Brandan Ingram?

[DSouthr]

So, you didn't want to be a post player, so you comitt to duke because K promises ya and crosses his lil ole ratty heart that you can be a 2 guard? Well hows that working out for ya now Brandan? Roy tells you the truth but it was a truth you didn't want to hear, K tells you the lie you wanted to hear and you bit that hook line & sinker!

Enjoy your soph college season...well then again, maybe don't ! LOL

(sorry mikey, I know, you hate dukies threads ;-)

 

[TRU CANE]

I think he is still rated as the #2 pick and has actually been getting better as the season progresses. Am I lying?

 

[TPFKAPFS]

Ingram is getting better and will thrive when he realizes he is a stretch 4 (marginal 3 and terrible 2) who needs to learn to play D!

Roy told him the truth, ratty played to his ego; defines both men!

 

[mikeirbyusa]

(sorry mikey, I know, you hate dukies threads ;-)

YES I DO!!!!

Makes us look like jealous little wuffies.

 

[coryfly]

He has looked pretty good lately. He'll still probably be a high enough draft pick to leave. I hope he does.

 

[strummingram]

He certainly didn't look very hard for a good tattoo artist.

I think he's better suited for dook. Personally (and I'm very biased), I cannot imagine how a person is divided between the schools to attend, in terms of playing on an athletic scholarship. People who grow up Tar Heel fans and then go to dook were never truly Tar Heel fans in my opinion. I'm too stubborn for my own good in that department.

 

[HeelFan58]

If Ingram is #2 then it is a thin draft. pun intended.

 

[heelmanwilm]

He would be getting crucified in this forum if he went here. Another skinny guy who can run the floor but avg shooter and horrible rebounder.

 

[KOOL123]

He certainly didn't look very hard for a good tattoo artist.

I think he's better suited for dook. Personally (and I'm very biased), I cannot imagine how a person is divided between the schools to attend, in terms of playing on an athletic scholarship. People who grow up Tar Heel fans and then go to dook were never truly Tar Heel fans in my opinion. I'm too stubborn for my own good in that department.

He might stay in school a few years as he seems to have plenty of money...Dude got about 5 or 6 grand of INK on him....

 

[Steat]

Rip Van Ingram is headed to the NBA after his one season with Duke. If he sticks around he will come off the bench. And by the way, Tyus Jones is in the D league.

 

[DSouthr]

I think he is still rated as the #2 pick and has actually been getting better as the season progresses. Am I lying?

#2 pick in what? There is zero chance anyone wastes a #2 NBA draft pick on him, he at best maybe end of the lotto and that would be based on perceived potential.

But tell me tru, do ya love him as a 2 guard? How often has he played at the 2 for your dukies tru, as he was promised? He is a stretch 4 at best, one day maybe his body matures to be able to play out front but he is not anywhere close to that right now. That is what EVERY coach should have told him, it is what Roy told him...

 

[Archer2]

He's a dookster, I don't give him much thought one way or the other uñtil we play. The only dookster I care enough about to rag on regularly is Knight Lite. And that's because I dislike him so much. Ingram got what he asked for.

 

[TRU CANE]

#2 pick in what? There is zero chance anyone wastes a #2 NBA draft pick on him, he at best maybe end of the lotto and that would be based on perceived potential.

But tell me tru, do ya love him as a 2 guard? How often has he played at the 2 for your dukies tru, as he was promised? He is a stretch 4 at best, one day maybe his body matures to be able to play out front but he is not anywhere close to that right now. That is what EVERY coach should have told him, it is what Roy told him...

Agreed I don't like him at the 2. I can't imagine he will see any significant time at the 2. It's difficult for me to believe K promised him he would play at the 2, especially since K is known to put the best 5 on the court irregardless of traditional positions. Maybe K said he would give him the opportunity to play that position? Anyway, to me it doesn't matter. The kid starts, he plays a ton, he has the ball in his hands often enough to showcase his skills and he has in fact been showing his skills. Ingram is averaging 24.3 points on 63 percent shooting, 55 percent from the 3-point line, and 9.3 rebounds over his last three games. He's projected top 5 right now. Even if K LIED to him after promising he would only play the 2 no matter what (doubtful), I DOUBT the kid regrets his decision. The kid is thriving out there. Maybe he runs into a wall in the ACC ( vs UNC lol I know you'd love that) but if not, I don't understand how you could dismiss his potential at a #2 pick.

 

[coolwaterunc]

FYI - not that it means anything, but NBADraft.net has him #2 to the Lakers.

 

[HeelFan58]

FYI - not that it means anything, but NBADraft.net has him #2 to the Lakers.

also ESPN article asks if he is the next Kevin Durant?

 

[RoseHeel]

#2 pick in what? There is zero chance anyone wastes a #2 NBA draft pick on him, he at best maybe end of the lotto and that would be based on perceived potential.

Why wouldn't they? There is not a single player in college that is a guaranteed #2 Pick behind Simmons right now. Murray has been playing pretty well lately, but I think Ingram could get the nod simply off of potential and his size.

Whether he plays like a #2 Pick is a different question. But when has that stopped the NBA teams from picking these guys?

 

[Spacegrass]

Ingram is top 5 pick barring injuries when he comes out. You don't want him to come back as a soph with a better developed body and skill set.

 

[Hark_The_Sound_2010]

, Ingram is averaging 24.3 points on 63 percent shooting, 55 percent from the 3-point line, and 9.3 rebounds over his last three games.

A whole 3 game sample size? Can't possibly be wrong.

 

[HeelFan58]

A whole 3 game sample size? Can't possibly be wrong.

that 3 game set was against high calorie cream puffs. Only good game against a good team was Indiana (not known for their "D")

UK 1-6 , 0-0
UT 6-16 . 2-6
Gtown 2-7 , 0-1
VCU 2-7 , 0-3

Not so great against better talent that plays defense. I am sure he will be a top5 pick because the NBA has no qualms about throwing away money on projects.

 

[strummingram]

Dude got about 5 or 6 grand of INK on him....

It looks like prison/DIY ink.

 

[MWHeels]

I think he's definitely gone after this year. I would be shocked if he stayed at Duke for his sophomore season.

 

[toophly1124]

No way he doesn't leave after this year ..top 5 pick on potential alone ..i can't see why anyone would argue w that

 

[topps coach]

He is gone after this year

 

[Steat]

He is gone. Hope he goes to Philly...

 

[gunslingerdick]

I guess he will go top 5. That's quite an indictment on how the NBA drafts players these days. The fact that he could go #2 is embarrassing.

IMO, Ingram will never average double digits in the NBA.

 

[DSouthr]

He is gone after this year

Ken, you know darn well, if YOU are a NBA GM there is no freakin way you waste a first round pick on him! By the time he finally gets to the point of being able to help a team he will be out of his rookie contract and most likely leaving the team that drafts him.

That to me is the joke with all this draft on nothing but potential, when they finally get to the point they can help your team win they leave town and sign with another team?

 

[TRU CANE]

Listen, ACC play hasn't even started. Nobody here is correct as of now, there is too much bball left. Is he a can't miss guy? No. Is he already a bust not living up to expectations? No. Right now it's somewhere in the middle. He struggled early on against stiff competition as mentioned above. Maybe he needed time to adjust or maybe he just isn't as good as originally believed which it appears is where South is leaning; however, he has looked darn good lately. NOBODY expected Winslow to be what he was and he wasn't THAT until middle of the year at best. This is a wait and see deal.

 

[gary-7]

I think he is still rated as the #2 pick and has actually been getting better as the season progresses. Am I lying?

He was one-and-done coming in, will get drafted and do ok in the NBA with his offensive skill set because it's a league of 'tweeners. On the other hand I've watched dook 3 times and have yet to see him play a lick of solid defense. And he ain't Kevin Durant.
Honestly, I NEVER wanted this kid at Carolina, for all of the above reasons. BAD fit, bad for our chemistry and he has his own agenda.

 

[gary-7]

Ken, you know darn well, if YOU are a NBA GM there is no freakin way you waste a first round pick on him! By the time he finally gets to the point of being able to help a team he will be out of his rookie contract and most likely leaving the team that drafts him.

That to me is the joke with all this draft on nothing but potential, when they finally get to the point they can help your team win they leave town and sign with another team?

Dave, I don't disagree with you often, but here I do. Barring injury he will go lottery (based on potential), just as he would have right outta HS if the old hardship rules were in place. While I don't see him EVER being able to defend NBA 2-guards, they'll find a place for him up thar in 'tweener-land (today's NBA).

 

[Ozheelfan]

Honestly, I NEVER wanted this kid at Carolina, for all of the above reasons. BAD fit, bad for our chemistry and he has his own agenda.

Ditto.
Sure, he's an uber basketball talent, but this Heels team is beginning to round into a special group. Looking at the Heels and how they're playing now and the chemistry/culture being developed I don't see how he'd fit in, at least not without demoting one of the current players.
Would Isaiah be doing what he does now if Ingram had come to UNC? What about Justin, Theo, even Brice?

 

[topps coach]

Historically most OAD players are drafted on potential and many of them never contribute to the team that originally drafted them.As a business man I would spend millions to develop an asset for my competition. Guess I couldn't be an NBA GM

 

[topps coach]

Historically most OAD players are drafted on potential and many of them never contribute to the team that originally drafted them.As a business man I would spend millions to develop an asset for my competition. Guess I couldn't be an NBA GM

 

[topps coach]

Meant to say would not spend millions

 

[gary-7]

Ditto.
Sure, he's an uber basketball talent, but this Heels team is beginning to round into a special group. Looking at the Heels and how they're playing now and the chemistry/culture being developed I don't see how he'd fit in, at least not without demoting one of the current players.
Would Isaiah be doing what he does now if Ingram had come to UNC? What about Justin, Theo, even Brice?

..and the worst aspect would have been him wanting to be a Wing.
You are 100% correct, though... this team has an agenda that is much more important than that of any individual player. As long as Roy brings some Burger Boys with their heads screwed on right (like we have now) and complements them with high-ceiling 4-year players, I'll take that over the UK/dook model.

 

[Archer2]

Me too Gary. And if we ever become a OADU like two teams I won't mention so as not to attract their fans, I'll stop watching college basketball.

 

[HeelFan58]

Me too Gary. And if we ever become a OADU like two teams I won't mention so as not to attract their fans, I'll stop watching college basketball.

don't think you need to mention their names......1.....2.....3 here they come.

 

[Ozheelfan]

This is the key guys, what sort of program does all stakeholders want?
In order, those stakeholders are probably: The University, the boosters, the staff, the students, the fans.

With that in mind it seems Roy has build a program which suits a more mature player, one who is willing to take a year or two to learn the system and to build up their abilities to thrive in the system.
He's also been gravitating to more grounded individuals, players who're also good students, who'll (hopefully) ensure no repeats of the scrutiny the program has endured.

Also, and maybe it's just worked out this way, there's been very little 'recruiting over' by Roy. He seems to give players PT, but they're needing to earn it on the practice floor and then on the game court when given the chance.

That's not to say there isn't room for OAD type talent, but there isn't a need to land every big fish in every class.

And remember, not every big fish will do well in the program Roy's built.

All that said, the next two years are familiar to those of us who've been watching for some time now. This year feels like '05 and '09, not because of championship expectations, but from the knowledge that several players will/may not be back.

So, Roy has been going for the big fish, and may land some who only play a year. That too will be cool with me as long as the nature of the program remains as is.

 

[gary-7]

This is the key guys, what sort of program does all stakeholders want?
In order, those stakeholders are probably: The University, the boosters, the staff, the students, the fans.

With that in mind it seems Roy has build a program which suits a more mature player, one who is willing to take a year or two to learn the system and to build up their abilities to thrive in the system.
He's also been gravitating to more grounded individuals, players who're also good students, who'll (hopefully) ensure no repeats of the scrutiny the program has endured.

Also, and maybe it's just worked out this way, there's been very little 'recruiting over' by Roy. He seems to give players PT, but they're needing to earn it on the practice floor and then on the game court when given the chance.

That's not to say there isn't room for OAD type talent, but there isn't a need to land every big fish in every class.

And remember, not every big fish will do well in the program Roy's built.

All that said, the next two years are familiar to those of us who've been watching for some time now. This year feels like '05 and '09, not because of championship expectations, but from the knowledge that several players will/may not be back.

So, Roy has been going for the big fish, and may land some who only play a year. That too will be cool with me as long as the nature of the program remains as is.

Agree. It speaks (good) volumes that Roy brought an OAD lottery player like Marvin Williams off the bench. That was where he fit best as a freshman on that particular team, but I can tell ya most coaches would have started him come hell or high water. Now granted, Marvin was an exceptionally well-grounded kid, but so are most of the elite guys we bring in, including our current group of sophomores.

You are right, next year's team will look very different --- National Championship or not. As silly as it is with NBA mindsets, non-Big Men get stale to the execs beyond two years in college. Thus, Justin's draft potential peaks this season --- if he doesn't regress he's a guaranteed first-rounder, lottery if he finishes strong. Also, since it's already been brought up, I can tell you that unless something changes, Kennedy intends to enter the draft as well.

The good news is we can still be pretty doggone good thanks to the 3 former HS AAs likely returning for us. There's a very good chance we'll have Berry back and going for the Cousy Award, Theo coming into his own as a 30 min/g all-around demon, and Hicks becoming a dominant inside scorer.... pretty good anchors for a team supplemented with veterans and a nice freshman class!

 

[Steat]

If Hicks continues to improve and the Heels win the title I doubt he will be back.

 

[DSouthr]

Listen, ACC play hasn't even started. Nobody here is correct as of now, there is too much bball left. Is he a can't miss guy? No. Is he already a bust not living up to expectations? No. Right now it's somewhere in the middle. He struggled early on against stiff competition as mentioned above. Maybe he needed time to adjust or maybe he just isn't as good as originally believed which it appears is where South is leaning; however, he has looked darn good lately. NOBODY expected Winslow to be what he was and he wasn't THAT until middle of the year at best. This is a wait and see deal.

First, I have not called the kid A BUST unless there were folks (and there actually were) that believed this kid was Kevin Durant. I have NEVER said anything other than the kid is a big time talent but that nonsense of him being a 2 guard was clearly nonsense. I don't know how good the kid can be and no one else here does either, not until he fills out that weakly frame of his.

I have said all along, Ingram to me is John Henson as a freshman, maybe a bit better jump shooter but like Henson, he is a 4 that needs to fill out before you can really see what is there. Any team, I mean ANY NBA willing to risk a 1st round pick on him in the next draft, at least as of right now, needs to FIRE the GM that made such a poor decision.

Understand my point, if Ingram goes in the next draft, I have no doubt there are many NBA teams that would risk their 1st round pick on him, maybe even early lotto, but it is not the smart move. By the time he actually gets to the point he could help your team win he leaves for another team willing to pay him more. You get to pay huge bucks for his on the job training and when he gets good at the job your competition get all the benefits of it. I am not fond of training my competition and I like paying big bucks for the priveledge of training my competition even less!