Brooks to visit this weekend
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That's one possibility. Or, one or two of them could be happy with a 4yr back-up role with a chance of ACC titles, championship games, etc. kinda like a Byron sanders career.
Zion Williamson is already a pro and he has two more years of fricking HS to play. He will be at the Chic fil la basketball tournament against a ton of major D1 talent, although the seeding has not been put up yet so do not know what teams Spartanburg Day will play. Kid likes USC, Clemson, Duke, UNC. The question with a kid like him, much like Marvin Bagley or Karl Anthony Townes, Andrew Wiggins, and Simmonds is if they want to actually unpack their suitcase or not...would have to at UNC. I assume everyone must be thinking watch out for Coach Cal with him. If he becomes a Gamecock he can dominate and in 8 months he is visiting NBA lottery GM's. IDK what the kids wants out of his time in the NCAA, so FWIW
Zion has OAD written all over him. I doubt seriously he'll select UNC for his obligatory college sentence. Not even considering that idea.
Let me put it this way, sure hope we do not forget to recruit Hamilton really hard. I know I have been told that we do not lead out of the gate, duke doesn't either. Topps has some good intel on this one but guys, it is very early, to early to predict IMO. Right now I could give you 3 rock solid reasons the kid plays for Clemson but it is so early all of that could change in a matter of days, there are going to be a lot of twists and turns before this kid announces but as I said, don't forget about Hamilton!
I am surprised that Brooks is going thru with this visit, I welcome him, I would love to see him commit, just surprises me is all. It does cause I see it as a tuff road for him to get solid PT, especially if we were to get PJ. To me it becomes a question of how much he believes in his own ability and the coaching. His even coming for the visit tells me he believes.
We, the posters have been so obsessed (myself guilty as well) with Zion that Hamilton has kinda become an after thought but he is an after thought we need to rethink and maybe elevate to more of a priority..
BTW, topic of this thread was Brooks visiting, to me that is a very interesting development, why stay off that hot topic on to a kid that is class of 2018 and no where near a decision? Can we get back on the Brooks visit?
Zion is almost certainly a OAD. Am I correct to think Jairus probably isn't?
Can we have both of them? With both Justin and Theo gone we will probably need someone who can start. Not dissing Brandon. But he and the other candidates who are already on the team will have to grow and bulk up to fit the SF role. Maybe they will, maybe they won't.
From the little I saw of Brandon in scrimmage, I certainly wouldn't rule out him earning the start and being good. But he's so scrawny, it will be a battle to get to that point. I'd rather have him as a tallish SG than a small SF.
Zion better look at PJ Doizer. PJ was supposed to be OAD. Don't believe in that terrible coach USC has.
Garrison? Brooks? Buehler? Anyone?
I think Brooks commits to Carolina within the next week. I don't think you go to all that trouble of debating with your conflicted family, canceling a visit/LNWR, and then reschedule a month later just to check the place out.
As usual, I know nothing, but I think Garrison Brooks is a Tar Heel.
I think Brooks commits to Carolina within the next week. I don't think you go to all that trouble of debating with your conflicted family, canceling a visit/LNWR, and then reschedule a month later just to check the place out.
As usual, I know nothing, but I think Garrison Brooks is a Tar Heel.
Very likely that Justin is gone after this season but Theo will be with us season the 2018 class comes as frosh, would be Theo's senior season. BRob, love for him to come in and have a great frosh season but I suspect we see much more from him as a soph than we will as a frosh. Just really think he needs a full year in our strength and conditioning program, just don't see him as physically strong enough right now, just my opinion. I do see him more as a 2/3 than a 3/2 at this point, maybe he can become a long 2 but we have a lot of 2s.
To be specific about getting both Hamilton and Zion, I think we would be extremely fortunate to get one of them, I don't personally see any way we get them both. And don't forget, we are working a couple of 2019 wings hard and we could go from Theo as a starter at the wing as a senior to a freshman 20419 wing coming in and challenging hard for that spot if we don't get a 2018 wing.
That's very interesting. Did you hear Garrison Brooks is on an OV to Carolina this weekend?
If we sign 5 in 2017 than potentially we would only have one ship left in the 2018 class. Bradley could be a two year player or maybe Felton has an incredible freshman season and ends up OAD, but signing five in 2017 would mean a player would have to leave early or Maye would have to give up his ship for a year to sign more than three in 2018 (Rechon Black/White are already on board).
I dont know the timing but i agree. He def is very interested to go through rescheduling the visit.
I agree with Cota. Brooks visiting is very significant to me. I just don't see him rescheduling if he wasn't very interested. Love to see him commit this weekend!
The 2018 class will be frosh in the 2018-19 season. Theo will be gone.
I make that mistake sometimes, too.
If Shea doesn't have a guaranteed scholarship, doesn't that give us another spot if we need it?
If we were to get Stokes in 2017 and Zion in 2018, we'd have 2 wrecking balls in the middle of our lineup. Two bulls in a china shop at the same time can break a lot of china. Assuming they can stay out of foul trouble.
Ned, hard not to kinda think in those terms actually. I can give you a bunch of reasons why this visit surprises me and I think most here, can only be explained by his having UNC in his heart in my opinion.
I think if I would have asked this board before Huffman committed, would you prefer to have Huffman, Manley, and Brooks or maybe 2 of the 3 and wait on PJ, a lot of folks would have been inclined to say give me all 3 birds in the hand, give me the done deal as opposed to the maybe of. Recall, before Huffman committed we were staring directly at a season with maybe Tony and Luke as our big men and who knows how long we will have Tony.
WWJD mentioned that Theo would be gone by the time a 2018 recruit got to us, yeah, my mistake, he is going in to this Jr season in HS just as Theo is going in to his Jr season in college. So thanks for that catch !
I also recall when we were looking good for Huffman, Stokes, Manley, and Brooks, folks seemed more in the Brooks corner than any of the other 3, myself maybe being a lone exception or at best one of a very few. Now we have Huffman and Manley, where is the passion for Brooks gone? Now I am the guy saying let's get Brooks to and seems like folks rather talk about Zion?
If ya really think Huffman is a Joel James like project, which I don't but many seem to, then why are ya not all over this Brooks visit praying we get him? If you really feel Manley is a reach (which I as well do not) then Brooks visit is huge news.
I think some would consider him a wing now, last I heard the kid was 6'7" and still growing, he could be a 4 by the time he gets to us.
I think his weight will keep him on the wing. He's like 170 soaking wet.
Which is fine, I like his versatility at the 3 spot.
2018/19
1. Maye Sr
2. K Williams Sr
3. Bradley Jr
4. Robinson Jr
5. Woods Jr
6. Platek Soph
7. Felton Soph
8. Huffman Soph
9. Manley Soph
10. Black Freshman
11. White Freshman
12. ???? Brooks Soph
13. 2018 recruit
And technically we can give Maye's scholarship to someone else as well. The possibility remains for grabbing Brooks, PJ Washington, AND another 2018 recruit. If Tony leaves after his Soph year that'd be a 2nd slot available for 2018.
In other words, we should be mindful, but don't need to worry about roster limitations.
would Roy pull a scholarship from a player already given one? That doesn't seem like something he'd do.
Regardless, the idea that we'd get 4 bigs in 2017 is simply unrealistic. Our recruiting doesn't have all the hinders of yester-year, but theres simply no evidence to state were going to land all these guys. It still looks like PJ and Vanderbilt are Plan A1/A2 while Brooks is a plan B.
It's like saying we could land Knox, Washington, and Vanderbilt. We certainly could land all those guys, but most people would believe it's not going to happen.
Regardless, the idea that we'd get 4 bigs in 2017 is simply unrealistic. Our recruiting doesn't have all the hinders of yester-year, but theres simply no evidence to state were going to land all these guys. It still looks like PJ and Vanderbilt are Plan A1/A2 while Brooks is a plan B.
It's like saying we could land Knox, Washington, and Vanderbilt. We certainly could land all those guys, but most people would believe it's not going to happen.
Well now that is an interesting question because couple things need to be considered. First Shey Rush is not on scholly he is a invited walk on. Next we have to consider Luke Maye, Luke was as well an invited walk on and got the scholly because one came available. So the first consideration is it the same thing to give a scholly this season to a invited walk on but if you need it back in a future season is it acceptable to take it back. Now understand, this is in theory, not something I would advocate for at this point. You clearly would not want to take back a kid's scholly once given, even thou schollys like this are only 1 year propositions.
But if we are talking Luke Maye we are talking about a strong Carolina boosters son and if Roy had a discussion with Mark along the lines of we can not get PJ because we do not have the scholly, kinda think Mark would VERY likely offer to pay his son's way, considering he was expecting to do that any way. Next, for invited walk ons, consider as well that Luke would be an instate guy tuition wise, but there is an amazing way to find scholarship money out there that rivals what an athletic scholly pays, the difference would not be nearly what you may think it would be. So mark diverts a little of the money he donates to the school anyway and considers the gap between cost and academic type scholly to be a more effective way to help the program. Totally ethical and above board and again, not saying this will happen nor that it would even be needed, just discussing in theory.
Invited walk ons get conditional schollies! They and their families already know that they only get a scholly if we do not fill our quota. Neither of our invitees would have their schollies "taken" they just would not get one because it was not available. The families go into each year uncertain until the last recruit signs. If we need a 6th scholly, it is already there.
I say we accept Brooks if he wants to commit in a heart beat AND then hold out for one of the big 3. I don't see Stokes as an option, but I still see hope for Vandy, Knox, or PJ!
2018 should be a monster class!
I say we accept Brooks if he wants to commit in a heart beat AND then hold out for one of the big 3. I don't see Stokes as an option, but I still see hope for Vandy, Knox, or PJ!
2018 should be a monster class!
Agreed with TPF and Dave. The Maye scholarship is conditional, year to year. Maye is first in line for it if we don't have a full scholarship player to give it to. All parties are on the same page. His scholarship is fully available.
It is not at all like saying we could land 3 OADs who play the same position. Strawman argument there. Don't do that.
Yes, 4 bigs is unrealistic. 3 bigs is not. PJ/Vanderbilt/Knox don't consider themselves bigs. They are hybrid 4's, positionless, 3/4's, big wings, whatever you want to call them. Adding another true big like Brooks should actually appeal to these 3 players as it all but assures that they wouldn't be stuck in the post. For whatever amount they'd like to play in the post, they would start over Huffman, Manley, or Brooks for as long as they want to. Once they go pro, probably along with Tony, add Maye to the 3 true bigs and that's your 4 man rotation at the 4 and 5 spots. What's the problem?
Disagree. From what I read when Maye committed, he was promised a scholarship for his three remaining seasons after his freshman season. Now maybe there is wiggle room since Maye got a ship his freshman year he did not think he would receive, so Maye might want to pay it forward by giving up his ship for one of his other three years at UNC but his ship is not conditional.
Maye is not an invited walk-on though, he was told that he could walk-on for his freshman year and than receive a ship for his remaining three seasons at UNC. Perhaps Maye is willing to pay it forward since he did receive a ship for his freshman season, but I am not sure he should have to give up his ship to sign Brooks.
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2017/18
1. Maye Jr
2. K Williams Jr
3. Bradley So
4. Robinson So
5. Woods So
6. Platek Fr
7. Felton Fr
8. Huffman Fr
9. Manley Fr
10. Brooks Fr
11. Berry Sr
12. Pinson Sr
13. Jackson Sr (gone)
Assuming Jackson leaves this year, that frees up a spot for an OAD from '16, and Maye keeps his scholarship.
2018/19
1. Maye Sr
2. K Williams Sr
3. Bradley Jr
4. Robinson Jr
5. Woods Jr
6. Platek Soph
7. Felton Soph
8. Huffman Soph
9. Manley Soph
10. Black Freshman
11. White Freshman
12. Brooks Soph
13. 2018 recruit
Assuming the OAD leaves (Bradley could too) Maye keeps his scholarship here too.
1. Maye Jr
2. K Williams Jr
3. Bradley So
4. Robinson So
5. Woods So
6. Platek Fr
7. Felton Fr
8. Huffman Fr
9. Manley Fr
10. Brooks Fr
11. Berry Sr
12. Pinson Sr
13. Jackson Sr (gone)
Assuming Jackson leaves this year, that frees up a spot for an OAD from '16, and Maye keeps his scholarship.
2018/19
1. Maye Sr
2. K Williams Sr
3. Bradley Jr
4. Robinson Jr
5. Woods Jr
6. Platek Soph
7. Felton Soph
8. Huffman Soph
9. Manley Soph
10. Black Freshman
11. White Freshman
12. Brooks Soph
13. 2018 recruit
Assuming the OAD leaves (Bradley could too) Maye keeps his scholarship here too.
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