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It's one thing for the group of owners to defy, but the patrons as well. I think some simply dont care.

yea with my Sensei’s after school program he had a lot of support from parents and students in defying the governor and doing business as normal. The most common excuse was “this is media hype to bring down trump”.
 
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yea with my Sensei’s after school program he had a lot of support from parents and students in defying the governor and doing business as normal. The most common excuse was “this is media hype to bring down trump”.
I don't know about bringing down Trump, but a lot of what the media dispenses ain't helping.
 
Yes, I keep checking it throughout the day, and assume the daily cases will continue to rise, especially as more people are tested.
@TarHeelMark Thanks again for sending this. I will check this out daily, but hope to not check it more than once per day.

I work in Ameriprise corporate in downtown Minneapolis. About 3,000 - 4,000 employees in two downtown buildings. Everyone went work from home full time today, until coronavirus is resolved. It has gone remarkably well so far, and i am questioning more and more - why do we all do stuff like commute like 1.5 hours total door-to-door-to-door, sit in traffic, wait for buses, deal with weather, pay for buses and parking, etc....then pay for all the real estate....when something rotational (a few days a week) could work just fine. And we all could spend even half that commute time on work, and be ahead, productivity wise.

I think maybe that is something that will come out of this round of physical distancing and WFH. The exec number crunchers will do the math on what could be saved by WFH, and rotational occasional time in office.

I used to be sort of opposed to WFH because I saw value in talking to people live each day - but the technology has improved to where it makes a lot of sense to work from home often for some people. We can easily communicate (see and talk to) people around the world, in a group meeting, just as if they were in the same room. I started thinking....no way was that possible for a lot of work environments even like 20 years ago.
 
@TarHeelMark Thanks again for sending this. I will check this out daily, but hope to not check it more than once per day.

I work in Ameriprise corporate in downtown Minneapolis. About 3,000 - 4,000 employees in two downtown buildings. Everyone went work from home full time today, until coronavirus is resolved. It has gone remarkably well so far, and i am questioning more and more - why do we all do stuff like commute like 1.5 hours total door-to-door-to-door, sit in traffic, wait for buses, deal with weather, pay for buses and parking, etc....then pay for all the real estate....when something rotational (a few days a week) could work just fine. And we all could spend even half that commute time on work, and be ahead, productivity wise.

I think maybe that is something that will come out of this round of physical distancing and WFH. The exec number crunchers will do the math on what could be saved by WFH, and rotational occasional time in office.

I used to be sort of opposed to WFH because I saw value in talking to people live each day - but the technology has improved to where it makes a lot of sense to work from home often for some people. We can easily communicate (see and talk to) people around the world, in a group meeting, just as if they were in the same room. I started thinking....no way was that possible for a lot of work environments even like 20 years ago.
Good poast. I don't think there will ever be a true replacement for face-to-face interaction in a business setting, but I completely agree that technology has changed the game. I started working from home 1 day a week a few months ago. That could easily be flipped to being in the office 1 day a week. I'm happier and arguably more productive having that flexibility.
 
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I don't know about bringing down Trump, but a lot of what the media dispenses ain't helping.
Yeah, I don't think the media's goal with this is to bring him down, I think it's to do whatever it can to drive traffic. In this case, nothing gets more views/clicks than fear. Fear just happens to work against Trump in this case.
 
Anyone have reports from their local grocery stores?
I went this morning to grab a few basics. The outer walls of the store -- produce, meats, dairy, etc. -- had been largely wiped out. There was still stuff available but you likely weren't going to get your first choice of products. I bought the only brand of milk they had left and felt lucky to score a dozen eggs. The good news is that the employees were working feverishly to restock, so maybe things will be better later today.

Oh, and you can forget about toilet paper and antiseptic products. Even Amazon is out. I tried to buy some RV toilet paper (a very specific purchase) on Amazon today and they didn't have any. I set up a notification to let me know when they get some in, lol.
 
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Apparently Mexican and Asian stores are still stocked up. Good alternative if you can't find TP.
 
I will forever hate people who hoard
I got lucky. I have to order toilet paper made specially for RVs and boats via Amazon. When I placed my last order, I didn't realize it wouldn't arrive for several weeks. So I bought some more from a different seller that was eligible for Prime and arrived in 2 days. I ended up with more than I needed, but thank goodness I did because now I'm running low again and can't find it anywhere.
 
I have 6 rolls of TP and 5 rolls of paper towels... a big container of the clorox wipes. I will be fine until about June as far as wiping things.

I can ration my food. But, I am trying to arrange to not leave the house- except to ride my bike for recreation, walk the dog, jog, etc,- for at least a month or so. I'm not worried about contact of people outdoors. Outdoor exercise is therapeutic for me. I have work that keeps me indoors anyway!

I would like to get some more food stuffs just in case I have to go longer. I don't eat a whole lot anyway. I wanna stay healthy for some friends locally that might need me. My neighbor is a diabetic and obese. She has to go to dialysis and she is high risk. But, I haven't been "in public" since last Wednesday. I'm going to try for a 2-week stint, maybe more, this next go'round.
 
I got lucky. I have to order toilet paper made specially for RVs and boats via Amazon. When I placed my last order, I didn't realize it wouldn't arrive for several weeks. So I bought some more from a different seller that was eligible for Prime and arrived in 2 days. I ended up with more than I needed, but thank goodness I did because now I'm running low again and can't find it anywhere.
What is the difference between RV toilet paper and regular toilet paper?
 
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I just went to Harris teeter. Milk and eggs were stocked but no bread or pasta. Alot of the canned and frozen vegetables were gone too.

They are now closing at 9PM and reopening at 6am. If I need to go again, it will be first thing. Less people hopefully, and the shelves should be restocked.

these hoarding MFers need to get kung fu'd by @heelmanwilm 's sensei
 
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I'm not a virologist or anything close to knowing WTF I'm talking about... but... doesn't this bug have to infect enough people, regardless of what we do, and eventually lose hosts in which to infect? It dies of not being able to infect anymore?

And, I'm a fairly peace-motivated person... but, after watching some things on You Tube about those wet markets in China??? If you wanna nuke or napalm something??? Drop it on those muthas. (not serious, but they are death factories).
 
I'm not a virologist or anything close to knowing WTF I'm talking about... but... doesn't this bug have to infect enough people, regardless of what we do, and eventually lose hosts in which to infect? It dies of not being able to infect anymore?

And, I'm a fairly peace-motivated person... but, after watching some things on You Tube about those wet markets in China??? If you wanna nuke or napalm something??? Drop it on those muthas. (not serious, but they are death factories).

But then the virus will mutate, so that your immune system isn’t prepared for the next version, like the flu.

Those wet markets definitely need to be shut down ASAP
 
What is it with Asians eating fuked up shit anyway?

cats
Dogs
Shark fins
Tiger bones
Fish heads
Rotten duck eggs
bats, snakes, etc. Probably lots of crawly stuff, too. I saw a video of this Asian guy eating LIVE massive bloated things that looked like giant grub worms in soy sauce, still wiggling around in the dude's mouth. I think I'd starve or kill myself before doing that long term. Made me almost hurl just watching it.
 
And, I'm a fairly peace-motivated person... but, after watching some things on You Tube about those wet markets in China??? If you wanna nuke or napalm something??? Drop it on those muthas. (not serious, but they are death factories).

I know you are kidding about the napalm.... and I know Trump, all of us in US, and especially in Europe have hands more than full dealing with the consequences of the Wuhan virus....but whenever it gets under control....there will have to be some massive hell to pay, and some massive beatdown of China regarding these markets (and rogue reckless labs) and how they let this start, and let it get way out of control, by hiding it, jailing or killing informants, etc.

I think Americans think of things mostly just from the American point of view (I am guilty of that too....) but if you think of the cost of this seemingly containable fkup by the Wuhan wet markets and / or labs - in human lives, life disruption, economic cratering, oil wars, stoked fears....etc.....especially in places like Italy.... which as someone else here said will have lasting negative effects possibly for decades...

there would seem to be a strong global push to come down very hard on these areas / aspects of China and their govt / corporate complex. While I am guessing the impacts have been the worst for Italy, USA will likely be called on to deliver the harshest message and action, since we are the only superpower with significant economic and military leverage over China.
 
I know you are kidding about the napalm.... and I know Trump, all of us in US, and especially in Europe have hands more than full dealing with the consequences of the Wuhan virus....but whenever it gets under control....there will have to be some massive hell to pay, and some massive beatdown of China regarding these markets (and rogue reckless labs) and how they let this start, and let it get way out of control, by hiding it, jailing or killing informants, etc.

I think Americans think of things mostly just from the American point of view (I am guilty of that too....) but if you think of the cost of this seemingly containable fkup by the Wuhan wet markets and / or labs - in human lives, life disruption, economic cratering, oil wars, stoked fears....etc.....especially in places like Italy.... which as someone else here said will have lasting negative effects possibly for decades...

there would seem to be a strong global push to come down very hard on these areas / aspects of China and their govt / corporate complex. While I am guessing the impacts have been the worst for Italy, USA will likely be called on to deliver the harshest message and action, since we are the only superpower with significant economic and military leverage over China.
The best way to punish China is for businesses to start pulling their manufacturing out.
 
I know this will probably be mocked, but something to think about. The first city to be fully blanketed by 5g in the world is Wuhan.
 
What is the difference between RV toilet paper and regular toilet paper?

Thin, breaks down easily in water so as not to clog up the plumbing/holding tank.
Yup. It's single ply. Unlike toilets in your home or work, which are directed into a public sewer or septic system, all excrement and toilet paper go into what's commonly referred to as the "black tank." You're basically storing raw sewage. There is a hose that connects from the black tank to the sewer, but the tank has a valve that you leave closed so that the chemicals (think Rid-X) can break down the waste. That makes it easier to transfer the waste via the hose. Otherwise, if you drop a massive deuce with the valve open, it can clog the hose and nobody wants that.



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I know this will probably be mocked, but something to think about. The first city to be fully blanketed by 5g in the world is Wuhan.
I've seen this being discussed online, so let me be the first here to say it. COVID-19 is a virus. It has absolutely nothing to do with cell phones or wireless technology.
 
points to @Raising Heel for the assist
@Heelicious they have a place on the site where you can make a donation (of boba tea, they say). I just donated a little something myself. They are programmers and first generation Chinese immigrants to the U.S. The head of the project is from Wuhan. Repoast for anyone who missed it:

https://coronavirus.1point3acres.com/en

Incidentally, as of today, the U.S. has 77 deaths and 4,349 confirmed cases, a fatality rate of 1.77%.
 
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@Heelicious they have a place on the site where you can make a donation (of boba tea, they say). I just donated a little something myself. They are programmers and first generation Chinese immigrants to the U.S. The head of the project is from Wuhan. Repoast for anyone who missed it:

https://coronavirus.1point3acres.com/en

Incidentally, as of today, the U.S. has 77 deaths and 4,349 confirmed cases, a fatality rate of 1.77%.
At the start of yesterday, only 60 deaths in US. I think 9 reported yesterday and sounds like it's gonna top that today.

I can't help but check that site frequently as well.
 
But then the virus will mutate, so that your immune system isn’t prepared for the next version, like the flu.

Those wet markets definitely need to be shut down ASAP
That was my point... those markets are disgusting. But, I also learned just how devastating the Chinese suffered in terms of starvation from the Mao-era stuff!

That culture is definitely unique. And, for obvious reasons. That's a pretty "unique" place. And, by unique, I mean... I'd never want to go there.
 
I've seen this being discussed online, so let me be the first here to say it. COVID-19 is a virus. It has absolutely nothing to do with cell phones or wireless technology.

I figured thatd be the response. Theres way more intricacy to it than that but i dont have the time to get into it here, and it would probably be like beating my head against the wall. I encourage people to at least look at it with an open mind and form their own opinions, if they are interested.

And 5g is much, much different than just "wireless technology". anyways, carry on.
 
I know you are kidding about the napalm.... and I know Trump, all of us in US, and especially in Europe have hands more than full dealing with the consequences of the Wuhan virus....but whenever it gets under control....there will have to be some massive hell to pay, and some massive beatdown of China regarding these markets (and rogue reckless labs) and how they let this start, and let it get way out of control, by hiding it, jailing or killing informants, etc.

I think Americans think of things mostly just from the American point of view (I am guilty of that too....) but if you think of the cost of this seemingly containable fkup by the Wuhan wet markets and / or labs - in human lives, life disruption, economic cratering, oil wars, stoked fears....etc.....especially in places like Italy.... which as someone else here said will have lasting negative effects possibly for decades...

there would seem to be a strong global push to come down very hard on these areas / aspects of China and their govt / corporate complex. While I am guessing the impacts have been the worst for Italy, USA will likely be called on to deliver the harshest message and action, since we are the only superpower with significant economic and military leverage over China.
I don't want innocent people killed, no.

But, I think everyone can agree that whatever profits are coming from that disgusting activity isn't worth crippling the planet.

And, of course we view the world from how our culture impacts us and so on. We're barely out of the jungle sometimes, in our mentality.

I believe that China is "western-izing" pretty rapidly. I'm not certain of it, or how rapid that is, but it's not like it was 20 or even 10 years ago.
 
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That was my point... those markets are disgusting. But, I also learned just how devastating the Chinese suffered in terms of starvation from the Mao-era stuff!

That culture is definitely unique. And, for obvious reasons. That's a pretty "unique" place. And, by unique, I mean... I'd never want to go there.

I wouldn’t mind seeing China. Lots of history and culture there to take in. But I’d avoid the wet markets like the plague.

You raised an interesting point. The wet markets are gross but they need a replacement before they get shut down. Starvation is not a solution for bad food safety practices.
 
And 5g is much, much different than just "wireless technology". anyways, carry on.
"5G is the fifth generation wireless technology for digital cellular networks that began wide deployment in 2019." (Wikipedia)

I figured thatd be the response. Theres way more intricacy to it than that but i dont have the time to get into it here, and it would probably be like beating my head against the wall. I encourage people to at least look at it with an open mind and form their own opinions, if they are interested.
Why? Are you an epidemiologist? A public health official?
 
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