion about exactly that and while we are goading people to pay attention to what the government is telling them, some of us are so stupid that they think some similar effort is an inexplicable government conspiracy to bring about a cold war.

So far as those pictures; again, learn to read. I contended that no one at that time...no normal person...would call Dean Smith or anyone else a commie just because he was for desegregation or was against the death penalty. On that basis alone, there would be no reason to believe such a stance was anything but a liberal one. As I pointed out, communists involved themselves with protests and those associating with those commies could of course have been thought of as commies as they protested along with them or because they were instigated by them. Many people wanted no part of desegregation, there's no question about that. But most people also wanted no part of communism, and just because sometimes the two were sometimes entertwined you are fooling yourself if you think that anyone who was against segregation was thought to be a commie on that basis alone.

The pictures are irrelevant to the actual argument at hand, but the ignorant and naive among us look at a picture or read an article about the past and think they see the whole picture. It appalls me to see strummingram and uncboy consistently distort history into the pre-conceived notions that only their ill-informed and twisted minds could come up with. They are punks with a lot to say about that which they know little of. Be better than that.

 

[bluetoe]

I mean, the “consider themselves a history aficionado” part is pretty clear. I definitely consider myself one. Whether or not I am one, eh, debatable.

And the GFY is always said tongue in cheek here, at least by me. I’m not easily offended, that was said with a smile.

GFY