Coronavirus

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Boston University researchers claim to have developed new, more lethal COVID strain in lab

Researchers at Boston University say they have developed a new COVID strain that has an 80% kill rate following a series of similar experiments first thought to have started the global pandemic that began in China.

www.foxnews.com

This sounds like a great idea.

 

[randman1]

"Alas, if there’s one revelation that could shake the COVIDians out of their coma, it’s this: a Pfizer executive under questioning in the European Parliament, recently admitted the awful truth: viral transmission was not tested in Pfizer trials.

.....

“Moving at the speed of The Science©,” as the executive put it, Pfizer skipped the whole transmission aspect of clinical study, presumably because the company knew that their product didn’t work. Then it deployed its minions like Warlord Fauci and Dark Brandon to lie to the whole world about it.

“You’re not going to get COVID if you have these vaccinations.”
-Joe Biden, July 21, 2021

ZeroHedge

ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero

www.zerohedge.com

 

[randman1]

The Covidians just flat out lied. They ought to be tried and hung for crimes against humanity.

"
“Vaccianted people do not get sick… do not spread the virus.”
-CDC Director Rochelle Walensky, March 29, 2021

“When people are vaccinated, they can feel safe they will not be infected.”
-NIAID Director Anthony Fauci May 17, 2021"

 

[bluetoe]

Tons of folks thought lab-leak was very plausible and fairly probable but two recent papers have changed their mind.

1st looked at timing and spatial data of people w reported cases, determined the market (which is massive, city blocks) was the epicenter, even down to the quadrant of the market which happened to be where the produce and meat was located (wet mkt).

2nd one looked a genetic data, found tons of samples in cages at wet market, etc, determined that there were at least two early lineages of the viruses proving that it jumped at least twice from animals to humans AT the market.

Timing + location tied to the multiple strains means either it was zoonotic, meaning it leapt across animals and then humans at the market, OR lab leakers intentionally introduced the few different lineages into both animals and humans simultaneously at the market. The latter isn't probable, hard to fathom how that could be pulled off.

Plenty of other diseases have jumped in zoonotic fashion,it is simply coincidence that the market is in the same giant city as the lab which was studying, experimenting with viruses from bats, etc that would be similar to this particular virus.

Important to remember that sars v1 was a thing... A zoonotic thing.

I quashed this bullshit previously.

The market is the epicenter of the SPREAD of the virus. That is NOT saying that it originated there. And how could it not very likely be the epicenter of the spread? Of course it probably is. People from all over, including the lab, go to the market, taking all their little viral passengers with them. People from all over then leave the market and take whatever they have acquired, including those virusees, and spread out in all directions.

This is your duh moment if you think you're ruling out the lab as the origin of the virus.

 

[carolinablue34]

Boston University researchers claim to have developed new, more lethal COVID strain in lab

Researchers at Boston University say they have developed a new COVID strain that has an 80% kill rate following a series of similar experiments first thought to have started the global pandemic that began in China.

www.foxnews.com

This sounds like a great idea.

"First, this research is not gain-of-function research, meaning it did not amplify the Washington state SARS-COV-2 virus strain or make it more dangerous. In fact, this research made the virus replicate less dangerous," the statement read. "Secondly, the research was reviewed and approved by the Institutional Biosafety Committee (IBC), which consists of scientists as well as local community members. The Boston Public Health Commission also approved the research. Furthermore, this research mirrors and reinforces the findings of other, similar research performed by other organizations, including the FDA. Ultimately, this research will provide a public benefit by leading to better, targeted therapeutic interventions to help fight against future pandemics."

Did you even read the article?

 

[bluetoe]

"First, this research is not gain-of-function research, meaning it did not amplify the Washington state SARS-COV-2 virus strain or make it more dangerous. In fact, this research made the virus replicate less dangerous," the statement read. "Secondly, the research was reviewed and approved by the Institutional Biosafety Committee (IBC), which consists of scientists as well as local community members. The Boston Public Health Commission also approved the research. Furthermore, this research mirrors and reinforces the findings of other, similar research performed by other organizations, including the FDA. Ultimately, this research will provide a public benefit by leading to better, targeted therapeutic interventions to help fight against future pandemics."

Did you even read the article?

"Did you even read the article?"

did you? The manufactured variant that is being described IS more lethal than the omicron variant that it was based on, if I understand. Like that omicron variant, it is less lethal than the original Covid bug but much more lethal than omicron.

To say this isn't gain of function seems to me to be disingenuous. It seems to be gain of function of the omicron variant but not of the Wuhan Covid. That seems like wordplay. Isn't gain of function gain of function?

What I don't understand and what I haven't even seen attempted as an explanation, is WTF they are screwing around with these deadly viruses for to begin with, especially in a gain of function manner.

What's the end game?

 

[carolinablue34]

"Did you even read the article?"

did you? The manufactured variant that is being described IS more lethal than the omicron variant that it was based on, if I understand. Like that omicron variant, it is less lethal than the original Covid bug but much more lethal than omicron.

To say this isn't gain of function seems to me to be disingenuous. It seems to be gain of function of the omicron variant but not of the Wuhan Covid. That seems like wordplay. Isn't gain of function gain of function?

What I don't understand and what I haven't even seen attempted as an explanation, is WTF they are screwing around with these deadly viruses for to begin with, especially in a gain of function manner.

What's the end game?

It is to test targeted therapies against Covid.

I hardly think Boston along with BU would make this thing 80% more lethal if they thought it was going to bring about the end of mankind.

This is a fear mongering article with little substance to it.

 

[bluetoe]

It is to test targeted therapies against Covid.

*I hardly think Boston along with BU would make this thing 80% more lethal if they thought it was going to bring about the end of mankind.

This is a fear mongering article with little substance to it.

*probably not, but who knows what could happen? And they probably thought the same thing in Wuhan.

If the purpose is to 'test targeted therapies against Covid', what purpose is served by making it more deadly? Why the gain of function? Why do this with a virus that is less deadly than the original but much more transmissible? You might have missed that part of the question. One might almost be led to believe that they are creating a highly transmissible virus that is more deadly than the original omicron....because that's exactly what it says they are doing.

And if the article is merely a case of fear-mongering, what part of it is presented in such a way that the truth of the matter isn't plainly stated? Seriously, please point that part out. The part that you quoted, taken out of context seems to be a matter of under-the-rug sweeping. And you seem to be dismissing the article out of hand without reasonable explanation. Why do that?

 

[Archer2]

*probably not, but who knows what could happen? And they probably thought the same thing in Wuhan.

If the purpose is to 'test targeted therapies against Covid', what purpose is served by making it more deadly? Why the gain of function? Why do this with a virus that is less deadly than the original but much more transmissible? You might have missed that part of the question. One might almost be led to believe that they are creating a highly transmissible virus that is more deadly than the original omicron....because that's exactly what it says they are doing.

And if the article is merely a case of fear-mongering, what part of it is presented in such a way that the truth of the matter isn't plainly stated? Seriously, please point that part out. The part that you quoted, taken out of context seems to be a matter of under-the-rug sweeping. And you seem to be dismissing the article out of hand without reasonable explanation. Why do that?

We’re messing with shit we shouldn’t be messing with. I understand gain of function research is/was being conducted in Chapel Hill and in Texas too. Nothing good can come from that type of research. China wants it as a bio weapon, IMO. Perhaps we do as well, I don’t know. But we see how easily it can escape and wreak havoc.

 

[heelmanwilm]

The Covidians just flat out lied. They ought to be tried and hung for crimes against humanity.

"
“Vaccianted people do not get sick… do not spread the virus.”
-CDC Director Rochelle Walensky, March 29, 2021

“When people are vaccinated, they can feel safe they will not be infected.”
-NIAID Director Anthony Fauci May 17, 2021"

Make them read your bullshit. It’s enough to make anyone wanna kill themselves.

"Did you even read the article?"

did you? The manufactured variant that is being described IS more lethal than the omicron variant that it was based on, if I understand. Like that omicron variant, it is less lethal than the original Covid bug but much more lethal than omicron.

To say this isn't gain of function seems to me to be disingenuous. It seems to be gain of function of the omicron variant but not of the Wuhan Covid. That seems like wordplay. Isn't gain of function gain of function?

What I don't understand and what I haven't even seen attempted as an explanation, is WTF they are screwing around with these deadly viruses for to begin with, especially in a gain of function manner.

What's the end game?

IIRC it’s to help understand how they work so as to develop vaccines and so on. For instance some of it is done to make viruses able to infect mice or other lab animals used for experimental treatments. Also it tries to emulate mutations that might occur that make viruses deadlier so that vaccines can be developed for them. This is all in general and I’m not claiming this was the deal at wuhan. There is def some serious ethical and security issues involved and there seems to be some strict regs in place. But shit gonna happen.

 

[carolinablue34]

*probably not, but who knows what could happen? And they probably thought the same thing in Wuhan.

If the purpose is to 'test targeted therapies against Covid', what purpose is served by making it more deadly? Why the gain of function? Why do this with a virus that is less deadly than the original but much more transmissible? You might have missed that part of the question. One might almost be led to believe that they are creating a highly transmissible virus that is more deadly than the original omicron....because that's exactly what it says they are doing.

And if the article is merely a case of fear-mongering, what part of it is presented in such a way that the truth of the matter isn't plainly stated? Seriously, please point that part out. The part that you quoted, taken out of context seems to be a matter of under-the-rug sweeping. And you seem to be dismissing the article out of hand without reasonable explanation. Why do that?

Fox has a tendency to push out these kinds of articles with misleading titles for hits. Same with CNN, NBC, MSNBC, and all the rest of the major news channels.

I'm not a medical expert, I can't tell you the specific science behind what they're doing. But whether or not it was leaked from a lab near Wuhan, I have much more faith in the city and university with some of the best trained medical professionals in the world to not be careless in studying this virus further.

I also believe this version of the virus they're working on to only be lethal to rats.

 

[bluetoe]

Fox has a tendency to push out these kinds of articles with misleading titles for hits. Same with CNN, NBC, MSNBC, and all the rest of the major news channels.

I'm not a medical expert, I can't tell you the specific science behind what they're doing. But whether or not it was leaked from a lab near Wuhan, I have much more faith in the city and university with some of the best trained medical professionals in the world to not be careless in studying this virus further.

I also believe this version of the virus they're working on to only be lethal to rats.

' I also believe this version of the virus they're working on to only be lethal to rats. '

I hope you aren't serious here. They use rodents for that kind of testing because of the similarities between them and humans, including a strong genetic one. If what they do kills a mouse, it will likely have a quite negative effect on a human. Besides, the article plainly states that this variant of omicron is a lot more deadly than omicron.

But the main thing is you are still avoiding my main query. WHY the gain of function? Of course I understand research for the purpose of stalemating the virus and believe it or not, I can read just as well and probably better than you can. Quoting or paraphrasing from the article is a waste of time. So is telling me about misleading titles and headlines. DUH. I read the article, not just the headline but thanks for the condescending explanation.

That being said, I avoid most of the media like the plague. But when I have a piece presented to me, and if I'm interested, I read it and then take what is in the article for what it's worth. That's why I'm asking you for the second time, what is IN THE ARTICLE that makes it an example of fear-mongering and not simply a statement of fact that is concerning? Or, do you think a misleading title (and this one IS somewhat misleading and a tad sensationalized) to a factual article is enough reason to turn a blind eye to the plain truth?

 

[carolinablue34]

' I also believe this version of the virus they're working on to only be lethal to rats. '

I hope you aren't serious here. They use rodents for that kind of testing because of the similarities between them and humans, including a strong genetic one. If what they do kills a mouse, it will likely have a quite negative effect on a human. Besides, the article plainly states that this variant of omicron is a lot more deadly than omicron.

But the main thing is you are still avoiding my main query. WHY the gain of function? Of course I understand research for the purpose of stalemating the virus and believe it or not, I can read just as well and probably better than you can. Quoting or paraphrasing from the article is a waste of time. So is telling me about misleading titles and headlines. DUH. I read the article, not just the headline but thanks for the condescending explanation.

That being said, I avoid most of the media like the plague. But when I have a piece presented to me, and if I'm interested, I read it and then take what is in the article for what it's worth. That's why I'm asking you for the second time, what is IN THE ARTICLE that makes it an example of fear-mongering and not simply a statement of fact? Or, do you think a misleading title (and this one IS somewhat misleading and a tad sensationalized) to a factual article is enough reason to turn a blind eye to the plain truth?

Because it's not really what's IN the article that I take issue with here. It's how they're presenting it in a headline. To clarify further: it's the headline that makes it fear mongering to me.

 

[bluetoe]

Make them read your bullshit. It’s enough to make anyone wanna kill themselves.

IIRC it’s to help understand how they work so as to develop vaccines and so on. For instance some of it is done to make viruses able to infect mice or other lab animals used for experimental treatments. Also it tries to emulate mutations that might occur that make viruses deadlier so that vaccines can be developed for them. This is all in general and I’m not claiming this was the deal at wuhan. There is def some serious ethical and security issues involved and there seems to be some strict regs in place. But shit gonna happen.

so I can be clear, the gain of function has a practical role in the lab itself, by way of making the virus in question more effective or just infectible against the test animals? That makes sense. I hope I can find some articles that verify this...if you have any linkage it would be appreciated. In the meantime, thanks for the helpful response. That's how it's supposed to be done.

 

[bluetoe]

Because it's not really what's IN the article that I take issue with here. It's how they're presenting it in a headline. To clarify further: it's the headline that makes it fear mongering to me.

so I asked a question and what I get from you is what you take irrelevant issue with? YOUR first post was asking the other poster if he had read the article. Remember? I then asked you if you had read it. Remember? Now it seems reading the article is not useful and you're only interested in the headline, and the article itself now seems to be irrelevant to you as you refuse to address the content that I am questioning.

You should know that kind of shit isn't getting past me. If you desire to appear unbiased and truth-seeking, as you have previously expressed, you have to do better than this.

On the other hand, at least your last response was an honest one, I believe. That counts for something.

 

[randman1]

"First, this research is not gain-of-function research, meaning it did not amplify the Washington state SARS-COV-2 virus strain or make it more dangerous. In fact, this research made the virus replicate less dangerous," the statement read. "Secondly, the research was reviewed and approved by the Institutional Biosafety Committee (IBC), which consists of scientists as well as local community members. The Boston Public Health Commission also approved the research. Furthermore, this research mirrors and reinforces the findings of other, similar research performed by other organizations, including the FDA. Ultimately, this research will provide a public benefit by leading to better, targeted therapeutic interventions to help fight against future pandemics."

Did you even read the article?

Yeah. Maybe you did not. Taking it up to 80% lethality is GOF and making it more lethal regardless of the ridiculous statement put out by the university.

 

[randman1]

Fox has a tendency to push out these kinds of articles with misleading titles for hits. Same with CNN, NBC, MSNBC, and all the rest of the major news channels.

I'm not a medical expert, I can't tell you the specific science behind what they're doing. But whether or not it was leaked from a lab near Wuhan, I have much more faith in the city and university with some of the best trained medical professionals in the world to not be careless in studying this virus further.

I also believe this version of the virus they're working on to only be lethal to rats.

Fox isn't the only one reporting this. Geesh.

"
Professor Shmuel Shapira, a leading scientist in the Israeli Government, said: 'This should be totally forbidden, it's playing with fire.'

Gain of function research - when viruses are purposefully manipulated to be more infectious or deadly - is thought to be at the center of Covid's origin.

A Chinese laboratory located just miles from the first cluster of cases carried out similar research on bat coronaviruses.

But the practice has been largely restricted in the US since 2017.

Dr Richard Ebright, a chemist at Rutgers University in New Brunswick, New Jersey, told DailyMail.com that: 'The research is a clear example of gain of function research."

Boston University CREATES new Omicron strain that has an 80% kill rate

The variant - which is a hybrid of Omicron and the original Wuhan virus - killed 80 per cent of mice infected with it at Boston University.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[randman1]

" Prof David Livermore, a professor of microbiology at the UK's University of East Anglia told DailyMail.com: 'given the strong likelihood that the Covid pandemic originated from the escape of a lab-manipulated coronavirus in Wuhan, these experiments seem profoundly unwise.'

 

[heelmanwilm]

so I can be clear, the gain of function has a practical role in the lab itself, by way of making the virus in question more effective or just infectible against the test animals? That makes sense. I hope I can find some articles that verify this...if you have any linkage it would be appreciated. In the meantime, thanks for the helpful response. That's how it's supposed to be done.

I’ll find some articles. in the meantime it seems to me this whole rand Paul versus Fauci thing is over semantics. There was gain of function happening at the Wuhan lab. Now according to Fauci and the others involved they weren’t funding gain of function research but they discovered gain of function as they were researching the viruses. So I’ve been a defender of Fauci but I admit this is splitting hairs and not a good look but we have to consider that scientists are ADHD and to them there is a huge difference in gain of function research versus discovering gain of function while researching if that makes any sense.

 

[randman1]

Because it's not really what's IN the article that I take issue with here. It's how they're presenting it in a headline. To clarify further: it's the headline that makes it fear mongering to me.

As if the facts aren't scary by themselves, and the chief fact is how casually our public health people are creating bioweapons.

Do they honestly believe publishing how they did such and such won't be read by the Chinese or Russians, for example? Or that samples cannot be stolen?

Maybe they are being funded by us to do these things for our own bioweapons or by the Great Resetters but one thing is clear, there is no benefit to creating such chimeras (generally) that would not otherwise emerge in nature for perhaps thousands of years or never. In other words, they aren't "getting ahead" of nature and evolution to help treat pandemics. That's some major league bull-crap to use that as an excuse.

 

[heelmanwilm]

" Prof David Livermore, a professor of microbiology at the UK's University of East Anglia told DailyMail.com: 'given the strong likelihood that the Covid pandemic originated from the escape of a lab-manipulated coronavirus in Wuhan, these experiments seem profoundly unwise.'

The problem is people like you jump to the conclusion that the democrats intentionally caused the escape as part of a plan to defeat trump.

 

[randman1]

I’ll find some articles. in the meantime it seems to me this whole rand Paul versus Fauci thing is over semantics. There was gain of function happening at the Wuhan lab. Now according to Fauci and the others involved they weren’t funding gain of function research but they discovered gain of function as they were researching the viruses. So I’ve been a defender of Fauci but I admit this is splitting hairs and not a good look but we have to consider that scientists are ADHD and to them there is a huge difference in gain of function research versus discovering gain of function while researching if that makes any sense.

Nah. Fauci is just a liar. GOF is specified on the grant Fauci approved and the subsequent papers. Moreover, Fauci and Collins gave themselves an exemption from the ban on GOF due to arguing that since it had already started, it wasn't new grants or GOF and complied with the law when it absolutely did not. He even defied Obama.

They think they are above the law, it seems.

 

[randman1]

The problem is people like you jump to the conclusion that the democrats intentionally caused the escape as part of a plan to defeat trump.

It's much bigger than that but I do believe a lot of democrats stuck their head in the sand because it was hurting Trump, and many still do.

This was a well-planned global plandemic. Been in the works for years, long before Trump ran for office.

 

[heelmanwilm]

It's much bigger than that but I do believe a lot of democrats stuck their head in the sand because it was hurting Trump, and many still do.

This was a well-planned global plandemic. Been in the works for years, long before Trump ran for office.

Get help

 

[randman1]

Get help

Oh goody. You protected your insecurity with a dumb insult.

Hey, bet you believed the vax would protect you from infection, didn't you?

At least in Australia, they have offered to pay for your funeral now if the vax kills you, but hey, it's "safe and effective."

 

[gunslingerdick]

Make them read your bullshit. It’s enough to make anyone wanna kill themselves.

 

[strummingram]

Oh goody. You protected your insecurity with a dumb insult.

Hey, bet you believed the vax would protect you from infection, didn't you?

At least in Australia, they have offered to pay for your funeral now if the vax kills you, but hey, it's "safe and effective."

He's right, you really need some help. You're drowning in conspiracy theory monoxide.

 

[gunslingerdick]

Fox has a tendency to push out these kinds of articles with misleading titles for hits. Same with CNN, NBC, MSNBC, and all the rest of the major news channels.

I'm not a medical expert, I can't tell you the specific science behind what they're doing. But whether or not it was leaked from a lab near Wuhan, I have much more faith in the city and university with some of the best trained medical professionals in the world to not be careless in studying this virus further.

I also believe this version of the virus they're working on to only be lethal to rats.

I'm not a medical expert either. But I am an expert on people and their motivations. These academic types, they have egos bigger than all outdoors. They'd gladly create bioweapons and use less than ethical research methods if it meant they made some scientific breakthrough and get credited for it. And I stand by that statement in regards to Wuhan or Boston College.

 

[randman1]

He's right, you really need some help. You're drowning in conspiracy theory monoxide.

Uh huh? So why would you fund bioweapons research in China? Everyone knows China is controlled by the CCP and that their military has their fingers in all of this research.

So why?

Even the stated reason for doing this kind of research is an absurd lie.

1. The changes they are making are not the kind of changes that would happen via natural evolution.

2. The idea of getting ahead of a coronavirus to create a vaccine is also so stupid it defies belief they are sincere, and that's because just as we are seeing, coronaviruses mutate so quickly any vaccine, even if it was a good one, would become useless in 6 months. So we know that cannot be the real reason they pushed the vax.

3. And here is the kicker: you would never fund that kind of research in China without some serious nefarious reasons involved because China is our chief adversary, and you would simply be funding the development of weapons of mass destruction for their military.

 

[randman1]

"
A senior US health official today admitted that controversial Covid manipulation research carried out in a laboratory in Boston was not authorized — despite being funded by taxpayer money.

DailyMail.com exclusively revealed yesterday that a team from Boston University had developed a hybrid Covid virus — combining the Omicron and original Wuhan strains — which had an 80 per cent lethality rate."

Gets murkier. The NIH gave them money but says they didn't clear it. Maybe covering their backside or what?

Doctor admits Boston lab that created Covid strain did NOT clear tests

Dr Emily Erbelding, director of NIAID's division of microbiology and infectious diseases, said the Boston team did not clear the work with the agency. She admitted unease over the work.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[strummingram]

Uh huh? So why would you fund bioweapons research in China? Everyone knows China is controlled by the CCP and that their military has their fingers in all of this research.

So why?

Even the stated reason for doing this kind of research is an absurd lie.

1. The changes they are making are not the kind of changes that would happen via natural evolution.

2. The idea of getting ahead of a coronavirus to create a vaccine is also so stupid it defies belief they are sincere, and that's because just as we are seeing, coronaviruses mutate so quickly any vaccine, even if it was a good one, would become useless in 6 months. So we know that cannot be the real reason they pushed the vax.

3. And here is the kicker: you would never fund that kind of research in China without some serious nefarious reasons involved because China is our chief adversary, and you would simply be funding the development of weapons of mass destruction for their military.

That's not getting help... that's more like the drunk saying "I can stop anytime I want to stop."

 

[randman1]

That's not getting help... that's more like the drunk saying "I can stop anytime I want to stop."

Ok, guess we can write you off as usual, as someone incapable of actually discussing facts and policies.

 

[strummingram]

Ok, guess we can write you off as usual, as someone incapable of actually discussing facts and policies.

You're basically an addict. Discussing anything with you is going to include x-amount irrational subject matter because you're floating in a sea of conspiracy. "Facts" are a fiction, now, thanks in large part to your savior and his flunkies. You don't like the outcome, or the narrative? Well, "alternate facts" to the rescue.

 

[randman1]

You're basically an addict. Discussing anything with you is going to include x-amount irrational subject matter because you're floating in a sea of conspiracy. "Facts" are a fiction, now, thanks in large part to your savior and his flunkies. You don't like the outcome, or the narrative? Well, "alternate facts" to the rescue.

 

[strummingram]

Well, this isn't evidence to YOUR eyes and ears, either. You're taking someone else's word for everything. None of these conclusions are drawn from YOUR personal experience... unless you consider safaris through Conspiracy Wonderland to be your personal experience. That's not the context of Orwell's sentiment in 1984.

 

[bleeduncblue]

I personally know of at least a dozen people who have died from Covid-19.

you know a dozen people who died from Covid? holy hell, i'm glad i dont "know" you!

 

[randman1]

Well, this isn't evidence to YOUR eyes and ears, either. You're taking someone else's word for everything. None of these conclusions are drawn from YOUR personal experience... unless you consider safaris through Conspiracy Wonderland to be your personal experience. That's not the context of Orwell's sentiment in 1984.

Much of it sure is. I watched Fauci and all the other public officials lie through their teeth over and over again. I have definitely in travelling around found the vast majority of people I talked with knew someone who has been severely injured or dead from the vax.

I've watched unfiltered videos of Event 201, open to the public to view, put out by Johns Hopkins, of the October 2019 exercise for how to handle an upcoming coronavirus outbreak. Sponsored by Bill Gates, a Johns Hopkins event. Just a coincidence? I don't think so but regardless it was a stated plan on propaganda; how to control and drown out "misinformation" except the real misinformation all stemmed from those folks, and we saw them carry that out before our eyes with one dumb lie after another.

My personal experience? I know I was one of the last people to get the free monoclonal anti-body shots Trump and then De Santis made available, and that I had the Delta version, and that I did not need a doctor's prescription for it, and that the Biden WH and FDA banned it. It worked very well. Putting 2 and 2 together, it's not difficult to understand why they banned it.

Had I contracted Covid a couple of weeks later, our so-called public officials in DC would have denied me that treatment. Most states denied it anyway or overly restricted it. Florida was one of the few who had it right.

I could go on but it's wasted on you because you won't discuss facts and policies.

 

[gunslingerdick]

Hahahaha. When the predator becomes the prey.

Isn't it, @strummingram ? Now all we need is someone to use a George Carlin quote on you.

 

[gunslingerdick]

you know a dozen people who died from Covid? holy hell, i'm glad i dont "know" you!

Me too but for different reasons.

 

[strummingram]

you know a dozen people who died from Covid? holy hell, i'm glad i dont "know" you!

I know of them- friends of friends, family members of friends. Of course, that could just be Fauci and the government lying to me.