Did Punkson do it again????????
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Hey, I gave you the inspiration and the time it happened. So when SI sends you that big check buy me a new sand wedge or something.
Your Allen "Justification" is to be expected, I would guess. However, Duke is viewed the way that they are viewed, both locally and nationally. The reasons are easy for this poster to spot...
Now looking at my profile to make a dig at me? Exactly what I meant by get a life. This is a group of adults whining about a college kid tripping a couple kids. It's basketball, not a tea party. If every kid had a microscope on him, more than half would be found making a dirty play. I wouldn't condone it, but he hasn't come close to hurting anyone so who cares?
It says it right beneath your username. It's basketball, not a tea party? WTF? I've been playing basketball for a long time, never got the memo that tripping was a part of the game. Hard fouls, yea that's a part of the game. Tripping is? lol, ok. Tripping a couple kids? Dude, this is like 5th time this year. It can be dangerous, I guess it will take someones knee to buckle and have his ACL tear for you to care? Just because it hasn't hurt anyone yet, doesn't mean it's ok.
I propose a rule change for the tripping flagrant foul in NCAA play:
Greyson 1 - Excessive or severe leg whip that requires the use of video monitor with or without slow motion to confirm the act of the intentional trip. Penalty is 2 free throws and the ball.
Greyson 2 - Unsportsmanlike conduct with extreme whip like leg action obvious enough that no review is needed. Penalty is immediate ejection, 2 free throws, and the ball.
Greyson 3 - When there is direct and compelling evidence that the player's coach has instructed the player to trip. Penalty is that coach must run at full speed down the court blindfolded while any player on the opposing team chosen by his coach gets to trip the guilty coach and then the other players get to kick his balls.
Now, time to get busy on the flagrant stomping rules!
Greyson 1 - Excessive or severe leg whip that requires the use of video monitor with or without slow motion to confirm the act of the intentional trip. Penalty is 2 free throws and the ball.
Greyson 2 - Unsportsmanlike conduct with extreme whip like leg action obvious enough that no review is needed. Penalty is immediate ejection, 2 free throws, and the ball.
Greyson 3 - When there is direct and compelling evidence that the player's coach has instructed the player to trip. Penalty is that coach must run at full speed down the court blindfolded while any player on the opposing team chosen by his coach gets to trip the guilty coach and then the other players get to kick his balls.
Now, time to get busy on the flagrant stomping rules!
You are inviting Duke fans to respond? The point @UNC71-00 made was that Carolina fans own up to their teams misgivings but not Duke fans. How about this: I believe Lance Thomas did something shady and Duke Men's Basketball should be punished for it. Now you all go ahead and admit that Roy had knowledge of the whole AFAM scandal and that UNC Basketball should be punished for it. Let's have the punishments be proportional to the crime.
But you won't own up to it, making UNC71-00's point lost. The irony is that Duke fans feel the exact same way about UNC fans that you feel about Duke fans. I think the reason is simple. It isn't popular to denigrate your own team to your own fans, even if you are being truthful. So while I actually do agree with you that Coach K gets the benefit of a lot of calls because of his reputation and him constantly working the refs, it doesn't buy me any favors to point this out. I see @SJung851 make pretty objective observations about the team, yet a majority of people on here jump down his throat because he isn't blindly praising UNC. Same thing happens on our boards. The most popular posts are the ones with the best insults and putdowns.
See, this is where you are basically wrong in every single thing you have just said. Let's break it down.
This is a group of adults whining about a college kid tripping a couple kids. No one is really whining about anything. Discussing a rival player who continually does dirty things isn't whining. That is simply a ridiculous thing to say. You guys still obsess over Hansbrough and he wasn't even dirty. I get it and am ok with it. At least he wasn't doing crappy things because he is such a poor sport though.
It's basketball, not a tea party. No idea what this even means. Technically, you are actually correct here though. They are not having a tea party. Congratulations.
If every kid had a microscope on him, more than half would be found making a dirty play. This just isn't true. It is also a weak way to justify his antics. See, we know who does do dirty things. So there is that.
I wouldn't condone it, but he hasn't come close to hurting anyone so who cares? This is silly in so many ways. A trip could certainly hurt someone else. Just because he has gotten lucky doesn't mean it isn't dangerous. It is just one of those things you don't do. There is nothing at all ordinary or normal about it.
I don't think Duke should be punished for something that isn't proven. That is ridiculous. I can still make fun of the whole jewelry stuff though. That doesn't mean I think they should be punished for it. Make fun of the AFAM stuff all you want. Most Duke fans want UNC punished regardless of how far the facts have been stretched. They can GTH. I don't think many UNC fans deny some crappy stuff went down. Where is the culpability? That is where Duke fans lose their minds and won't listen, just like some UNC fans won't regarding Thomas.
I actually don't think that is his major point though. Most of what Duke fans won't acknowledge is the way their team plays. At times, they flop like crazy. They trip people. They break people's noses. They twist people's nipple (I mean, WTF?). All you guys offer up are excuses and justifications. It is BS, just like Makhtar lying about what instigated his situation was BS. I don't know any UNC that thinks he was justified in the nonsense he pulled. I have to go back that far just to find something to bring up regarding UNC though. Hell, we have to go back just one game for you guys.
This is a pretty good post, unfortunately Cory beat me to pretty much everything I was going to say in response to it. UNC71-00 didn't mention the Thomas situation. Us fans can whine and cry about how Duke should be punished for that, or how UNC should be punished for AFAM, but at the end of the day - do you really think that any posters on this board or the Duke board really have an idea of what exactly went on in either of those situations? Hell, there are people who's job it is to investigate those things, and both of them are years in the past, and nothing conclusive has been found on either of them. How will casual fans who have jobs have the time to get to the bottom of it? And until all the facts are laid out for both of those situations, no punishments should be levied.
The points that 71 brought up though, were things we have definitive visual evidence for. The Laettner stomp, the Henderson punch, the Allen trips, the coach K profanity towards officials, the several blatant flops where upon review you can see no/minimal contact was made, etc. Those are things that are clear as day if you watch the tapes or listen to the audio. Yet several Duke fans refuse to admit any fault for their beloved players. Following in the K footsteps of calling them warriors, or victims, or saying that they just play with an edge of physicality - when the rest of the nation can see that as complete BS. Maybe you haven't checked on here enough to notice, but I tend to make pretty objective observations/statements as well - and I'm in no way a Carolina Sunshine Boy who refuses to admit to the faults of the team/players/coach.
I always know I have won an argument when my wife changes the subject. The difference is at this point I let it die when talking with her; however since makeup sex is not an issue in this particular exchange, I have no worries about continuing to pound you into a pulp.
No one (other than your whiny self) is talking about NCAA infractions and what may or may not have happened. This discussion has nothing to do with players taking classes at North Carolina Central, jewelry, Sociology majors or any of that. Or if you want to talk about this stuff, then get Duke to agree to all FOIA requests. But of course that will never happen, so let's stick to the topic.
Duke plays trashketball, pure and simple, and they play a dirty brand of it. From the head whips to the leg kick 3s to the flops to the pulling and grabbing, your coach encourages the players to do whatever it takes to win. Bend the rules, break the rules, not only do these things not matter-they are coached and part of the premeditated game plan. And K does his part by whining and bitching and moaning and cussing and spitting and glaring and refusing handshakes and generally acting like the biggest asshole coach in the history of sports, and I don't say that lightly. But guess what- he wins. So all is forgiven, at least by his loyal minions.
Duke isn't universally hated because they win, in spite of what K tries to sell (and all of you fools buy, apparently). You are universally hated because of the way you go about winning. He took the Detroit Pistons of the late 80s and raised it 3 notches. But he wins, just like the Pistons did. So own it, relish it, and brag about it. This is who you are. Quit trying to pretend like you are victims of anything and own the fact that you are despised not because of the fact that you win, but because of the chosen style used to secure those wins.
And what your fools also don't get, which is completely entertaining for the rest of us, is that the actual real live people who go to Duke and graduate from Duke don't have a very high opinion of the non-alum fanbase. Unlike most Duke fans and probably 999/1000 of your message board population, I know several guys who graduated from Duke, and they laugh about all the lifelong Duke fans that used to be lifelong State fans before State went in the crapper which coincided with Duke's rise to prominence. What you really are, at least here in NC, are ABCers and Duke is the only place you can go these days to actually have hope of a victory. And as far as the rest of the nation that likes Duke, these are just simply bandwagon fans- you see them in every sport. In short, Duke is only liked by the vast majority of you twerps because Duke wins- which is the very essence of bandwagon.
Because at it's root, Duke is the very embodiment of the 1 per centers. It's an absurdly expensive, elitist private school that looks down it's rather prominent nose at the rest of society and will do whatever it needs to do to maintain power and win. Whereas our love for North Carolina is based on the fact that it is as it was meant to be- the University of the people. (edit- thanks to Charles Kuralt for this beautiful piece of prose)
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So I couldn't decide which meme/gif to reply with: be it a Stone Cold Stunner for how badly 71 laid the smackdown, a slow clap, a roaring applause, a tearful thankyou, a mic drop, etc. but it perfectly encompasses the differences between UNC and Duke and what makes the former great, and latter hated.
All I know is entries for Radar Post of the Year 2016 have now been closed. Can we somehow frame/pin this to simply refer to the next time one of K's minions come over here crackin' wise? Maybe I should take it upon myself to post this over on their "THR Quotes" thread that they enjoy so much.
