Carson Steps In It...

[strummingram]

Yeah, thats not how it works. Many a Montana congressman has appointed a kid from Virginia.

West Point decides who they want, then slotted to congressmen. I knew a kid who played lacrosse, was recruited by West Point lacrosse coach, told to apply, and them appointed by a congressman from Idaho.

If General Westmoreland told a kid he was in, then the kid was in. And in 1969, any smart, black kid who was XO of Detroit ROTC could have gone to any of the service academies and they would have sent a plane to pick him up.

And I find it completely plausible that any officer trying to recruit a kid for West Point would call it an appointment a scholarship during initial conversation. The only thing that actually makes an appointment different than a scholarship is that a grad has to serve 8 years. I could imagine an officer forgetting to bring that part up while recruiting.

The only reason this bothers Strum is because he doesnt like Carson. Were it Ron Paul, Strum would actually not have a word to say, which I know is tough to believe.

I don't "dislike" Carson at all. I find many of his views to be absurd, some of his statements to be untrue (or at least intentionally misleading), but he's not someone I dislike. I wouldn't vote for him. I'm just sharing what's being reported. I wouldn't have voted for him even if this story were true.

Ron Paul never lied about or embellished his military service. He never needed to. Thanks for reminding me.

 

[Nuk'EM Heels]

Lol we've already established that you don't care about him saying idiotic things. Which confirms that you're the type he's trying to pander to by saying the aforementioned stupid things.

Well, pretty much everything you post here is stupid, so you must be the master panderer...

 

[UNC71-00]

I don't "dislike" Carson at all. I find many of his views to be absurd, some of his statements to be untrue (or at least intentionally misleading), but he's not someone I dislike. I wouldn't vote for him. I'm just sharing what's being reported. I wouldn't have voted for him even if this story were true.

Ron Paul never lied about or embellished his military service. He never needed to. Thanks for reminding me.

Didn't he lie about travel bills? Just tell me the deal- don't make me go research it.

 

[UNC71-00]

https://www.yahoo.com/politics/ben-carsons-campaign-admits-he-lied-about-west-181600104.html

Did you read the article or are you unaware you are citing nonsense?

 

[strummingram]

Did you read the article or are you unaware you are citing nonsense?

I heard him say, with exact words, what he's been accused of saying. That's why I linked the article... for the video.

 

[strummingram]

Didn't he lie about travel bills? Just tell me the deal- don't make me go research it.

I have no idea about travel bills. I don't REALLY care about the guy. It just seems pretty foolish to embellish like that. It's just as foolish for the media to blow it out of proportion. I have nothing personal against Carson at all. He's actually a bit more likable than most of the chicken-hawks the GOP usually peddles-out.

 

[Nuk'EM Heels]

So, shouldn't you have to make a declaration when you have established an alter ego? Strum = 'boy...

 

[strummingram]

So, shouldn't you have to make a declaration when you have established an alter ego? Strum = 'boy...

You should, I guess... but, I haven't. Personally, I think it's pretty low to create alternate names on here. I think it's hilarious that some of you guys think we're the same person. Technically, all of us are part of one body and one experience. But, that's going way over your traditional religious understanding of everything.

 

[Nuk'EM Heels]

You should, I guess... but, I haven't. Personally, I think it's pretty low to create alternate names on here. I think it's hilarious that some of you guys think we're the same person. Technically, all of us are part of one body and one experience. But, that's going way over your traditional religious understanding of everything.

You wouldn't be the first to do it here...

 

[strummingram]

You wouldn't be the first to do it here...

Well, I'm the only me here. Believe whatever you like.

 

[uncboy10]

Lol I'm flattered but one glance at our profile info shows that my account is two years older than strums. Not very bright are ya Nukey?...

 

[strummingram]

Bernie Sanders Blasts Media For Focusing On Ben Carson's Biography Instead Of His Policies
"I know it's a crazy idea, but maybe we focus on the issues impacting the American people."

Marina FangAssociate Politics Editor, The Huffington Post

Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) called out the media on Sunday for scrutinizing GOP presidential candidate Ben Carson's personal story, thereby diverting attention away from his policy positions.

“I think it might be a better idea, I know it's a crazy idea, but maybe we focus on the issues impacting the American people and what candidates are saying, rather than just spending so much time exploring their lives of 30 or 40 years ago,” Sanders, who is running for the Democratic presidential nomination, said on NBC’s “Meet the Press.” “And I think the reason that so many people are turned off to the political process has a lot to do with the fact that we're not talking about the real issues impacting real people.”


Sanders shrugged off the revelations this week that the famed neurosurgeon may have exaggerated key parts of his life story. Instead, consistent with his campaign mantra, Sanders urged voters and the media to focus on policy.

The senator specifically cited some of Carson’s hard-line conservative positions on climate change and health care as issues that have been overshadowed by the numerous reports on about his personal story.

“When you look at Dr. Carson, to the best of my knowledge, this man does not believe that climate change is caused by human activity. This man wants to abolish Medicare, impacting tens of millions of seniors, and this man wants to give huge tax breaks to the rich,” Sanders said.

Carson’s life story, as detailed in his best-selling memoir, Gifted Hands, has been a crucial component of his pitch to Republican voters. But Sanders told host Chuck Todd that while he found the controversy “interesting,” voters ultimately do not care.

“Look, I listened to the interviews with Dr. Carson. And it's interesting," he said. "But you know what, Chuck? The American people want to know why the middle class of this country is disappearing, why we have 47 million people living in poverty, why we have massive income and wealth inequality.”

 

[gunslingerdick]

Technically, all of us are part of one body and one experience.

 

[gunslingerdick]

 

[heelmanwilm]

Welcome to being a legit candidate ben. There'll be more.

 

[strummingram]

AT least he doesn't adorn his home with narcissistic art.

I wonder if Charlotte is weaving a web that says "HUMBLE" in the corner of a door somewhere int he home.

 

[Tru Blu Tar Heel]

nfm

 

[randman1]

Well, Wapo is reporting it's poll shows he's the candidate viewed most favorably by Americans. Perhaps his enemies should have focussed on how he adorns his home rather than making up complete lies.

 

[strummingram]

Well, Wapo is reporting it's poll shows he's the candidate viewed most favorably by Americans. Perhaps his enemies should have focussed on how he adorns his home rather than making up complete lies.

Making up complete lies? Where?

Making a big deal out of foolish, off-the-cuff embellishments, maybe. But, I don't see them making up complete lies.

 

[randman1]

Making up complete lies? Where?

Making a big deal out of foolish, off-the-cuff embellishments, maybe. But, I don't see them making up complete lies.

Total lies:

1. The campaign did not admit to "fabricating" anything. That was an absurd lie and should be the end of the discussion based on that headline smear alone.

2. West Point describes appointments as a scholarship. To suggest Carson's language was wrong then is either a lie or shows a media outlet unwilling to do their job. My guess is they lied knowingly.

3. Carson never stated or suggested he applied. Lie number 3 by Politico.

4. Carson was indeed "offered" a scholarship. That's how recruitment happens. He turned it down and didn't apply. The suggestion he was making stuff up is a lie.

5. The WSJ claimed there were dubious claims in the narrative in his books. Problem is the claims are easily verified despite their claiming they were not. The story, for example, of the class and prank at Yale has a paper trail and has been proven. The WSJ suggested there was no evidence. They also interviewed a few people that didn't even claim to be present. Just shoddy and frankly appeared to be deliberate smears and lies.

I could go on but isn't this ridiculous to dredge up minute things from near 50 years ago. Plus Carson has been vindicated quite easily on them all.

 

[strummingram]

Total lies:

1. The campaign did not admit to "fabricating" anything. That was an absurd lie and should be the end of the discussion based on that headline smear alone.

2. West Point describes appointments as a scholarship. To suggest Carson's language was wrong then is either a lie or shows a media outlet unwilling to do their job. My guess is they lied knowingly.

3. Carson never stated or suggested he applied. Lie number 3 by Politico.

4. Carson was indeed "offered" a scholarship. That's how recruitment happens. He turned it down and didn't apply. The suggestion he was making stuff up is a lie.

5. The WSJ claimed there were dubious claims in the narrative in his books. Problem is the claims are easily verified despite their claiming they were not. The story, for example, of the class and prank at Yale has a paper trail and has been proven. The WSJ suggested there was no evidence. They also interviewed a few people that didn't even claim to be present. Just shoddy and frankly appeared to be deliberate smears and lies.

I could go on but isn't this ridiculous to dredge up minute things from near 50 years ago. Plus Carson has been vindicated quite easily on them all.

Ben Carson did, in fact, fabricate this story.

 

[UNC71-00]

No, he did not fabricate anything. It is simple to read his actual words (as I did in the Esquire piece) and see that he was saying that he had been recruited for USMA and was told he was in (which no doubt he would have been).

And the rest of the logic and sleuth work used by that writer is so pathetic that Dan Kane is laughing. You should be embarrassed for posting such a link, Stum, unless of course you were being sarcastic, in which case well done. But I doubt it.

But by all means Strum, keep with your predisposed bias that any politician who's last name isn't Paul is a liar.

 

[strummingram]

It is simple to read his actual words (as I did in the Esquire piece)

Apparently it's not.

 

[UNC71-00]

Apparently it's not.

Dude, that article was a joke. If you want to stake your credibility to it, then that's on you brother.

 

[strummingram]

Dude, that article was a joke. If you want to stake your credibility to it, then that's on you brother.

Stake MY credibility? I think it was fairly concise.

 

[UNC71-00]

Stake MY credibility? I think it was fairly concise.

What was concise?

 

[UNC71-00]

Strum- what is your agenda here?

A). Just want to argue
B). Trying to discredit Carson because you don't like him
C). Trying to discredit Carson because you don't like any politicians
D) Other- please elaborate.

 

[randman1]

Strum needs to leave it alone. The baseless lies and charges have now been so debunked, it's a joke, and anyone still insisting they are true when it's undeniably wrong and incorrect is indeed harming their credibility as an intellectually competent or honest person (take your pick). There are plenty of other reasons to like or dislike Carson or any candidate without invoking baseless lies and character assassination.

 

[prlyles]

I think this shows how feared and hated a conservative black is to the left wingers.

 

[Heels in Space]

I agree that this is kind of a mountain out of a molehill, but it was absolutely a legitimate question to ask. Because he has no political record, Carson is running on his personal story, the majority of which is told in his two books. Those should be subject to the strictest scrutiny because they are a first-person account of what type of person Carson is or claims to be. Politico went too far, characterizing as "lies" what were really just minor embellishments. But Carson needs to be prepared for questions about his past, like all candidates do.

 

[strummingram]

Strum needs to leave it alone. The baseless lies and charges have now been so debunked, it's a joke, and anyone still insisting they are true when it's undeniably wrong and incorrect is indeed harming their credibility as an intellectually competent or honest person (take your pick). There are plenty of other reasons to like or dislike Carson or any candidate without invoking baseless lies and character assassination.

That's true... he lacks any viable economic or international policy understanding. He seems to believe the Earth is 6,000 years old.

He's great at repeating "conservative" talking points, whatever they may be, and as indistinct as they may be. Typically they are cast as the opposite of "liberal" talking points, which usually amounts to reactions to something that has happened publicly.

I don't care if he's black, white, purple or orange. I don't see him as being "black" at all. His skin color is very certainly going to be exploited by political powers. You'd be a fool not to in today's race-obsessed society.

I just see a man that has heavily embellished aspects of his past to make his present appear to be more appealing in a political sense and gain favor as a result. The Esquire article I linked was written by a former Lt. Colonel who went into great detail backing-up his information and why and how Carson's need to stand by his lie/embellishment looks even worse. In a political sense, Carson does show that he has the one necessary element to be a politician- he can lie with the best of them and has just enough narcissism to make him a hit with the American people... especially the allegedly "conservative" ones.

Personally, I couldn't care less if he was a potential West Point candidate. If he was? Great. But, what's the point in embellishing where it's completely unnecessary? In doing so, he has made, what should have been, a non-issue into a national scandal. And, of course, the "right" will back him no matter what is said or brought-out about it and the "left" will continue to hold him in contempt.

Apparently his medical credentials are impeccable. But, he's not applying for chief surgeon or hospital administrator here. It's similar to Trump... except Trump LOVES attention. He's the epitome of narcissism.

 

[nctransplant]

I have no problems with candidates from both sides being heavily vetted. How many reporters have asked Hillary about the email to the Egyptian president and her daughter saying the Benghazi attack was a terrorist attack but telling the families it was the result of a video? Are they going to bring up events of her past? What are her accomplishments exactly?

 

[UNC71-00]

That's true... he lacks any viable economic or international policy understanding. He seems to believe the Earth is 6,000 years old.

He's great at repeating "conservative" talking points, whatever they may be, and as indistinct as they may be. Typically they are cast as the opposite of "liberal" talking points, which usually amounts to reactions to something that has happened publicly.

I don't care if he's black, white, purple or orange. I don't see him as being "black" at all. His skin color is very certainly going to be exploited by political powers. You'd be a fool not to in today's race-obsessed society.

I just see a man that has heavily embellished aspects of his past to make his present appear to be more appealing in a political sense and gain favor as a result. The Esquire article I linked was written by a former Lt. Colonel who went into great detail backing-up his information and why and how Carson's need to stand by his lie/embellishment looks even worse. In a political sense, Carson does show that he has the one necessary element to be a politician- he can lie with the best of them and has just enough narcissism to make him a hit with the American people... especially the allegedly "conservative" ones.

Personally, I couldn't care less if he was a potential West Point candidate. If he was? Great. But, what's the point in embellishing where it's completely unnecessary? In doing so, he has made, what should have been, a non-issue into a national scandal. And, of course, the "right" will back him no matter what is said or brought-out about it and the "left" will continue to hold him in contempt.

Apparently his medical credentials are impeccable. But, he's not applying for chief surgeon or hospital administrator here. It's similar to Trump... except Trump LOVES attention. He's the epitome of narcissism.

So what's your agenda?

 

[strummingram]

Strum- what is your agenda here?

A). Just want to argue
B). Trying to discredit Carson because you don't like him
C). Trying to discredit Carson because you don't like any politicians
D) Other- please elaborate.

I elaborated. The Esquire article was very concise. The author gave the entire issue a thorough analysis and backed-up his statements along the way. It's not favorable to Carson, but it's still what I consider objective and honest. If you are concerned about Carson's chances, don't be. Americans love dishonesty! He claims to be "conservative", so every "conservative" will follow him with lock-step precision. He's black, so that will appeal to any racial insecurities they ever felt about Obama. And, I have no doubt that he will do exactly as he's told once he's in office. He shows no evidence of any kind of resolve toward a standard or policy or statute that we have in place. He's basically only shown that he's a devout Seventh-Day Adventist and a brain surgeon. Yay!

 

[strummingram]

So what's your agenda?

The only agenda MIGHT BE to ideally see some integrity and adherence to constitutional policy in government. To see serious consideration given to the delegate processes and a form of government that resembles a Republic, not a reality TV show that's run by banking criminals and constant glorification of war. Lame, boring sh*t like that.

 

[heelmanwilm]

The evangelicals support carson no matter what

The far left support sanders no matter what

Dems support hillary no matter what

Far right support trump no matter what

Repubs havent made up their mind yet.

Independents vote based on their wallet, no matter what

 

[strummingram]

The evangelicals support carson no matter what

The far left support sanders no matter what

Dems support hillary no matter what

Far right support trump no matter what

Repubs havent made up their mind yet.

Independents vote based on their wallet, no matter what

And nowhere in that mix is there evidence of any importance on policy and adherence to the Constitution or resolve to honor the laws of the land. It's pandering, showmanship, concealing sordid pasts, and promising free sh*t that can't be delivered.

 

[randman1]

That's true... he lacks any viable economic or international policy understanding. He seems to believe the Earth is 6,000 years old.

He's great at repeating "conservative" talking points, whatever they may be, and as indistinct as they may be. Typically they are cast as the opposite of "liberal" talking points, which usually amounts to reactions to something that has happened publicly.

I don't care if he's black, white, purple or orange. I don't see him as being "black" at all. His skin color is very certainly going to be exploited by political powers. You'd be a fool not to in today's race-obsessed society.

I just see a man that has heavily embellished aspects of his past to make his present appear to be more appealing in a political sense and gain favor as a result. The Esquire article I linked was written by a former Lt. Colonel who went into great detail backing-up his information and why and how Carson's need to stand by his lie/embellishment looks even worse. In a political sense, Carson does show that he has the one necessary element to be a politician- he can lie with the best of them and has just enough narcissism to make him a hit with the American people... especially the allegedly "conservative" ones.

Personally, I couldn't care less if he was a potential West Point candidate. If he was? Great. But, what's the point in embellishing where it's completely unnecessary? In doing so, he has made, what should have been, a non-issue into a national scandal. And, of course, the "right" will back him no matter what is said or brought-out about it and the "left" will continue to hold him in contempt.

Apparently his medical credentials are impeccable. But, he's not applying for chief surgeon or hospital administrator here. It's similar to Trump... except Trump LOVES attention. He's the epitome of narcissism.

First, he didn't embellish. Not even slightly. That was just another lie. Second, although I wouldn't care if believes the earth is 6000 years old, he actually does not and stated that. So you see someone heavily embellishing facts? Except you can't name one time he's done this.

 

[heelmanwilm]

Unfortunately, and i've been guilty of it as well, most voters seem to vote for an image rather than policy.

 

[randman1]

Ben Carson did, in fact, fabricate this story.

Concise? More like longwinded bull-crap. Carson isn't the only person to have been recruited and told he'd be accepted, particularly back then. A long-winded article discussing the history of West Point and their normal application time-lines just obfuscates the issue. Same with the initial bashing of Carson's use of "scholarship" when in reality, West Point itself calls an appointment a scholarship.

In the real world, exceptions to process are made in order to recruit someone if they are highly sought after. That's reality regardless of whatever "rules" are on the book. That's how real life is.

If you don't know that, it's because you either haven't had a lot of life experience, or you never realized that exceptions to rules are often made and just were not paying attention, and that includes rules that supposedly cannot be excepted.