Any chance the move Marcus to PG & start Hicks?

[UNC71-00]

He was the 1 last year when he had the same problems.

Why is everyone sooo revisionist.

Its not like he went from the 1 to the 2 and he dropped off the map.

He went from.the 1 to the 1 and dropped off then 1 to the 2 and continued his drop.

I mean, you could have tons more theories which make more sense based on the facts than him moving to the 2.

For example, saying Joel Berry came to campus and dogged Paige in practice and broke his confidence causing him to regress would make more sense with the facts than him moving to the 2.

Or he never recovered from his injury. Or he learned bad shot mechanics while injured.

Or he was a 1 season wonder.

Or etc etc.

Every reason I listed fits more with the stats which are facts than him moving to the 2.

Saying he moved to the 2 is changing the narrative to make an excuse.

You think they don't ever have him run the 1 in practice? Obviously he isn't steph curry from the 1 in practice or the change would have happened a long time ago.

Your position doesn't change your shooting mechanics, decisions, and ability to score on the drive.

You are correct, it could be any of those things. So why not ask MP what he thinks?

Oh wait- here's a quote from the man himself.
“Today was the first day all year where I played significant minutes at the point guard,” Paige said. “Our coaches talked about shuffling it to where I think when Nate is in the game, I’m the point guard – just have the ball in my hands to help me feel more comfortable.”

Paige said playing more point guard “helped me out a lot.”

It's from the rag in Rawlee, so I'm not going to link it- just google Marcus Paige Point Guard and it's #2 on the list.

 

[tarh33ls]

Your position does change who you guard and who guards you in many cases. With a small backcourt like Marcus and Joel, Marcus is often given the larger, stronger SG to guard, as we saw in the 'Cuse game where he was often forced to guard Gbinije. Last year JPT was able to guard the 2 a lot when we played him and Jackson together and the year prior to that, Leslie played major minutes when he came back.

 

[Hark_The_Sound_2010]

You are correct, it could be any of those things. So why not ask MP what he thinks?

Oh wait- here's a quote from the man himself.
“Today was the first day all year where I played significant minutes at the point guard,” Paige said. “Our coaches talked about shuffling it to where I think when Nate is in the game, I’m the point guard – just have the ball in my hands to help me feel more comfortable.”

Paige said playing more point guard “helped me out a lot.”

It's from the rag in Rawlee, so I'm not going to link it- just google Marcus Paige Point Guard and it's #2 on the list.

Wait a second, are you implying that Marcus knows what is/isn't helpful/problematic to his game, more so than posters on this forum?

 

[UNC71-00]

Wait a second, are you implying that Marcus knows what is/isn't helpful/problematic to his game, more so than posters on this forum?

Most poasters. Not all. We have a few who are so brilliant that Greg Popovich calls them for advice.

 

[coryfly]

Yeah know I saw the same thing! It was per 40 minutes, but yep. They are different players though. I like what they both bring and don't advocate changing who is starting right now with the exception of Hicks.

Nate has really improved on both sides of the ball IMO. He still gets a little loose at times but Berry and Paige both turn it over as well, just in different ways. Their PER 40 stats are very close. Usage would probably bring Britt's down some but I think he should be commended for being much better than people give him credit for. He is also always willing to at least try and penetrate and I'm a fan of that aggressive side of him. It is encouraging for next year since he should be able to spell Berry and be really effective. Also, if Berry happened to get injured (hopefully that doesn't happen obviously) or hits some foul trouble I would feel really good about Nate.

 

[UNC71-00]

Nate has really improved on both sides of the ball IMO. He still gets a little loose at times but Berry and Paige both turn it over as well, just in different ways. Their PER 40 stats are very close. Usage would probably bring Britt's down some but I think he should be commended for being much better than people give him credit for. He is also always willing to at least try and penetrate and I'm a fan of that aggressive side of him. It is encouraging for next year since he should be able to spell Berry and be really effective. Also, if Berry happened to get injured (hopefully that doesn't happen obviously) or hits some foul trouble I would feel really good about Nate.

I friggin love Nate. I'm not saying he should start over Kenny Smith, Phil Ford, Ty Lawson or Joel Berry, but he has a nice game and comes hard every night.

 

[imajericho]

You are correct, it could be any of those things. So why not ask MP what he thinks?

Oh wait- here's a quote from the man himself.
“Today was the first day all year where I played significant minutes at the point guard,” Paige said. “Our coaches talked about shuffling it to where I think when Nate is in the game, I’m the point guard – just have the ball in my hands to help me feel more comfortable.”

Paige said playing more point guard “helped me out a lot.”

It's from the rag in Rawlee, so I'm not going to link it- just google Marcus Paige Point Guard and it's #2 on the list.

Man... he felt so comfortable. Glad he felt so comfortable going 2-10 instead of feeling uncomfortable.

It doesn't matter. His mechanics are the problem. Until he fixes them it does not matter where he plays.

 

[UNC71-00]

Man... he felt so comfortable. Glad he felt so comfortable going 2-10 instead of feeling uncomfortable.

It doesn't matter. His mechanics are the problem. Until he fixes them it does not matter where he plays.

It's not his mechanics, it is between his ears.

Or have you noticed mechanical issues with his shot which can be corrected?

 

[BillyL]

Man... he felt so comfortable. Glad he felt so comfortable going 2-10 instead of feeling uncomfortable.
It doesn't matter. His mechanics are the problem. Until he fixes them it does not matter where he plays.

I think he can fix them faster playing point guard . . my guess is that he'd like to have the ball in his hands more, whether to gain rhythm or whatever. The whole goal here is to assist Marcus so he gets to that point, the kids has done all that has ever been asked of him and more. He was recruited as a PG and thats his natural position, its not that difficult to figure out. You probably bought into all that message board talk last summer about how Paige is a college level 2 guard, which he plainly is not.

What are your reasons for not wanting to give it a try . . ?

Marcus at the 2 is a failed experiment, for a lot of us its time to experiment in another direction.

 

[Hark_The_Sound_2010]

Man... he felt so comfortable. Glad he felt so comfortable going 2-10 instead of feeling uncomfortable.

It doesn't matter. His mechanics are the problem. Until he fixes them it does not matter where he plays.

Well, I'm glad he only got PG minutes when Nate was in, and not when Berry was in. I'm not sure we could have won without all the assists that Berry got in that Cuse game. Each and every one was vital.

All 0 of them.

 

[DSouthr]

Post of the month.

Paige can play ANY position and if his shot selection continues he will have the same poor results. Also,what about all those crafty lay-ups he made as a sophomore that he is not making now?....Oh wait! He makes those if he was playing the point this year. Elizabeth, I'm coming to join you honey!

To me his shot looks a good bit flatter than it was as a frosh or soph, I absolutely agree he is rushing it and taking from longer out. Seems to me his shots are mostly missing long and that does tend to happen when you flatten your shot out.

 

[mikeirbyusa]

To me his shot looks a good bit flatter than it was as a frosh or soph, I absolutely agree he is rushing it and taking from longer out. Seems to me his shots are mostly missing long and that does tend to happen when you flatten your shot out.

Read where somebody else thought he had to much arc! At any rate, here's to Marcus coming around for the ACC & NCAA tournaments and BEAT DUKE!

 

[tarh33ls]

He belongs at PG of course but how do you sit Berry, who has been so good for us? Our hands are sort of tied here.

 

[Grayhead]

Marcus lost his mojo at the same time he broke the record. He also tied for consecutive games at the same time. I had a nagging feeling he was trying a bit to hard to do that. He may have broke himself forcing things. His shooting touch went from hot to ice cold in what seemed like one game. As stated before, our season rest on Paige performing like we know he can. If thateans pg duties for him then so be it. He has lived with that pressure before. As long as he is absent from play, we will struggle. Doesn't reallyatter what berry does to remedy that. Everyone feeds off of Paige. Berry's turn is next year. You role the dive with the senior. We give him the keys and let the cards fall where they may.

 

[mikeirbyusa]

I friggin love Nate. I'm not saying he should start over Kenny Smith, Phil Ford, Ty Lawson or Joel Berry, but he has a nice game and comes hard every night.

Nate is vastly improved, looking forward to his Sr Season.

 

[mikeirbyusa]

He belongs at PG of course but how do you sit Berry, who has been so good for us? Our hands are sort of tied here.

Berry moves to the 2.

 

[imajericho]

It's not his mechanics, it is between his ears.

Or have you noticed mechanical issues with his shot which can be corrected?

He is leaning to a side when shooting mostly. Isn't squaring up properly. Some is confidence for sure. A lot of it. But, if he shot squared up and not from 5+ feet deeper than the line he would make a lot more.

 

[imajericho]

If Berry moves exclusively to the 2 and Oaige to the 1, we will be bounced by the sweet 16.

If you feel you owe Paige to the point of costinf a chance at the ship, so be it. I don't. Is Paige a great person? Sure. Is he so great we arrange the team around him? No.

 

[Bubspub88]

When Paige first returned from injury he was playing sg and the offense was clicking. I realize the opposition was much weaker but it doesn't seem like Paige ant into his funk until sometime after his 30 point game against FSU. While playing him in some stretches at point may help to get a rhythm for him I think the Heels need Berry at the point to be playing deep into March. I still think his shot will return, hopefully starting with a huge game next time out.

 

[superstar57]

If we get bounced in sweet 16 it will not be about a move to PG by Paige, but the fact we do not have a true SG.

People are seeming to miss the point that changing Paige back to PG will miracuasly fix his shot, what it does do is increase our team production. Again Berry is a very good PG for us, but Paige is a better PG.

 

[BillyL]

If Berry moves exclusively to the 2 and Oaige to the 1, we will be bounced by the sweet 16.

If you feel you owe Paige to the point of costinf a chance at the ship, so be it. I don't. Is Paige a great person? Sure. Is he so great we arrange the team around him? No.

LOL

Yeah, having Paige at the point really weakens the team *smfh* . . at least you got it right saying he's a great person.

Paige is also the better point guard. Case closed.

Go back and look at the last 17 seconds of the dOOk game. Your wonder boy point guard Berry casually walks the ball over to the bench assuming Roy wants a time-out, he doesn't and waves Berry on to push the ball. A waste of approximately 9 seconds because Berry lolly-gagged his arse up to and over the half-court line, just because he forgot what Roy trained him to do and that is push the f*cking ball. He alone wasted over half the time left on the clock after the dOOk made field goal. What was this 3 time Florida POY thinking . . ?
Paige doesn't make that kind of a mental mistake.

End result: a Joel Berry air ball to end the dOOk game. He was no 'floor-leader' that night . .

If we get bounced in sweet 16 it will not be about a move to PG by Paige, but the fact we do not have a true SG.

People are seeming to miss the point that changing Paige back to PG will miracuasly fix his shot, what it does do is increase our team production. Again Berry is a very good PG for us, but Paige is a better PG.

Exactly.

 

[coryfly]

If we get bounced in sweet 16 it will not be about a move to PG by Paige, but the fact we do not have a true SG.

People are seeming to miss the point that changing Paige back to PG will miracuasly fix his shot, what it does do is increase our team production. Again Berry is a very good PG for us, but Paige is a better PG.

Correct. It isn't just about him getting his shot back, though people who dismiss it as impossible (that it could at least help) are simply not correct, just as I would not be correct if I said it would definitely help his shot. We do not know for sure. We do know he is more comfortable there. We know that. Like you said, it is more about whether or not you think it would help the team. Obviously, the idea that him moving to PG would automatically have us bounced by the S16 is an opinion, as there is nothing at all that suggests that would happen. Having two PGs is great. Having the better and more experienced player play that position isn't some ridiculous concept. It also isn't a knock on the other guy, who has been fantastic for us this year. Roy moved Paige to the 2 because he felt he could handle it better. He was also the more respected shooter coming in. That all may still be true. IMO, Berry isn't so fragile or so poor of a player that he couldn't handle it. Neither is Nate.

 

[UNC71-00]

He is leaning to a side when shooting mostly. Isn't squaring up properly. Some is confidence for sure. A lot of it. But, if he shot squared up and not from 5+ feet deeper than the line he would make a lot more.

Is he doing that at the free throw line too? Because he is 10% worse at the line this year than his historical average.

 

[coryfly]

Is he doing that at the free throw line too? Because he is 10% worse at the line this year than his historical average.

Yeah, I don't think that is a consistent issue. At times he may not be squared. Mostly his shot looks the same. Honestly, against Syracuse it was mainly just long, not off to either side.

 

[tarh33ls]

Berry moves to the 2.

Yeah but just seems like Roy believe that Marcus can play the 2 and Joel can't...who knows? If Marcus just shoots at a decent clip then this conversation is moot. Let's hope he can bounce back. I really don't think his sophomore year was a fluke because he played pretty well last season, even with his injuries and when he played some 2. Got to believe he will get it together, made some nice plays against 'Cuse, if he's not shooting well but getting people involved then we can't complain much. Plenty of college and NBA teams put out 2 PG lineups, Marcus will get it together.

 

[Ozheelfan]

Forget playing position and shot mechanics! I think we all saw the reason behind Marcus's slump during his senior night speech.
That girlfriend of his would put anyone off their game.
I don't know when they began seeing each other, but if it was after his sophomore year then it all makes sense to me.....
Cue the obvious jokes about Marcus playing better with the ball in his hands.....

 

[tarh33ls]

Forget playing position and shot mechanics! I think we all saw the reason behind Marcus's slump during his senior night speech.
That girlfriend of his would put anyone off their game.
I don't know when they began seeing each other, but if it was after his sophomore year then it all makes sense to me.....
Cue the obvious jokes about Marcus playing better with the ball in his hands.....

 

[HeelFan58]

Forget playing position and shot mechanics! I think we all saw the reason behind Marcus's slump during his senior night speech.
That girlfriend of his would put anyone off their game.
I don't know when they began seeing each other, but if it was after his sophomore year then it all makes sense to me.....
Cue the obvious jokes about Marcus playing better with the ball in his hands.....

"That girl friend" Kind of like the effect Kate Upton has had on Justin Verlander?

 

[Ozheelfan]

"That girl friend" Kind of like the effect Kate Upton has had on Justin Verlander?

Can you blame him?? Kate Upton would put me in hospital..... and that's before I'd even untied my shoelaces!

 

[HeelFan58]

Can you blame him?? Kate Upton would put me in hospital..... and that's before I'd even untied my shoelaces!

Hell no I don't blame him , envy him hell yeah. How bout that Ashley Graham? Swiiiing!

 

[ChiShankCity]

I tend to think it's a mental thing with Marcus.

His 2-point FG percentage has been on par with his career. He isn't getting to the line any less frequently. But he's been substantially worse from the 2 "lines" this season... FT and 3-point line.

The difference between his conference and non conference numbers this season have been insane.

IN CONFERENCE:
FT: 29-40 (72.5%)
3's: 30-103 (29.1%)

NON CONFERENCE:
FT: 21-26 (80.7%)
3's: 17-37 (45.9%)

Strictly in terms of shot efficiency in conference play, Paige has been about as efficient as Pinson.

No one else has a split that drastic aside from Nate Britt... But that might be a sample size thing more than anything else.

Compare that to last year in conference play, Paige (while playing through injury) shot 41.5% from 3 and 90.2% from the FT line.

 

[gary-7]

Can some one get us some video of this sequence where gary says we were in our secondary break and 92 says we were not? I do not have the game still on DVR, so can someone refresh me with a video of it?

Here ya go (no Rick-roll).

Our guys are in standard transition lanes as they're taught, since Syracuse is still disorganized in retreat. Marcus (who happened to have the ball) knows to push the dribble at a slight angle to the key elbow ("strong" side), as JJ and JB have hit the hashes wide for a pitch-ahead 3, our first Big down (Brice) has sprinted and posted at the strong-side block, and the trail Big (Hicks) hits the weak-side high elbow. Again, standard transition formation and motion.

Now watch Marcus as the Secondary Break stresses the D. One of Syracuse's Forwards fans to check JJ, so Marcus first looks for Brice on the block. However, with the other Forward still trying to get back and figure out who to guard (and is concerned with JB), Hicks continues down to the open space on the weak-side block. Cooney is doing his job to stop the ball, but Syracuse's off Guard (Gbinije) is also not quite ready to close a passing lane and Marcus whips the no-look to Hicks for the flush.
(BTW: Elapsed Time from change of possession = 6 seconds)

Secondary Break 201.

"I would rather play 3-on-3 than 4-on 4, and I'd rather play 4-on-4 than 5-on-5, and I'd rather play 5-on-5 against a defense that's not yet set than against a defense that is set. We consider each of these situations advantageous, and that's why we want to exploit the options of our Secondary Break as much as possible before we have to settle in to our half-court offense." - Dean Smith

 

[r_u_worthy]

And that is game set and match I believe. Not too mention there multiple variations based on post trailer relationship to the ball and how the defense reacts if I'm not completely off base. They can also flow right into the passing game or freelance off the secondary.

 

[gary-7]

And that is game set and match I believe. Not too mention there multiple variations based on post trailer relationship to the ball and how the defense reacts if I'm not completely off base. They can also flow right into the passing game or freelance off the secondary.

Yep. It usually continues a bit longer vs Man, with some keyed variations as you said, then into the Passing Game. With Cuse being an exclusively Zone team, if the dumps weren't there Marcus would have made one more swing pass (backside to JB), and there would have been an accompanying re-post to the ball by Hicks and a high-post flash by Brice, and JJ either rolling to the ball-side baseline or staying and completing the off-side interchange with Marcus to continue into our standard Zone O.

 

[UNC '92]

Here ya go (no Rick-roll).

Our guys are in standard transition lanes as they're taught, since Syracuse is still disorganized in retreat. Marcus (who happened to have the ball) knows to push the dribble at a slight angle to the key elbow ("strong" side), as JJ and JB have hit the hashes wide for a pitch-ahead 3, our first Big down (Brice) has sprinted and posted at the strong-side block, and the trail Big (Hicks) hits the weak-side high elbow. Again, standard transition formation and motion.

Now watch Marcus as the Secondary Break stresses the D. One of Syracuse's Forwards fans to check JJ, so Marcus first looks for Brice on the block. However, with the other Forward still trying to get back and figure out who to guard (and is concerned with JB), Hicks continues down to the open space on the weak-side block. Cooney is doing his job to stop the ball, but Syracuse's off Guard (Gbinije) is also not quite ready to close a passing lane and Marcus whips the no-look to Hicks for the flush.
(BTW: Elapsed Time from change of possession = 6 seconds)

Secondary Break 201.

"I would rather play 3-on-3 than 4-on 4, and I'd rather play 4-on-4 than 5-on-5, and I'd rather play 5-on-5 against a defense that's not yet set than against a defense that is set. We consider each of these situations advantageous, and that's why we want to exploit the options of our Secondary Break as much as possible before we have to settle in to our half-court offense." - Dean Smith

The bold part is where secondary ended and Hicks leaves the elbow because he recognizes the low block is open. Marcus broke off the right and moved towards the middle to start our set. We may be splitting hairs but as I laid out before, the pass and bucket was done in half court. And this further helps illustrate the majority point why Marcus is the better point guard for this team.

I'd like to add that your reply here does indicate you can lay out your point without being smarmy. Even though it was in response to one of your buddies it still shows you are capable of it. Your message is better received this way.

 

[DSouthr]

Off the top want to say thank you for the replies to this and especially to 92 cause I went at him kinda hard yesterday. Now I wanted to draw thus down because I wanted everyone to see, these 2 fellas are not dummys. Both are a lot like me in that they trust their own eyes and both can be strong in defending their positions and at times can get a little bit over heated, I know I fess guilty of that.

Gary, good guy believe it or not but he does have that coach in him and it is the coach in him that both brings folks like myself in but it as well can push others away. Coaches are a special breed of folks for the most part, if you do not take the time to really understand where they are coming from they can easily be seen as "It is my way or the highway" or "you don't know enough to argue with me". My best buddy here is a former coach, trust me I have spent time with coaches and I enjoy that but I understand it before I enjoy it. But to folks not used to it very easliy it can come off as smart arse and vast majority of the time it is not intended.

92 is not shy about his opinions either, in some ways similar to gary, maybe his boiling point is a little lower but he boils pretty darn hot. So the only way I knew to bring 2 bulls together is to show them they both know a lil something about how to woo the cows on the farm.

Now on this question, looks like the secondary break to me as well, the defense was trying best it could to establish but could not set. I learned a trick a few years ago in that now days I try to use words like IMO to qualify my words. I try not to state as fact what is my opinion even thou at times I may be shocked if anyone disagrees, it is a velvet glove approach. I would suggest gary try that, think it would help the way his opinions are received.

But I would as well suggest those that disagree with what he says to clearly state their disagreement. Think what it feels like to totally believe in something and state it and you have someone that flatly states you are wrong and yet usually offers no clear definition of why you are wrong? Happens top me all the time and drives me nutzs. How can you defend your position when the other person refuses to give you exactly what it is they disagree with you over? Kinda like you let the cat outside, your wife is pissed cause you did, but she will not tell you what she is pissed over? LOL

I wanted to show that both are reasonable guys and guys able to work out differences with folks that do not agree with them. I would ask they hold their venom for those non-UNC fans or those that are just so un=reasonable that ya wished they were not proclaiming themselves as Tar heels. Neither of these fellas are that so can we try buring the hatchet in the ground rather than in each others back?

 

[HeelFan58]

Is this over now? Damn!

 

[Hark_The_Sound_2010]

If Berry moves exclusively to the 2 and Oaige to the 1, we will be bounced by the sweet 16.

You don't think Berry can handle the 2? I think he's a pretty good player and could handle SG, but if you don't think he's that good I can see why you have the opinion we'd be bounced early.

 

[DSouthr]

You don't think Berry can handle the 2? I think he's a pretty good player and could handle SG, but if you don't think he's that good I can see why you have the opinion we'd be bounced early.

I like Berry MUCH more as a PG, primary PG but at this point I think the most important thing is to get Marcus back on track before the NCAAT. He didn't shoot it well on Sr night but the rest of his game did to me look much better, more engaged, more plugged in to the game rather than looking worried or tentative.

What concerns me is Joel strikes me as more opportunistic jump shooter than pure jump shooter, meaning he picks his shots and is solid with them but a little bit concerned with him creating his own shot. The 2 has to create more of his own shots typically but Marcus at the point is still such a threat that opportunistic shots will still be there for Joel no matter if he is at the 2.

The way Joel has defended bigger PGs shows me that is is more than just able to defend the typically bigger 2 guards and marcus did struggle some defending the bigger 2s. I think even more important than our jump shooting is our guards defending the drives from a spread offense. Duke uses that as their staple with Allen and he looks to march to the foul line after every drive. So staying in front of him is critical but so is watching his kick backs to spot up shooters. If we can force teams to initiate their offense further up top than they want it really allows us to close those gaps and we did that pretty darn well earlier season but that has loosened up a bit later season.

I just can't express how much I wish Roy would embrace the zone defense more, the way we help defend IMO hurts our rebounding and at times gets our bigs in un-needed foul trouble. Both are things we have struggled with to much and both have cost us games.

 

[gary-7]

The bold part is where secondary ended and Hicks leaves the elbow because he recognizes the low block is open. Marcus broke off the right and moved towards the middle to start our set. We may be splitting hairs but as I laid out before, the pass and bucket was done in half court. And this further helps illustrate the majority point why Marcus is the better point guard for this team.

I'd like to add that your reply here does indicate you can lay out your point without being smarmy. Even though it was in response to one of your buddies it still shows you are capable of it. Your message is better received this way.

Wow. Just wow. This is not in any size, shape or form "splitting hairs". The Secondary never "ended" --- at least not until after the dunk --- and we never once got into our half-court offensive set on that 6-second possession. And Marcus did not make the push in order to start our set, he did it as part of the Secondary Break. When the Cuse Forward fanned, Marcus was setting up the dump to Brice on the strong-side block.as he is taught, but the bonus was that their Zone not being set enabled Hicks to find a hole on the weak block and became the more open option. .

Although this sequence is a part of the subtleties of the Carolina system, once they're mapped out It really is that straight-forward. There are no gray areas nor any hair-splitting going on here. It also shows nothing concerning PG play, per se. In our transition game whoever among our perimeter guys (1, 2 or 3) assumes the closest of the three lanes. Marcus (the 2) happened to have the middle lane and the ball (the ball can also be advanced down the sideline if needed in Secondary situations). He simply executed the Secondary the way it's been done hundreds of times in Carolina games and thousands of times in practice reps. Marcus is a terrific basketball player and made a nice play, but there's a pretty darned good chance that whoever was in that lane would have found Hicks for that dunk. In fact IIRC we've seen Marcus, JB, Nate, Theo and JJ all make dump passes for scores on the Secondary this season. It works because the Secondary Break --- perhaps Dean's greatest invention and coached to the max by Roy --- works.

Now, I admittedly took umbrage at the tone of your initial response to my first post ITT, and you took umbrage at the tone of my response to that. Fair enough on both counts. I was willing to just let that part go. Dave asked for a video and I went ahead and broke the play down to demonstrate my point. That should have been the end of it. However your last sentence here was just a passive-aggressive little shot. Again, you can spare me the condescending lectures, bubba. I enjoy talking Xs and Os, and i'm happy to share insights into the system or discuss differences of opinion, but right now you're just being a douche bag.

I'm out.