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Florida health official says man who died in motorcycle crash listed as coronavirus death - Washington Examiner
Questions are being raised about Florida’s coronavirus death toll reporting after a man who died in a motorcycle accident was listed in the COVID-19 death count. Dr. Raul Pino, an Orange County health officer, told Fox 35 News that a supposed coronavirus victim in his 20s died in a motorcycle...
www.washingtonexaminer.com
Health officials explain: What determines a COVID-19 death
With an increase in deaths attributed to COVID-19 locally and statewide some people are wondering what factors go into determining that a death is a COVID-19 death.
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It happened alot!
Is this a parody post? If not it's a little dismaying. Lots of conspiracy and misinfo on all this, like the election.
522,000 EXCESS deaths (more than expected on a normal yr) happened in just 8 months (late March to end of 2020).
WFH, not working out, and not eating right killed people that quickly? Are you f'ing lost?
You left out the factcheck search-term.Florida health official says man who died in motorcycle crash listed as coronavirus death - Washington Examiner
Questions are being raised about Florida’s coronavirus death toll reporting after a man who died in a motorcycle accident was listed in the COVID-19 death count. Dr. Raul Pino, an Orange County health officer, told Fox 35 News that a supposed coronavirus victim in his 20s died in a motorcycle...
Health officials explain: What determines a COVID-19 death
With an increase in deaths attributed to COVID-19 locally and statewide some people are wondering what factors go into determining that a death is a COVID-19 death.
It happened alot!
If you are going to link me to local news you might as well include the rest of their 'reporting' about Nutty
Doing some legwork for you on that Washington Examiner poast about the Single example of the motorcycle guy - https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/florida-motorcyclist-covid-death/
Debunked!
Debunked!
Corona wasn't a conspiracy or some attack on freedom some on the right still believe it is.
But the messaging from guys like Fauci and Osterholm straight up sucked. CDC can please no one. Left thinks they're a shill for corporations. Right thinks their a communist cabal.
It's year three of this crap. Time to stop pretending there's much we can do about it anymore. Be healthy, wear a mask if you want or don't, take the vaccine if you're at high risk of serious illness, and weigh your own risks accordingly.
But the messaging from guys like Fauci and Osterholm straight up sucked. CDC can please no one. Left thinks they're a shill for corporations. Right thinks their a communist cabal.
It's year three of this crap. Time to stop pretending there's much we can do about it anymore. Be healthy, wear a mask if you want or don't, take the vaccine if you're at high risk of serious illness, and weigh your own risks accordingly.
excess deaths is only one piece of circumstantial evidence, doesn't mean that much by itself.
and wins. 'W's. A tick mark in the win column and a t-shirt, kind of thing.
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Do you have a final source on the numbers from 2020 compared to other years? My quick search only revealed projections, estimates and a lot of debunking of social media posts that were done in Jan 2021. Seems like the data would now be solid and out there as it was a full year ago. Not challenging you, legitimate inquiry as to a reliable source for this info.
good stuff, and that is exactly like it was here when this all started going down. They said go get in your hidey-hole and don't come out until it's over, and that's what the suggestible dimwits were preaching. Trump and many of us tried to say don't overreact and understand how important it is to maintain normalcy as much as possible, and we were overwhelmed by the scaredy-cats who can't face the inevitability of dying...and their fear was played on to the tune of who knows how many trillions of dollars and an economy that might never be the same again.
Trump got us the vaccine that the medico's said was needed. But never forget, orange man bad.
Sure don't. The excess is going to be estimate/projection based on past yrs, population growth etc.
Don't sweat it. We'll just take your word for it.
Thanks for the response. That just seems a little disturbing though. How on earth can we legitimately trust anything they are telling us, regardless of one's perspective, if they can't even give us solid numbers from over a year ago? What exactly have they been doing the last 12 1/2 months? Maybe it's just me and I'm oversimplifying the difficulty of that task.
When does THIS stop? No. “They” didn’t count car crash fatalities as Covid fatalities. Never did. Not once. Ever. You’ve repeated this lie and similar dozens of time, been challenged to prove it, and never have. Reasonable people can disagree about the risk of Covid and whether or not to get vaxxed and so on but this type of outright lie just buys right into the partisan divide. Covid has been politicized and lied about by both sides and their fan clubs. Just like you’re doing.
They had to create a global pandemic to defeat the greatest president in history.
Maybe they didn't have to but they did. And I wouldn't call him the greatest but he's up there.
It can't be a solid number because you're relying on averages from past yrs (plus a little math regarding population growth estimates) to determine the average number of deaths you'd expect.
The math is:
total # deaths (this is a solid number, it is total reported deaths) minus expected # deaths based on previous years averages (this is the estimated number)
"Excess deaths are typically defined as the difference between the observed numbers of deaths in specific time periods and expected numbers of deaths in the same time periods."
Example, I forget which state, something medium-large, only saw 1,000 total deaths difference from yr to yr from 2014 to 2019. But total for 2020 was 23k more total deaths.
The most interesting numbers imho came from looking at the average total reported deaths from shorter time-frames, like just late spring of 2014-2019 and then comparing those with total reported deaths (from all causes) in late spring 2020.
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Hindsight is 20/20 as they say but looking back this is what I would have done for what it's worth.
-Kept the initial lockdown. The earlier version of covid was clearly deadlier than it is now. We didn't know what we were up against. High amount of unknown which is always scary.
-After the lockdowns ended in 2020, keep the masks everywhere except outside and restaurants until the mass vaccination rollout.
-Absolutely no remote learning. Kids should have been in school.
-Make special accommodations for the elderly, vulnerable people (those with auto immune diseases, cancer, etc.)
-CDC should have been more consistent. After mass vaccinations, focus should have been on hospitalizations and deaths. Not cases.
-No vaccine mandates. Market the vaccine as a tool to help protect you and your love ones. But the mandates just made people less compliant not more. Make it as non controversial as possible.
-Permanent additions, hiring, upgrades, etc. to health care infrastructure to prevent them from being overwhelmed.
-Once enough people were vaccinated, no restrictions, no mask requirements, or anything of the sort.
-Kept the initial lockdown. The earlier version of covid was clearly deadlier than it is now. We didn't know what we were up against. High amount of unknown which is always scary.
-After the lockdowns ended in 2020, keep the masks everywhere except outside and restaurants until the mass vaccination rollout.
-Absolutely no remote learning. Kids should have been in school.
-Make special accommodations for the elderly, vulnerable people (those with auto immune diseases, cancer, etc.)
-CDC should have been more consistent. After mass vaccinations, focus should have been on hospitalizations and deaths. Not cases.
-No vaccine mandates. Market the vaccine as a tool to help protect you and your love ones. But the mandates just made people less compliant not more. Make it as non controversial as possible.
-Permanent additions, hiring, upgrades, etc. to health care infrastructure to prevent them from being overwhelmed.
-Once enough people were vaccinated, no restrictions, no mask requirements, or anything of the sort.
we did this last year (or even back in 2020) if you recall, and I think I remember finding that there were an inordinate number of deaths from causes other than Covid. The estimated expected number of deaths has to be taken with that grain of salt, but there's no question that the excess deaths at least indicates the effect. The effect turns out to be a fairly small percentage increase in deaths. People were dying in large numbers before Covid, not to make light of death or anything.
i'd add
- The masks needed to be real masks. No cloth... no chin-strapping.
- Lockdown does nothing if you still allow singing in church for an hr, multiple services on sunday.
- Lockdown only done if positivity rate is high. NC locked down way too soon.
- Add contact-tracing programs early in community spread, not late.
- Testing. Should've been tons of community surveillance testing everywhere, individual at high-risk places, pooled at the other.
- Data sharing. States, universities, etc should collect their data in a uniform manner, then pool their data to get quicker understanding.
Second-class treatment at hospitals / healthcare for people choosing not to vaccinate.
The math ignores cause. We're simply talking about total deaths. Not looking at cause at all.
Estimates have margin for error, but if you annually expect a difference of about 1k based on historical averages, then see a difference of 23k, you aren't talking "grains of salt".
1k on average vs 23k counted is a huge percentage increase
Regardless of cause, more than half-million people died more than expected in about 8 months, 20% increase...
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When you say lockdown, do you mean an actual lockdown or the half ass approach that we took? Because if you're talking about the same half ass approach, then you aren't going to get better results.
I'd say an actual one. Massachusetts came close. Everything was closed here except for the bare essentials until June.
But I digress, some people are making laugh emojis as though they have any clue themselves. I don't pretend to know. It's just hypothesizing maybe what we could have done better. Didn't have to end up the complete shit show that it was.
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see below. This pandemic is not the apocalyptic horror show you want to believe that it is.
'the math' is simply for seeing how actual deaths match estimated projections. If one wants to see if excess deaths are due to particular causes, like Covid....which of course is ultimately the point....then of course one needs to break down those deaths.
lol, when I have more time, I'll try to explain to you more exactly what 'taking something with a grain of salt' means.
The U.S. death rate in 2020 was .89% (other numbers indicate lower). Covid accounted for 10% of that, and was the third leading cause of death behind heart disease and cancer.
https://www.usnews.com/news/health-...ovid-responsible-for-10-of-u-s-deaths-in-2020
"More than 10% of deaths in 2020 were caused by COVID-19, which ranked as the third-leading cause of death behind heart disease and cancer. But death rates also increased in 2020 compared with 2019 for six of the 10 leading causes. Though it did not reach a record high, the death rate for unintentional or accidental deaths – a category that includes unintentional fatal drug overdoses – saw the largest increase at 16.8%, and exceeded 200,000 total deaths for the first time. The death rate from diabetes surged by 14.8%, with the condition accounting for more than 100,000 deaths for the first time."
The break down isn't easy since people don't always die under direct care of physicians/hospitals.
So 20% more people died than expected in 8 months, officially 10% of yearly total were officially Covid (meaning they died from pneumonia/ARDS etc while testing positive for covid). What do you think caused the rates of everything else to spike so much?
Diabetes up 16%
Heart up 6%
These are big increases.
What do you think it actually means when some dies of "diabetes" - it is typically cardiovascular. Guess what causes cardiovascular issues - covid.
Just for clarity, we're laughing at you; not with you.
And lol to a total lockdown. Although, I would enjoy not having people on the roads when I'm trying to get somewhere. I'm sure there would be plenty of sheep that would adhere to a lockdown making life easier for people like me that would in no way comply with that ridiculousness.
lol, not black and white? Well you know what they say, grey is the loneliest number since you started manipulating numbers.
Oh wait now I see what you mean. Covid directly or indirectly causes ALL deaths. Who knew? LMAO.
I think the realty is that if it could be attributed to Covid, it WAS attributed to Covid. The other causes as attributed stand on their own, regardless of how many grains of salt you take them with.
Scientists believed Covid leaked from Wuhan lab - but feared debate could hurt ‘international harmony’
Leading British and US scientists thought it was likely that Covid accidentally leaked from a laboratory but were concerned that further debate would harm science in China, emails show.
Rut Roh.
I fully believe we'd go to war with China over this.
lol, It was a lot like that in '20 to my 'essential job' ass. That alone almost made a tanked economy worth it.
China being responsible wouldn't surprise me, but there's no way we go to war with them because of this. We are both too dependent on each other.
Scientists believed Covid leaked from Wuhan lab - but feared debate could hurt ‘international harmony’
Leading British and US scientists thought it was likely that Covid accidentally leaked from a laboratory but were concerned that further debate would harm science in China, emails show.news.yahoo.com
Rut Roh.
I fully believe we'd go to war with China over this.
We've gone to war over infinitely less.
EDIT: I think the most likely scenario would be a new Cold War with them.
I say we tell them that the money we owe them can be shoved up their ass.
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this is ludicrous nonsense. The virus obviously originated with a bat in a food market that just happened to be next door to the lab where this type of virus was being altered under low-security conditions. How could any right-thinking person claim otherwise?Scientists believed Covid leaked from Wuhan lab - but feared debate could hurt ‘international harmony’
Leading British and US scientists thought it was likely that Covid accidentally leaked from a laboratory but were concerned that further debate would harm science in China, emails show.
Rut Roh.
I fully believe we'd go to war with China over this.
Going to war with modern day China is different than pretty much every war we've ever been in. The world economy would collapse if that happened.
Wait,...were there people that believed China was not responsible? That'd be weird.
As far as war, not with Grandpa in the White House. He's a giant pu$$y and he'd f*ck it up anyway.
As far as war, not with Grandpa in the White House. He's a giant pu$$y and he'd f*ck it up anyway.
I don't think it was a matter of people not believing China was responsible. It was a question of if it was something that happened naturally or if it was man made.
