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I don't think it was a matter of people not believing China was responsible. It was a question of if it was something that happened naturally or if it was man made.

When it comes to China, think of the worst possible conclusion you can come to and that will most likely be the accurate conclusion.

I'll hold my tongue on how I believe some of our own government aided in it. That's probably for another day.
 
I'll hold my tongue on how I believe some of our own government aided in it. That's probably for another day.
Are you referring to Trump?

His tweets just days after these emails about the leak speak very glowingly of China. So either he was part of the cover up or he wasn't reading his briefings on the virus.
 
regarding the Covid reaction, it's funny to see some of the sheeple starting to slowly admit what those of us with a brain and balls were saying 10-12 months. you bozos thought we could beat this thing. 2 weeks to flatten the curve / mask up, stand 6 feet apart to stop transmission / stay home / double up on the masks / get vaccinated / get vaccinated again / get vaccinated AGAIN ...

the stupidity and gullibility of many Americans has been amazing. keep on sheepin!!
 
Of course it came out of the Wuhan lab, but it was also the NIH that was helping to fund that research. That’s probably got a lot to do with the lab leak hypothesis being vilified as a conspiracy theory for so long.
 
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Are you referring to Trump?

His tweets just days after these emails about the leak speak very glowingly of China. So either he was part of the cover up or he wasn't reading his briefings on the virus.

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I chose a Jon Stewart gif on purpose.
 
I hope Sotomayor wrote the dissenting opinion and made it extra salty.
She did. She's a pretty horrible justice. Not because of her decisions. Because she breaks the norms of the court and harms it's image. That's worse than any ruling she makes.

ETA: and of course the left wing is making this out to be some far right decision. Completely ignoring the other case decided today allowing the government to require it from Medicaid/medicare vendors and previous decisions allowing state mandates.
 
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I hope everyone remembers that we and the rest of the world can thank the Clintons and dems for our trouble with China.
 
I’m old enough to remember Nixon opening trade with China. Both parties are currently in bed with China cause all of corp america is in bed with China. That includes trump. So let’s call it what it is. Greed and hypocrisy.
 
But it’s cute watching y’all cheer on your fav teams as they trade wins back and forth over issues that don’t mean a cotdamn thing to your daily lives. Meanwhile you ignore the fact that corp america and a handfull of billionaires calls all the significant shots regarding the economy and foreign policy and national security by puppeteering stupid fuknuts like biden and trump who are gleefully and hopelessly locked into a two party system which they control by throwing little pieces of steak fat to their starving puppy fan clubs and making them think abortion and guns and gay marriage and praying in school is what’s gonna decide americas fate. So by all means put on your red maga hat made in China, buy some more guns, tear down a statue, and refuse straws at Starbucks and pretend your team has the moral ground if that gets you off. At least I’ll be entertained as the world burns.
 
I’m old enough to remember Nixon opening trade with China. Both parties are currently in bed with China cause all of corp america is in bed with China. That includes trump. So let’s call it what it is. Greed and hypocrisy.
I am too, and at the time I wasn't crazy about it...but all he did was establish normal diplomatic relations with them, and a good part if not the main part of that move was to drive a wedge between the USSR and China.. The Clintons I believe were getting a ton of money from them, and made them favored nation in the WTO, in spite of human rights abuses; and the rest is now sitting on the world's chest.
 
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But it’s cute watching y’all cheer on your fav teams as they trade wins back and forth over issues that don’t mean a cotdamn thing to your daily lives. Meanwhile you ignore the fact that corp america and a handfull of billionaires calls all the significant shots regarding the economy and foreign policy and national security by puppeteering stupid fuknuts like biden and trump who are gleefully and hopelessly locked into a two party system which they control by throwing little pieces of steak fat to their starving puppy fan clubs and making them think abortion and guns and gay marriage and praying in school is what’s gonna decide americas fate. So by all means put on your red maga hat made in China, buy some more guns, tear down a statue, and refuse straws at Starbucks and pretend your team has the moral ground if that gets you off. At least I’ll be entertained as the world burns.

So what’s the other option? Continue to rail against a system that you can’t change? A system that will never change? You want to keep playing the middle so you look like you’re intellectually superior to all those that fall for the 2 party trap? What’s that get you? Not a cot damn thing. You’re then just getting what we dummies who are playing the game vote for.

No thanks. I’ll take my little pieces of steak, and I’ll be content to be controlled by the billionaires as long as my life gets made slightly better by stamping out ludicrous liberal policies. It’s the small things in life, you know?
 
But it’s cute watching y’all cheer on your fav teams as they trade wins back and forth over issues that don’t mean a cotdamn thing to your daily lives. Meanwhile you ignore the fact that corp america and a handfull of billionaires calls all the significant shots regarding the economy and foreign policy and national security by puppeteering stupid fuknuts like biden and trump who are gleefully and hopelessly locked into a two party system which they control by throwing little pieces of steak fat to their starving puppy fan clubs and making them think abortion and guns and gay marriage and praying in school is what’s gonna decide americas fate. So by all means put on your red maga hat made in China, buy some more guns, tear down a statue, and refuse straws at Starbucks and pretend your team has the moral ground if that gets you off. At least I’ll be entertained as the world burns.
Is that a @JuleZ '02 HEEL sighting in the post likes?
 
But it’s cute watching y’all cheer on your fav teams as they trade wins back and forth over issues that don’t mean a cotdamn thing to your daily lives. Meanwhile you ignore the fact that corp america and a handfull of billionaires calls all the significant shots regarding the economy and foreign policy and national security by puppeteering stupid fuknuts like biden and trump who are gleefully and hopelessly locked into a two party system which they control by throwing little pieces of steak fat to their starving puppy fan clubs and making them think abortion and guns and gay marriage and praying in school is what’s gonna decide americas fate. So by all means put on your red maga hat made in China, buy some more guns, tear down a statue, and refuse straws at Starbucks and pretend your team has the moral ground if that gets you off. At least I’ll be entertained as the world burns.
you remind me of my long-departed dad, God bless him. No use trying to get anywhere because the big shots have it all rigged. Meanwhile little shots galore are becoming big shots, and today's big shots are giving way to tomorrows big shots. An imperfect system is what it has to be, imperfect. That's the most ridiculous excuse ever to believe in nothing and sit it out

On the other hand, I strongly agree that the two-party system is keeping us from going places politically.
 
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But it’s cute watching y’all cheer on your fav teams as they trade wins back and forth over issues that don’t mean a cotdamn thing to your daily lives. Meanwhile you ignore the fact that corp america and a handfull of billionaires calls all the significant shots regarding the economy and foreign policy and national security by puppeteering stupid fuknuts like biden and trump who are gleefully and hopelessly locked into a two party system which they control by throwing little pieces of steak fat to their starving puppy fan clubs and making them think abortion and guns and gay marriage and praying in school is what’s gonna decide americas fate. So by all means put on your red maga hat made in China, buy some more guns, tear down a statue, and refuse straws at Starbucks and pretend your team has the moral ground if that gets you off. At least I’ll be entertained as the world burns.
You're in rare form today. The truth shall set you free.

As The World Burns!
 
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you remind me of my long-departed dad, God bless him. No use trying to get anywhere because the big shots have it all rigged. Meanwhile little shots galore are becoming big shots, and today's big shots are giving way to tomorrows big shots. An imperfect system is what it has to be, imperfect. That's the most ridiculous excuse ever to believe in nothing and sit it out

On the other hand, I strongly agree that the two-party system is keeping us from going places politically.

Fair enough but I disagree that I “sit it out” if that’s what you’re saying. I vote. Usually holding my nose but I investigate the candidates and issues and vote. I just Never vote based on party.
 
So what’s the other option? Continue to rail against a system that you can’t change? A system that will never change? You want to keep playing the middle so you look like you’re intellectually superior to all those that fall for the 2 party trap? What’s that get you? Not a cot damn thing. You’re then just getting what we dummies who are playing the game vote for.

No thanks. I’ll take my little pieces of steak, and I’ll be content to be controlled by the billionaires as long as my life gets made slightly better by stamping out ludicrous liberal policies. It’s the small things in life, you know?

Well Intellect ain’t got nothing to do with it. I Think most people are in the middle. I’m just honest about it. But just keep those trannies out of the ladies room and america will be fine!
 
Fair enough but I disagree that I “sit it out” if that’s what you’re saying. I vote. Usually holding my nose but I investigate the candidates and issues and vote. I just Never vote based on party.
my dad is who I was referring to as 'sitting it out', but as I said your attitude reminds me of his. From what you've said in the past, your voting habits seem counter to fixing what you're protesting against. Don't bother asking for an example, I can't think of one. I'll let you know next time I see you giving one.
 
my dad is who I was referring to as 'sitting it out', but as I said your attitude reminds me of his. From what you've said in the past, your voting habits seem counter to fixing what you're protesting against. Don't bother asking for an example, I can't think of one. I'll let you know next time I see you giving one.

Sounds like a wise man. Prob devilishly handsome as well as I am.
 
Well Intellect ain’t got nothing to do with it. I Think most people are in the middle. I’m just honest about it. But just keep those trannies out of the ladies room and america will be fine!

For starters. But there’s more to be done like making sure this ridiculous voting law isn’t passed, making sure loans get paid back so I don’t have to make up the difference, making sure Israel knows they have a friend in us, making sure the borders are safe and we’re not just letting people stroll into the country unchecked, making sure law enforcement is supported and criminals are not. So if all those are the little pieces of steak, I’m hoping for a full meal over the next year or two.
 
Wait,...were there people that believed China was not responsible? That'd be weird.

Thank you for linking an opinion article from the New York Post. It contains such illuminating rhetoric as:
  • "It sure sounds like China has a problem keeping dangerous pathogens in test tubes where they belong, doesn’t it?"
  • "And this [lab] is located in the Chinese city of Wuhan that just happens to be … the epicenter of the epidemic."
  • "Does that suggest to you that the novel coronavirus, now known as SARS-CoV-2, may have escaped from that very lab....?"
And of course my favorite:
  • Both “man-made” epidemics were quickly contained, but neither would have happened at all if proper safety precautions had been taken.
Note that the author has reached a conclusion based purely on conjecture, which might be why he put "man-made" in quotation marks. And who is the author? A man named Steven W. Mosher, who is a social scientist, not a natural scientist with a background in epidemiology, pathology, public health, etc. Wikipedia describes Mosher as an "anti-abortion activist and author who specializes in anthropology, demography and Chinese population control. He is the president of the Population Research Institute (PRI), an advocate for human rights in China, and has been instrumental in exposing abuses in China's one-child policy." He also got expelled from Stanford for "illegal and unethical conduct." The guy obviously has an axe to grind and no relevant expertise, but you're welcome to agree with his opinion if you'd like.

As for me, I'll stick with the 27 public health scientists from nine different countries who have strongly condemned conspiracy theories about the origin of the disease via The Lancet, one of the oldest and most prestigious peer-reviewed medical journals in the world. "We stand together to strongly condemn conspiracy theories suggesting that COVID-19 does not have a natural origin. Scientists from multiple countries have published and analysed genomes of the causative agent, severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2), and they overwhelmingly conclude that this coronavirus originated in wildlife, as have so many other emerging pathogens. This is further supported by a letter from the presidents of the US National Academies of Science, Engineering, and Medicine and by the scientific communities they represent."
 
I'll generally take my steak bites from a well-marbled, reverse-seared ribeye between 1 1/2 and 2 inches thick but an equally thick Porterhouse will do just fine. Rare to medium rare. Well-salted and patted dry half an hour before grilling and peppered with freshly ground Tellicherry black pepper just before eating.

And lots of Heinz ketchup of course, Has to be Heinz.
 
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Dr: you're wrong
Joe: I'm right, let's look up the facts on the web
Joe: Uhhh....oh wait....huh... these facts don't match up with my preconception... now let me cast doubt on these numbers for no reason other than because my belief is based on bs.
sounds like he has producer problems and continues to have credibility problems…he’s a clown.
 
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