I like Jairus Hamilton. I hope we continue to stay on him. We need everyone in the top 50 we can get.
Brooks to visit this weekend
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I've heard along the lines of what johnV was saying. It's simply too convoluted. Why take a scholarship from someone already on the team and give it to a guy who may be in school for the same amount of time? This is the type of stuff many of us condemn teams like Arizona for.
I've seen zero indication of PJ wanting to be a hybrid 4. Vanderbilt can be a hybird 4, but whether he wants to play that type of player remains to be seen. Just because they can does not mean they will.
This sounds like the logic some of us tried to spin on Knox about playing the 4. He's stated that he's a wing and is not interested in playing the 4. Now we're trying to take PJ and do the opposite. This is dream logic, and should simply not be entertained as realistic.
Now if we've given up the chance of getting Knox or PJ, then I say we make a push for Brooks. Otherwise, I'm not buying it. Especially that 2018 will have more potential in the "elite big" category than we had in 2017. The rewards simply don't outweigh the risk and effort. 3 multi-year bigs + 1 Hybrid Big in the exact same class isn't . We're take a tripled risk that they don't pan out, then face a mass exodus in size later down the line.
I'd feel safer with a Sophomore Huffman & Manley and a talented 2018 big. Potentially going along with Maye and Bradley.
He's a preferred walk on. Just like Jackson Simmons was. His scholarship is contingent upon availability. There's nothing shady or rude or Zona like about it.
You mention the risk of taking 3 bigs. What about the risks of not taking them, striking out on an OAD, and potentially losing Bradley after 1 or 2 years. You ok with a 2018 frontcourt of Maye, Huffman, and Bradley? That's a bigger risk to me than having too many big men and having 4 years to plan for their departure.
If signing program bigs kept us out of the running for OADs I would vote no on Brooks. But there's nothing about the potential makeup of this roster that would scare off a OAD big in the next 2 classes. If they're too good as Juniors to recruit bigs under them then that's a great problem to have.
You mention the risk of taking 3 bigs. What about the risks of not taking them, striking out on an OAD, and potentially losing Bradley after 1 or 2 years. You ok with a 2018 frontcourt of Maye, Huffman, and Bradley? That's a bigger risk to me than having too many big men and having 4 years to plan for their departure.
If signing program bigs kept us out of the running for OADs I would vote no on Brooks. But there's nothing about the potential makeup of this roster that would scare off a OAD big in the next 2 classes. If they're too good as Juniors to recruit bigs under them then that's a great problem to have.
I remember the big hopes for the future..Ingram, Bam, Giles, just wait!..strike while iron is hot,,2018 recruits not guaranteed UNC and those that "talented'-you mean at the 4 position,who can shoot from 15 and back and post, those likely coveting OAD development
And we were told 2016 would be too... Forgive me for being cautious and in "show me" mode for 2018.
That's why you take 'em when you can get 'em. A bird in the hand...
True, but as myself, DSouthr and others have said many times, the NCAA mess is only a portion of what has hurt recruiting and I would argue that the "perception" is hurting much more right now than the NCAA mess.
Guessing this might be indicative of the level of confidence in pj? Also think we will get Brooks now, and that will be it for 2017 except maybe Knox.
You would think that if posters believe that the NCAA mess is the primary culprit that has hurt recruiting they would want the fifth ship saved for 2018 if Washington/Knox do not commit.
It would seem logical if Roy believes that the NCAA mess is even 10% of the reason why top 25 bigs are still being elusive in this class to save the fifth ship for 2018 (if Washington/Knox commit elsewhere).
I tend to agree. I will say brooks is my favorite of the 3 of Huffman, manley, Brooks. But having said that, if we dont land Knox or PJ(which is looking more and more unlikely) then its a bit of a strange move to me to take him. I understand we need big bodies next year, but we also need ready to play big bodies, so for my money I agree with your line of thinking.
Who believed 2017 would be a monster class? I did'nt: I've always said 2017 will be a good to great class (I believe it is already) and 2018 will be a monster. If we get a 5* this year with what we already have, then 2017 IS a monster class!
So what would be the difference between a "monster" and a "great class"? Lots of peeps thought 2016 was going to be an excellent class. I personally don't consider 1 5* a monster class. Phelps , Reese , Montoross, Rozier and Sullivan was a monster class and so was Stack, 'Sheed and McInnis..
I also wonder what is considered a "monster" class as well. Rechon Black and Coby White is a great start for 2018, but would it be a "monster" class with one additional player only (a real possibility if we take 5 in 2017) even if the third player is Zion Williamson?
I did. And I think a lot of us did.
Jalek committed early and got us off to a great start. We expected the NCAA mess to finally be behind us. We had plenty of PT to offer. We felt good about getting 1 or 2 top-25 bigs.
Now of course we might still get a top guy before the dust settles. In which case this will be a very good class. Maybe not monster, but very good.
What puzzles me about the 2017 class is that we offered 11 guys ranked 3 to 38 - but then nobody ranked lower than 132 (Brooks).
In the past if Roy offered 11 guys ranked 3-38, we would have expected to get 2 or 3 of them. Plus, he would have offered some guys in the 40-80 range, too.
Why the change of tactic?
In the past if Roy offered 11 guys ranked 3-38, we would have expected to get 2 or 3 of them. Plus, he would have offered some guys in the 40-80 range, too.
Why the change of tactic?
^ I've also wondered why we didn't target bigs in the 40-80 range for 2017. Nate Watson was a guy they might could've got and we backed off for some reason.
IIRC,change in tactics, during the summer, no bigs hurrying to visit, it seemed all of them were indicating "we will decide in spring"...PJ had a surprise unofficial had to be a good thing..some of the heralded bigs, too much of headache, never got an offer...a few commits unexpected...i.e. Robinson to WKU
Maybe Roy feels that Huffman/Manley/Brooks have more upside and are better fits athletically than the bigs available in the 40-80 range in the 2017 class.
Yep all that. We lost our early on Tilmon too. I do wonder what happened with Watson or why nothing materialized with a guy like Xavier Tillman.
2017 is good and could be great with the addition of a 5*. 2018 is great and could be monster with the addition of Zion.
With these two classes even if neither changes Roy has solidified our residence in the top 10 and contention every year for the for the foreseeable future. This is MONSTER recruiting and masterful coaching!
With these two classes even if neither changes Roy has solidified our residence in the top 10 and contention every year for the for the foreseeable future. This is MONSTER recruiting and masterful coaching!
I sure hope that's the case.
Another possibility was that he was all in on getting several of those top guys and really thought he could with the NCAA clouds clearing and lot of PT to offer. So he didn't want to offer guys in the next tier because they might use up the scholarships that were intended for guys like Carter or Bamba or Knox.
As we have discussed, you don't scare off guys like PJ when you sign someone like Huffman because Huff won't start ahead of PJ. But if a couple of bigs in that 40-80 ranking range jump at the chance to play for Roy, that might start looking like a logjam. Then again that doesn't scare people away from UK or Duke, so why should it scare them away from us?
Roy offered guys he felt he could coach, guys he feels will help us. I do think we were surprised at a couple early commits of Tillman and Robinson but that is how it goes. Roy took his shot at Bamba, he can not do any more than he has to get PJ.
It is important to realize, how things look now is not the way things looked a few months ago. It was near desperation time a few months ago, after Tillman and Robinson came off the board Roy had to get big men he could get, getting 2 guys was uber important at that time. Now with these 2 big men in the fold we do not have that same level of desperation but now we have kinda gone in to a mode of being critical of why we didn't get a better pair of bigs?
Now we batted around a list of 4 star guys for at least a couple months right here, before we got Huffman and Manley. There were a couple I wanted us to get involved with, specifically a couple of 7ft kids but Ikey has been falling in the rankings and the other kid is a Cali kid and you guys know how Cali big men have worked out for us recently. Roy recruited nationally but the big men he got are kids from the south where UNC is strong.
Personally, I really like the 2 we got and I love the prospect of getting PJ and/or Brooks, yes that is and/or not just or. If we come out of this with just Huffman/Manley/Brooks I think we will be fine, I think we will come out of this with PJ and if that happens I as well think we will be fine. I am absolutely gonna refuse to be upset if we come out of this class with 3 big men 6'9" or more even if none of them are 5 stars, they hit our area of need and they can all play and IMO they can all play well enough to be productive for us.
That pretty much sums it up Dave. Roy clearly wanted more out of this class but still got plenty for us to be excited about. There's no reason to throw a pity party because we nabbed a 5star guard, a shooter, and 3 bigs who will be with the program for awhile. That's a large foundation class ahead of a pretty serious exodus with at least Britt, Meeks, Hicks, and Jackson all leaving. We couldn't screw this one up and we didn't.
[Sidenote: I'm pretty sure you mean Jeremiah Tilmon and not Xavier Tillman as the early commit we missed out on along with Robinson. That's confused people this entire recruiting cycle.]
FYI guys: Auburn's recruiting guys are now conceding Brooks to UNC "if he has a committable offer".
We shall see.
I think he commits this weekend. I think it also means PJ's headed to UK, which isn't much of a surprise.
I heard a 247 Auburn insider thinks Brooks to UNC, I would be SHOCKED if Brooks offer is not committable, if it had become conditionable I believe Roy would have told him by now and doubt the kid would visit if he didn't think he had a commitable offer. Just my opinion !
Ah, yeah of little faith...LOLUnless your name is David.
Damn there is a LOT of confidence about Brooks
I hope it turns out well for us. Not going to get my hopes up.... do not like to be disappointed.
I hope it turns out well for us. Not going to get my hopes up.... do not like to be disappointed.
I like Brooks' game, but we need to hope for a Knox commit to round out this class if we get Brooks instead of PJ. no doubt about it.
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