2025 recruiting....
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Great ideas and these are exactly the sort of ideas that the NIL was meant to lead to…. If people buy a “Cadeau” shirt then Elliot should benefit from the sale.
I’m sure he’s not happy…. Losing recruits due to a screwed up system must suck.
But as I say, the current numbers being bandied about for recruits is, in my opinion, financially unsustainable…. The only reason BYU can think of offering $4m+ to AJ Dybansta is because the owner of the Utah Jazz has given them a blank cheque… but will he do that every year? Maybe, maybe not, but it’s very hard to budget based on donations alone.
Well, it looks like you’ve found a job for yourself! Hit the phones and get out there drumming up donations!Only 967 followers for UNC's official NIL. Seems like engaging the millions of UNC fans across the world should be a priority.
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Just curious is there someone out there better than TJ we could hire going forward or would it matter ...
I would argue we couldn't hire much worse. We don't have the money to get the recruits Hubert wants, and there's been basically no effort to sustain engagement from the UNC fans across the world. Every aspect of our NIL failures falls at Beisner's feet.
That's not true at all. TJ Beisner was being run out of Lexington when we tossed him a lifeline. He was one of many staff members on the chopping block as the Calipari era was crashing down.
Kentucky is now doing far, far better with NIL since Beisner left.
The proof is in the pudding. While Hubert Davis is telling his donors we don't have enough NIL money to compete, Kentucky is in the process of buying 4 recruits that Hubert offered in 2025.
If he was run out of UK .. I think the same needs to happen at UNC
There were several uk fans complaining about their NIL when he was there. I was pretty shocked to see him hired by Carolina given the state of uk’s NIL at the time.
I think you are assuming that there are that many unc fans that care enough about paying players to keep up with the crap show. I’m torn, on one hand I’m done with sports in general because no one is worth millions to play a sport , much less in college. All my opinions of course. Bigger fish to fry and a whole lot of more important things in this world than sports, even UNC sports. On the other, it’s hard to see UNC struggle to keep up with everyone paying. Still a passion but it’s lost its luster for sure. Honestly it sucks to even type these words but true for me nonetheless.
There are countless UNC fans out there and tons of creative ways to engage those fans. There's no reason UNC's NIL collective shouldn't be at the forefront when it comes to engaging the fans.
Ahh, there was an age when people volunteered to raise funds for a cause because they thought the cause worthy enough….
Maybe I’m just old fashioned, or maybe not enough people believe it’s worthwhile to donate millions of dollars to pay for unproven mercenaries who’ll unlikely ever attain a degree.
And even if there are enough like minded people, how often can you keep tapping them if the results don’t come?
Agree 100%.
NIL was put in place to reward college athletes for the profile they accumulated whilst playing at college, not to create bidding wars for entitled, unproven high schoolers.
Good point. Better to just keep paying a guy a couple hundred thousand dollars a year to do an awful job leading our NIL, and make absolutely no effort to engage the countless UNC fans.
It's not like UNC fans would ever want to buy signed jerseys of current or former players, or go to meet and greets, or attend a practice, or attend a dinner with the team, or attend a fantasy camp... no we should definitely not raise NIL money by offering opportunities like these.
We should definitely just adopt the policy of "I'm too old to change" and make absolutely no effort.
What you’re really asking is “are there really enough people out there without a life who live and die with UNC sports AND have the expendable income to waste on something as trivial and inconsequential as college sports that they’d give money to get better players (who are already receiving hundreds of thousands of dollars worth in education/training/etc.) so their favorite sports team can win more?”
Interesting question. The answer is sadly, “probably”.
If that’s your take on my comment then we’ll leave it at that.
I just hope you devote as much time to doing good and making positive change as you do to obsessing over something you can’t do anything about.
With all the complaining he does re: our lack of NIL support, he should be signing over his paycheck every week to the cause. Of course he wants the big money alumni to ante up so he can continue to live vicariously through UNC sports. Most fans don’t have the inclination nor the financial ability to pay the kids more money than most fans wil ever see in a lifetime. All just to play a game.
Your last sentence is a realization that I’ve came to grips with Arch.
This is exactly what I was in favor of! I think it is obvious that an American should be able to earn money based on their own hard work, name, image, etc. There was nothing in the run up to this new age that let peeps know it would devolve into direct payment for play! Once again, the NCAA and idiotic lawmakers with no understanding of college sports have made a bad situation worse! Once the system is regulated and they decide whether the players are employees or athletes repping the U, the system can be repaired! Fix this system and the stupid transfer rules right now if you have any teeth NCAA!
There is an equitable path and I am ecstatic that UNC refuses to dive into the muck for short term gratification! Keep working to do the right thing Hubs and UNC AND real fans will keep supporting you for it!
(not aimed at those who justifiably feel disillusioned by sports, but at those who are angry because we won't sell out for mercenaries)
WHY would anyone forgo cheering and being happy with the wonderful team we have NOW, just to assume we will suck later?????
So you're just going to keep ignoring the fact that Hubert Davis just criticized a bunch of UNC's biggest donors for not giving him the NIL funds he needs to get the recruits he wants?
Hubert isn't "refusing to dive in the muck." Hubert wants to dive in the muck. Hubert simply doesn't have the NIL funds he needs. Which is why he literally just chewed out donors in the past week.
He is not the Head Man of Old Well Management that is Kevin Rice…
Couple things here…1 UNC has 28 sports supported by the boosters…That is a lot when you consider only 2 sports make money while everything else loses millions and that number is getting ready to increase with the addition of the West Coast teams and SMU…
Also UNC is getting ready to have a coaching search and the hiring of a new Football Coach in December…More money needed from the boosters…Also the plan has been put in place to either build a new basketball arena or fix up the old one….More money from guess who???
Only so much money to go around and what these basketball players are asking for is unreal…All the money for basketball was spent on this 25 team…
You can’t keep going back to the same boosters year after year asking for millions…No idiot is going to do that…I don’t blame them 1 bit….Just like this Denis kid and what he is asking for money wise for the 62nd ranked player is nuts…A kid looked at like a project and may not play meaningful minutes until his JR year no thank you…
And people wonder why a young guy like Bennet would want to step away from this sh!tshow. Go back to freshmen being ineligible. See if someone wants to pay a stud hs player millions on the chance he comes back after one year. Let the 5 stars go overseas or G league.
I hardly recognize the game I grew up loving., NIL and the portal have just made it NBA-lite.
I hardly recognize the game I grew up loving., NIL and the portal have just made it NBA-lite.
Bub, I FULLY support NIL as it was initially intended, schools were not supposed to be involved at all in NIL, recall Hubert initially did not talk about NIL with recruits, the school didn't. NIL was not supposed to be about paying a kid to play for your preferred school. It was supposed to be about endorsement deals, like Bacot had with Jimmy's Seafood. After all, that is what started this whole NIL deal, Obannon's likeness in his UCLA jersey on the cover of a video game and Obannon got nothing for it. We then saw the birth of NIL agents, the guys that negotiated for a fee those NIL deals. Then all the sudden, out of the blue a couple of programs began to publicly make pay to play offers and nothing was done to stop it. Every program had no choice but to hop on board the pay to play schemes while the NCAA sat on their hands, cashing their pay checks, while doing absolutely nothing. And now kids don't even visit you unless you are in the NIL ball park of what they feel their services are worth with absolutely ZERO governor?
I have spent a life time loving college sports, especially basketball and football and sadly neither are what they were or should be. As long as there is such a thing called UNC basketball or UNC football I will still root for them to win, such love does not die easy. But have to admit, this is heart breaking, it will never be the same...
Seems dook is once again gonna end up with a top three class if not the top. while it seems we are having to either beg recruits to come or take what’s left over. Unfreaking believable
Now Carolina has supposedly backed off Denis. We’re an absolute joke. Excuse after excuse. We’re running a clown show and Hubert Davis is the head clown. There’s no way I could’ve recruited worse in the 2025 high school class. He should be absolutely blasted. Unbelievable incompetence. Recruiting like we’re Georgia Tech. Maybe next season we can join the league with Western Carolina. One of the biggest brands and college basketball programs in the country can’t compete,Lol. There’s some people in Chapel Hill that should be fired.
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To be totally honest, IF UNC has in fact backed away from Denis, I am not upset by the news. I was fine with Dixon OR Denis but we now have Dixon, I wouldn't take Denis now, I would rather shop the portal for the spot and save the NIL for that. I am just not sold on Denis, as a player, some potential for sure but I see him as a project that is likely to take 2yrs before he is able to contribute consistently and I suspect he transfers before then.
This years recruiting rivals our years under investigation and may be worse. Pretty pitiful and their seems to be plenty of blame to spread around.
Next year has the possibility of being brutal if Cadeau, Ian and Drake turn pro with the definite loss of RJ. Recruiting should have been amplified given this possibility.
Next year has the possibility of being brutal if Cadeau, Ian and Drake turn pro with the definite loss of RJ. Recruiting should have been amplified given this possibility.
You guys need to step away from the ledge, Hubert knows this is UNC basketball & therefore a big ass deal. I’m pretty sure he & the staff have a plan….& please spare me the Mike Tyson quote.
Denis reportedly wants $600,000…even if we can’t afford that, he’s not even worth 1/4 of that! That’s why Hubert backed off..I agree NIL is a problem right now, but a mid 4 star that might transfer after a year doesn’t deserve that!
And this is where I say I don’t mind if UNC whiffs… NO unproven freshman is worth that much.
If anything, I’d prefer UNC to pay more in the portal than for potential non-performers
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