Any chance the move Marcus to PG & start Hicks?

[UNC71-00]

Wow. Just wow. This is not in any size, shape or form "splitting hairs". The Secondary never "ended" --- at least not until after the dunk --- and we never once got into our half-court offensive set on that 6-second possession. And Marcus did not make the push in order to start our set, he did it as part of the Secondary Break. When the Cuse Forward fanned, Marcus was setting up the dump to Brice on the strong-side block.as he is taught, but the bonus was that their Zone not being set enabled Hicks to find a hole on the weak block and became the more open option. .

Although this sequence is a part of the subtleties of the Carolina system, once they're mapped out It really is that straight-forward. There are no gray areas nor any hair-splitting going on here. It also shows nothing concerning PG play, per se. In our transition game whoever among our perimeter guys (1, 2 or 3) assumes the closest of the three lanes. Marcus (the 2) happened to have the middle lane and the ball (the ball can also be advanced down the sideline if needed in Secondary situations). He simply executed the Secondary the way it's been done hundreds of times in Carolina games and thousands of times in practice reps. Marcus is a terrific basketball player and made a nice play, but there's a pretty darned good chance that whoever was in that lane would have found Hicks for that dunk. In fact IIRC we've seen Marcus, JB, Nate, Theo and JJ all make dump passes for scores on the Secondary this season. It works because the Secondary Break --- perhaps Dean's greatest invention and coached to the max by Roy --- works.

Now, I admittedly took umbrage at the tone of your initial response to my first post ITT, and you took umbrage at the tone of my response to that. Fair enough on both counts. I was willing to just let that part go. Dave asked for a video and I went ahead and broke the play down to demonstrate my point. That should have been the end of it. However your last sentence here was just a passive-aggressive little shot. Again, you can spare me the condescending lectures, bubba. I enjoy talking Xs and Os, and i'm happy to share insights into the system or discuss differences of opinion, but right now you're just being a douche bag.

I'm out.

What the hell is wrong with you? There was nothing at all passive aggressive in his last line, nor was it even a tiny shot. He was being genuinely appreciative of you posting in a non-confrontational manner in your response, as were probably most people ITT.

DSouth- you want to see if you can talk some sense into your boy? Because he clearly didn't pay any attention to your most recent poast.

 

[imajericho]

You don't think Berry can handle the 2? I think he's a pretty good player and could handle SG, but if you don't think he's that good I can see why you have the opinion we'd be bounced early.

We would be slowing our tempo and slower we go more chance we lose.

 

[coryfly]

Haha, that response is a pretty good example of why this is going on in the first place.

 

[imajericho]

Can't believe you guys have this topic and are arguing people should move positions on a 26-5 team because a dude made a good pass to a literally wide open dude waiving his hand for the ball.

 

[coryfly]

We would be slowing our tempo and slower we go more chance we lose.

The offense would go just as fast. It would just possible be more effective. Maybe not. It wouldn't slow down though. I even paid attention to both when I rewatched the Syracuse game last night. Both are different but they both pick their spots in terms of how fast they come up the court with the ball.

 

[coryfly]

Can't believe you guys have this topic and are arguing people should move positions on a 26-5 team because a dude made a good pass to a literally wide open dude waiving his hand for the ball.

That is obviously not why people are making the argument. I assume you realize that.

 

[BillyL]

We would be slowing our tempo and slower we go more chance we lose.

How so . . ?

Haha, that response is a pretty good example of why this is going on in the first place.

 

[UNC71-00]

Can't believe you guys have this topic and are arguing people should move positions on a 26-5 team because a dude made a good pass to a literally wide open dude waiving his hand for the ball.

I know. Imagine how much worse it would be if the team was loaded with upperclassmen and was the consensus pre-season number one, yet they failed to beat a top 10 team on the road and coughed up a certain win against Dook on lousy end of game coaching and play.

People would be really pissed then.

 

[imajericho]

I know. Imagine how much worse it would be if the team was loaded with upperclassmen and was the consensus pre-season number one, yet they failed to beat a top 10 team on the road and coughed up a certain win against Doom on lousy end of game coaching and play.

People would be really pissed then.

Teams lose. Show me the last undefeated champion.

 

[Hark_The_Sound_2010]

I know. Imagine how much worse it would be if the team was loaded with upperclassmen and was the consensus pre-season number one, yet they failed to beat a top 10 team on the road and coughed up a certain win against Doom on lousy end of game coaching and play.

People would be really pissed then.

Not only have they not beat a top 10 team on the road, if Cuse loses @FSU (and they'll most likely be underdogs in that game), then they'll be 9-9 in the ACC, and UNC will have not beaten a team with a winning conference record on the road this entire season.

 

[UNC71-00]

Teams lose. Show me the last undefeated champion.

Show me the last champion who was consensus pick to win it all that lost 5 games and didn't beat a top 10 team on the road.

It's not that the team has lost. It is that we have lost games we should not have lost and not beaten teams on the road.

 

[coryfly]

Our tempo (in terms of possessions per game at least) was actually faster four years ago than it has been the last two years. This year has been an improvement on last year in terms of tempo though. Still, in general it hovers around the same number.

 

[Hark_The_Sound_2010]

Teams lose. Show me the last undefeated champion.

 

[gunslingerdick]

It's not that the losses really are that damning. It's just that we don't really have any impressive wins to cancel out the losses. I mean, it's not hard to swallow the fact that we lost at UVa or even at Louisville. But not getting a road win at Texas or at ND is killing us. Duke is our last saving grace.

 

[coryfly]

It's not that the losses really are that damning. It's just that we don't really have any impressive wins to cancel out the losses. I mean, it's not hard to swallow the fact that we lost at UVa or even at Louisville. But not getting a road win at Texas or at ND is killing us. Duke is our last saving grace.

Yeah, the hope is that we won't carry over our road issues to neutral sites. So hopefully it is a road issue and not a 'not being at home' issue.

 

[UNC71-00]

It's not that the losses really are that damning. It's just that we don't really have any impressive wins to cancel out the losses. I mean, it's not hard to swallow the fact that we lost at UVa or even at Louisville. But not getting a road win at Texas or at ND is killing us. Duke is our last saving grace.

Texas (A), Duke (H), Louisville(A) and ND (A). If the record is:

4-0 (we are delightfully happy, and probably surprised that we won 1 or 2 of those)
3-1 (happy, but about where we expected)
2-2 (well, the ball didn't bounce our way and someone was hurt, but ok)
1-3 (damn, we should be better than this)
0-4 (WTF?)

Now, if we had offset the 0-4 with a late season road win against UVA, that would get us back to the emotional level of 2-2. Instead, we were never really in that game in the last 10 minutes and barely scraped by a team we beat on the road in January. And people wonder why some are pissed?

I'm not pissed though. I'm a lover, not a fighter.

 

[BillyL]

It's not that the losses really are that damning. It's just that we don't really have any impressive wins to cancel out the losses. I mean, it's not hard to swallow the fact that we lost at UVa or even at Louisville. But not getting a road win at Texas or at ND is killing us. Duke is our last saving grace.

While this is very true, for me it is the fact we had or were tied for the lead in every one of those losses. This was the symptom of last year's squad, and it appears that we have duplicated last season's identity . . unable to put away our opponent when you've had such an opportunity is just heart-breaking for fans. Look at the dOOk game, up 10 points with what 3 plus minutes left to play . . ? This team needs a take charge leader, one of 2 seniors would be the ideal choice . . but alas, no one seems to want take the chance on that just yet.

I've gotten the feeling in a couple of our games that the team as a whole has reverted to just playing scared . .

jmho

 

[gunslingerdick]

Yeah, the hope is that we won't carry over our road issues to neutral sites. So hopefully it is a road issue and not a 'not being at home' issue.

Well, as I pointed out last week, we are 4-0 on neutral courts. Granted, those games 4 games are against teams that are at best bubble teams. *sigh*

 

[gunslingerdick]

Now, if we had offset the 0-4 with a late season road win against UVA, that would get us back to the emotional level of 2-2. Instead, we were never really in that game in the last 10 minutes

Huh? It was a 5 point game. We were definitely in that game until the final buzzer.

 

[tarheel0910]

Show me the last champion who was consensus pick to win it all that lost 5 games and didn't beat a top 10 team on the road.

It's not that the team has lost. It is that we have lost games we should not have lost and not beaten teams on the road.

I agree with that last part, but I don't think beating a top 10 team on the road should carry much weight since it's such a small sample size. UVA and Miami are the only current top ten teams we have played, with UVA being the only road game. We can't control the rankings.

 

[coryfly]

We weren't really a consensus to win it all. On ESPN, only 7 out of 28 people picked us. More people actually picked KU. Now, 21 of 28 picked us for the FF though.

 

[Hark_The_Sound_2010]

I agree with that last part, but I don't think beating a top 10 team on the road should carry much weight since it's such a small sample size. UVA and Miami are the only current top ten teams we have played, with UVA being the only road game. We can't control the rankings.

Agreed, which is why I broadened the scope in my post (below), to what we could call "decent" teams on the road: Had the chance to do so @UNI, @Texas, @Louisville, @ND, and @UVA - and lost all of those games against teams with a winning conference record. We successfully beat Cuse on the road, but as I mentioned, if they lose @FSU, that takes them out of the sample of teams with a winning conference record.

Not only have they not beat a top 10 team on the road, if Cuse loses @FSU (and they'll most likely be underdogs in that game), then they'll be 9-9 in the ACC, and UNC will have not beaten a team with a winning conference record on the road this entire season.

 

[imajericho]

Correct. We weren't consensus. And our losses are by a very small total.

 

[Hark_The_Sound_2010]

And our losses are by a very small total.

Well hopefully they allow us to advance to the Final Four, even if we lose in the Elite 8, as long as it's only by a small amount.

 

[imajericho]

Well hopefully they allow us to advance to the Final Four, even if we lose in the Elite 8, as long as it's only by a small amount.

The point is. We haven't been doninated by a team. Losing by a few points on the road in a hostile crowd, it happens.

UNC is fine and will be fine as long as eceryone accepts their roles on the team and try to be as good as they can be.

As Dana O'Neil said, Paige is what is dragging the team down right now. If he picks it up, we are unbeatable.

 

[UNC '92]

Wow. Just wow. This is not in any size, shape or form "splitting hairs". The Secondary never "ended" --- at least not until after the dunk --- and we never once got into our half-court offensive set on that 6-second possession. And Marcus did not make the push in order to start our set, he did it as part of the Secondary Break. When the Cuse Forward fanned, Marcus was setting up the dump to Brice on the strong-side block.as he is taught, but the bonus was that their Zone not being set enabled Hicks to find a hole on the weak block and became the more open option. .

Although this sequence is a part of the subtleties of the Carolina system, once they're mapped out It really is that straight-forward. There are no gray areas nor any hair-splitting going on here. It also shows nothing concerning PG play, per se. In our transition game whoever among our perimeter guys (1, 2 or 3) assumes the closest of the three lanes. Marcus (the 2) happened to have the middle lane and the ball (the ball can also be advanced down the sideline if needed in Secondary situations). He simply executed the Secondary the way it's been done hundreds of times in Carolina games and thousands of times in practice reps. Marcus is a terrific basketball player and made a nice play, but there's a pretty darned good chance that whoever was in that lane would have found Hicks for that dunk. In fact IIRC we've seen Marcus, JB, Nate, Theo and JJ all make dump passes for scores on the Secondary this season. It works because the Secondary Break --- perhaps Dean's greatest invention and coached to the max by Roy --- works.

Now, I admittedly took umbrage at the tone of your initial response to my first post ITT, and you took umbrage at the tone of my response to that. Fair enough on both counts. I was willing to just let that part go. Dave asked for a video and I went ahead and broke the play down to demonstrate my point. That should have been the end of it. However your last sentence here was just a passive-aggressive little shot. Again, you can spare me the condescending lectures, bubba. I enjoy talking Xs and Os, and i'm happy to share insights into the system or discuss differences of opinion, but right now you're just being a douche bag.

I'm out.

I think the wow in this thread should be completely reserved for you. I laid out why I think you are wrong and could not care less if you agree. I don't expect you to given your inability to recognize when you are wrong. I'm not going to keep laying it out for you, you don't get it. And with that, every time I see you disrespect another poaster and/or start that diarrhea of the mouth about things you have no insight on, I'm probably going to thump your poast.

 

[tarheel0910]

Agreed, which is why I broadened the scope in my post (below), to what we could call "decent" teams on the road: Had the chance to do so @UNI, @Texas, @Louisville, @ND, and @UVA - and lost all of those games against teams with a winning conference record. We successfully beat Cuse on the road, but as I mentioned, if they lose @FSU, that takes them out of the sample of teams with a winning conference record.

That's true. The only two that really bothered me were the UNI game and the Texas game. We were in control of both and let it slip away. ACC games are always tough, so unless we lose to an ACC basement dweller or get blown out I'm not too upset about it.

 

[tarheel0910]

I think the wow in this thread should be completely reserved for you. I laid out why I think you are wrong and could not care less if you agree. I don't expect you to given your inability to recognize when you are wrong. I'm not going to keep laying it out for you, you don't get it. And with that, every time I see you disrespect another poaster and/or start that diarrhea of the mouth about things you have no insight on, I'm probably going to thump your poast.

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[coryfly]

The point is. We haven't been doninated by a team. Losing by a few points on the road in a hostile crowd, it happens.

UNC is fine and will be fine as long as eceryone accepts their roles on the team and try to be as good as they can be.

As Dana O'Neil said, Paige is what is dragging the team down right now. If he picks it up, we are unbeatable.

He isn't really dragging us down that much and that seems a little incongruous with saying we are fine. It isn't like he is hurting us tremendously. We would just be better if he was back to his old self. It still isn't like we would be running laps around the field or something. No one is doing that this year.

 

[Archer2]

Shouldn't matter if we play like we're supposed to, but....

We weren't really a consensus to win it all. On ESPN, only 7 out of 28 people picked us. More people actually picked KU. Now, 21 of 28 picked us for the FF though.

Ah, a little sanity in a world of madness. And only 75% picked us to make the FF, so no consensus there either. I think some of our fans thought we might only have 2-3 losses at this point. With basically the same team as last year, and with probably only one or two future NBA players, we're about where I anticipated we'd be. The only really surprising loss to me is UNI.

When you consider our best player coming in, preseason ACC POY Paige, probably won't even make 3rd team All-ACC... Throw in JJ's shooting slump and Kennedy's mediocrity, and I'm surprised we're where we are, TBH.

This team has never been a dominant team. We're a team that can beat anyone on a given night. We can also be pretty average on a given night. The guy who has been our leader and who sets the tone(Marcus), has been struggling. That's tough to overcome. Brice and JOel have tried to assume leadership roles and have been pretty successful. But most of us thought JJ would really emerge this year and that Marcus would be steady as a rock, our anchor. That just hasn't happened, for whatever reason(s).

Still have it in is to make a FF run if we can get Marcus and JJ back on track. UConn got hot at the very end of the '14 season and won six in a row, and they struggled mightily shooting the three. Their defense carried them though and we've been average defensively. So we'll see. I'm still realistically optimistic.

 

[JuleZ '02 HEEL]

 

[Archer2]

Pretty succinct, JuleZ. A picture's worth a post by Dave, they say. JK, he's one of my favorite posters.

 

[Ozheelfan]

Ah, a little sanity in a world of madness. And only 75% picked us to make the FF, so no consensus there either. I think some of our fans thought we might only have 2-3 losses at this point. With basically the same team as last year, and with probably only one or two future NBA players, we're about where I anticipated we'd be. The only really surprising loss to me is UNI.

When you consider our best player coming in, preseason ACC POY Paige, probably won't even make 3rd team All-ACC... Throw in JJ's shooting slump and Kennedy's mediocrity, and I'm surprised we're where we are, TBH.

This team has never been a dominant team. We're a team that can beat anyone on a given night. We can also be pretty average on a given night. The guy who has been our leader and who sets the tone(Marcus), has been struggling. That's tough to overcome. Brice and JOel have tried to assume leadership roles and have been pretty successful. But most of us thought JJ would really emerge this year and that Marcus would be steady as a rock, our anchor. That just hasn't happened, for whatever reason(s).

Still have it in is to make a FF run if we can get Marcus and JJ back on track. UConn got hot at the very end of the '14 season and won six in a row, and they struggled mightily shooting the three. Their defense carried them though and we've been average defensively. So we'll see. I'm still realistically optimistic.

Thanks for the voice of reason Arch.
A lot of fans experiencing expectation gap and not dealing with it well.
Top 10 team? What is that this year? How can you say any opponent is a top 10 team when it's been a game of musical chairs in the rankings all year.
2pt loss at Texas? They've knocked off 4 "top 10" teams this year and UNC went within a bucket of beating them at home. Texas is 19-11 and the Heels are 24-6 what does that mean (nothing except both will be in the tourney)
It's easy to spin wins/losses from the season into a doom and gloom (or all sunshine) outlook but the fact is, the Heels are still playing, they'll have a high seed for the ACC tourney and a pretty good seed in the NCAA.
And, as long as they're still lacing up their Nikes, they're still in the hunt.