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I didn’t ask my doctor. I got vaxed because I’m the primary care keeper for my 94 year old mother. My family agreed to ”err on the side of caution” for my mother’s sake. We were told it would prevent getting Covid, that was untrue. We were then told if we were boosted, it would protect us, again untrue. After having Covid and knowing several people who have had serious cases after getting all the shots, I am increasingly unsure of its efficacy. it goes without saying you are free to disagree.

What would you judge its effectiveness to be?
Wife got the vax, I didn't. She got it 3 times. I didn't get it even once. But I consume enough alcohol it probably didn't stand a chance anyway.
 
The FDA and Pfizer tried to seal the data showing the vaccines were not safe.

" “Of the 46,000 participants in the Pfizer trial, 42,000 had adverse reactions and 1,200 died. The FDA rule is that only one person dies within 30 days of receiving an experimental drug to end the trial. It never happened 7and we need to ask why”

 
The FDA and Pfizer tried to seal the data showing the vaccines were not safe.

" “Of the 46,000 participants in the Pfizer trial, 42,000 had adverse reactions and 1,200 died. The FDA rule is that only one person dies within 30 days of receiving an experimental drug to end the trial. It never happened 7and we need to ask why”


Sneaky bastards can't get by your ace team of sources! Good job, dude! Always one step ahead of the deep state.
 

Sneaky bastards can't get by your ace team of sources! Good job, dude! Always one step ahead of the deep state.
The released V-safe data shows the vaccines are unsafe. You can find this on other links. Just used this for convenience upon googling.

" Out of the approximate 10 million v-safe users, 782,913 individuals, or over 7.7% of v-safe users, had a health event requiring medical attention, emergency room intervention, and/or hospitalization. Another 25% of v-safe users had an event that required them to miss school or work and/or prevented normal activities. "

What is interesting is this shows people who voluntarily reported their advrse reaction out of 10 million who signed up. It DOES NOT SHOW deaths because, well, dead people can't still use their cell-phone.

It does not show how many just didn't report. It shows at least a third of people incapacitated to some degree with 7.7% needing medical attention with these numbers likely low due to the tendency of people not to follow through, and who knows how many deaths? 10%,? 1%? Who knows but we sure know the CDC has been lying to us.

 
I didn’t ask my doctor. I got vaxed because I’m the primary care keeper for my 94 year old mother. My family agreed to ”err on the side of caution” for my mother’s sake. We were told it would prevent getting Covid, that was untrue. We were then told if we were boosted, it would protect us, again untrue. After having Covid and knowing several people who have had serious cases after getting all the shots, I am increasingly unsure of its efficacy. it goes without saying you are free to disagree
I can't tell you what to do, but if I have medical questions I would ask a medical professional. I guess you could search the internet to find some "news" sites like ones we've seen provided, but that seems a little risky to me. There's a reason those guys go to school for so long.

I actually got it because of a family member in their 90s too. Didn't get it as soon as it was available, though. Ended up waiting a little over a year to make sure nobody started growing a third ear on their ass or something like that. Never had a doctor tell me there was no way I would get it. That goes for all of the vaccines I've ever had and all of the vaccines my kids had (didn't get them a rona vaccine though).

What would you judge its effectiveness to be?
I guess that depends on what you mean by effectiveness. Everyone I know hasn't had a problem. It certainly lowers your chances of dying or getting extremely sick. That's been proven. How long it provides that protection doesn't seem to be as long as hoped for. But, that's not my field of study, which is why I trust my doctors.
 
I cannot understand why any healthy middle age (or younger) person without any known conditions would even entertain getting the vax. I have 84 year old parents. They got the initial vax but have said to hell with the boosters. It’s just silliness at this point. But I guess some people are so easily emotionally manipulated that they felt obligated.
 
sorry, dr @randman1
hey @randman1 all mine, under 21, received the jab and are doing great because their pediatrician advised getting it…only one has gotten covid, but it was a day with a head cold.
 
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I can't tell you what to do, but if I have medical questions I would ask a medical professional. I guess you could search the internet to find some "news" sites like ones we've seen provided, but that seems a little risky to me. There's a reason those guys go to school for so long.

I actually got it because of a family member in their 90s too. Didn't get it as soon as it was available, though. Ended up waiting a little over a year to make sure nobody started growing a third ear on their ass or something like that. Never had a doctor tell me there was no way I would get it. That goes for all of the vaccines I've ever had and all of the vaccines my kids had (didn't get them a rona vaccine though).


I guess that depends on what you mean by effectiveness. Everyone I know hasn't had a problem. It certainly lowers your chances of dying or getting extremely sick. That's been proven. How long it provides that protection doesn't seem to be as long as hoped for. But, that's not my field of study, which is why I trust my doctors.
" It certainly lowers your chances of dying or getting extremely sick. That's been proven. "

It has not just like the other false claims such as the vaccine prevents infection which was the chief, original selling point. Same folks who said that was proven knew all along it wasn't.

There is absolutely no benefit to these vaccines but they are killing and disabling millions of people in the US.
 
" It certainly lowers your chances of dying or getting extremely sick. That's been proven. "

It has not just like the other false claims such as the vaccine prevents infection which was the chief, original selling point. Same folks who said that was proven knew all along it wasn't.

There is absolutely no benefit to these vaccines but they are killing and disabling millions of people in the US.
billions of people, trillions, maybe
 
There is absolutely no benefit to these vaccines but they are killing and disabling millions of people in the US.
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Is it the millions in the us dying from it?

I haven't paid attention. I know of no one - not one single person - that has died from COVID. I know of exactly 1 person that had a severe case. So forgive me if I don't buy the hype. Or maybe I just know extra healthy people. That could be the case.
 
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I haven't paid attention. I know of no one - not one single person - that has died from COVID. I know of exactly 1 person that had a severe case. So forgive me if I don't buy the hype. Or maybe I just know extra healthy people. That could be the case.
I must know the same people.
 
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If you still think the vax is safe and effective, you should read this entire peer-reviewed article.

" But a very unexpected and extremely harrowing personal tragedy was to happen a few months later that would be the start of my own journey into what would ultimately prove to be a revelatory and eye-opening experience so profound that after six months of critically appraising the data myself, speaking to eminent scientists involved in COVID-19 research, vaccine safety and development, and two investigative medical journalists, I have slowly and reluctantly concluded that contrary to my own initial dogmatic beliefs, Pfizer’s mRNA vaccine is far from being as safe and effective as we first thought. This critical appraisal is based upon the analytical framework for practicing and teaching evidence-based medicine, specifically utilising individual clinical expertise and/or experience with use of the best available evidence and taking into consideration patient preferences and values."

 
No infection means no transmission and the vaccines with early variants meant protection from infection.

Yes, some breakthrough occurred due to waning and because breakthrough happens in small % of all vaccines (not just mRNA).
 
No infection means no transmission and the vaccines with early variants meant protection from infection.

Yes, some breakthrough occurred due to waning and because breakthrough happens in small % of all vaccines (not just mRNA).
Wrong. More vax = more infections. This guy quoted below has followed this stuff pretty closely and takes a more moderate stance than I do. Maybe you should read some of his stuff.

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Then, in July 2021, the censorship efforts took on a new urgency.

The reason was simple. The vaccines had begun to fail, much more quickly the public had been told to expect. In Israel, the first country to complete a mass vaccination campaign with Pfizer’s mRNA shot, infections soared. Hospitalizations and deaths rapidly followed."

 
No infection means no transmission and the vaccines with early variants meant protection from infection.

Yes, some breakthrough occurred due to waning and because breakthrough happens in small % of all vaccines (not just mRNA).
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I didn't get them.
Why not? Technically you are no longer fully vaccinated. If you think the vax is great, why are you not following the protocol? I mean they are completely safe and effective, right? No downside at all.

Or maybe you realize they are not?
 
Why not? Technically you are no longer fully vaccinated. If you think the vax is great, why are you not following the protocol? I mean they are completely safe and effective, right? No downside at all.

Or maybe you realize they are not?
I never got flu shots. I realized that there was no way to vaccinate the pandemic into a memory, and I'm healthy. I'll just gauge it going forward.
 
I never got flu shots. I realized that there was no way to vaccinate the pandemic into a memory, and I'm healthy. I'll just gauge it going forward.
In other words, you are smart enough to know there are risks and it's not a medication you need.

You sure work hard to convince everyone otherwise. I suspect you realize the vax is pretty dangerous even.
 
In other words, you are smart enough to know there are risks and it's not a medication you need.

You sure work hard to convince everyone otherwise. I suspect you realize the vax is pretty dangerous even.
I don't think the vaccine is killing millions of people. I don't think the vaccines are killing hundreds of people. I personally know of at least a dozen people who have died from Covid-19. My cousin, who was in absolute perfect health, 60 years old, wound up in the ICU for 9 days in December 2020, almost died. I can go on and on about people that I know about who died or almost died from it. I know of no one that had any complications from the vaccines or the boosters.

I'm not "smart enough to know" any of it. I have to trust my instincts on some level. If I were obese, or had a bunch of health issues, I might consider them. I'm as healthy as I can possibly be. I've probably had it on some level, and I'll take my chances on being able to fight it if I get it with symptoms that I notice.

Listening to Dale Gribbles (like you) is the last thing I would recommend.
 
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