Flying Flynny . .

[Blue2010]

To be fair, you have repeatedly demonstrated a blind allegiance to Trump that would lead any rational person question your ability to evaluate his administration objectively.

The reciprocal here is also true, FWIW.

But if you want me to be fair -- I think the Trump team, contrary to what they have said, was prepared to lose the election. I think they had come to grips with it, and when they won, it was a full-on scramble to fill the cabinet...hence, the quick oust of Chris Christie and putting Pence in charge. I think they wound up putting some people in place that probably are less than qualified -- Sean Spicer immediately comes to mind here -- with the hope that those individuals would "learn on the job" and wind up being a good pick, with time. I also think Trump - like many good businessmen - has thrown his picks to the wolves to see who is able to swim vs who sinks. Some would call this a risky move when the state of our country is at hand...but I have said from Day 1 that I think our country is in such a shithole-of-a-situation, that we have no choice but to take this chance. Enduring not just another 8 years of Obama, but a poor-man's Obama at that (Hillary is a complete and utter disaster of a candidate, regardless of party affiliation), would have sent this country into a complete tailspin IMHHHO.

At worst, I think Trump will fix our national security (feelings be damned) and get our economy on track. Even if he falls flat everywhere else, those two things alone make him VASTLY more of a good choice than the alternatives we had.

That is my unbiased answer to you here.

 

[gteeitup]

See, this is the kind of overreaction that's not helping. Having some random hold the briefcase demonstrates a terrible lack of discretion, but doesn't present any real threat to our security. I've grown pretty tired of seeing stories every day about the boy who cried wolf.

"a terrible lack of discretion" isn't just a decision, imo.

 

[BillyL]

See, this is the kind of overreaction that's not helping. Having some random hold the briefcase demonstrates a terrible lack of discretion, but doesn't present any real threat to our security. I've grown pretty tired of seeing stories every day about the boy who cried wolf.

Maybe there were no security papers on the table, maybe Trump didn't take a National Security call on the Korean missile launch, maybe this and that, it certainly gives the appearance of sloppy security, let alone is he possibly discussing national affairs in that setting.

Flynn lead the cheer Lock Her Up . . yet, he can't hold an advisory job with a security clearance for more than a month before fugging that up.

. . and now Republican Senator Roy Blunt has called for a bi-partisan investigation into the Flynn-Russia communiques. I wonder if the alleged accusation that Flynn was using an encryption device in his discussions with the Russians will come up in those investigations. Hmmmm . .

 

[Raising Heel]

To be fair, you have repeatedly demonstrated a blind allegiance to Trump that would lead any rational person question your ability to evaluate his administration objectively.

The reciprocal here is also true, FWIW.

Busted, you got me.

I'll readily agree that the media's treatment of Trump has been unfair.

I'm sure the Democrats will continue their campaign by filibustering every piece of legislation Trump tries to introduce.

Re: episodes of violence during the Inauguration protests. Seems there were plenty of instances.

I'm willing to give Trump a chance.

What she probably meant was that they were basing their press conference statement off different sources of information than what had been presented in the media. An alternative SET of facts, if you will.

He's far smarter than most his detractors give him credit for.

Anywho....

I think they wound up putting some people in place that probably are less than qualified....

But Trump told us he hires the best people.

At worst, I think Trump will fix our national security (feelings be damned)...

Off to a very rocky start.

...and get our economy on track.

There's no question he's pro-business.

That is my unbiased answer to you here.

Thank you, sincerely.

 

[Blue2010]

Busted, you got me.







Anywho....


But Trump told us he hires the best people.

Off to a very rocky start.

There's no question he's pro-business.

Thank you, sincerely.

Fair enough. If you're giving him a chance, that's all we can ask.

I have been on the Trump bandwagon from the beginning, but that doesn't mean I can't be objective. I also think he sucks at articulating his thoughts. He could alleviate a ton of the confusion regarding his message and his intentions -- even with the media lambasting him at every opportunity -- if he could just put his thoughts into words better.

 

[tarheel0910]

Busted, you got me.







Anywho....


But Trump told us he hires the best people.

Off to a very rocky start.

There's no question he's pro-business.

Thank you, sincerely.

I'm going to give you a like as a reward for taking all of that time looking through your past comments.

 

[strummingram]

I have been on the Trump bandwagon from the beginning, but that doesn't mean I can't be objective.

No, it doesn't. When you start exhibiting objective reasoning, I'll be the first to acknowledge it. Until then, you're a "Let's trust him no matter what" kinda person.

He could alleviate a ton of the confusion regarding his message and his intentions -- even with the media lambasting him at every opportunity -- if he could just put his thoughts into words better.

Frankly, I think he puts his thoughts into words very precisely. I think he speaks/tweets/comments/blurts-out exactly what he thinks... to the letter. That is why the media, and most other objective, rational people- lambaste him at every opportunity. He shows exactly the kind of person he is, in the most blatant, obvious ways. I'm thankful for that, actually.

 

[Blue2010]

No, it doesn't. When you start exhibiting objective reasoning, I'll be the first to acknowledge it. Until then, you're a "Let's trust him no matter what" kinda person.




Frankly, I think he puts his thoughts into words very precisely. I think he speaks/tweets/comments/blurts-out exactly what he thinks... to the letter. That is why the media, and most other objective, rational people- lambaste him at every opportunity. He shows exactly the kind of person he is, in the most blatant, obvious ways. I'm thankful for that, actually.

There is no hope here. Agree to disagree.

 

[Hark_The_Sound_2010]

Thank you for your thoughtful input into this discussion.

You're welcome. I tried to mirror the quality of poasts in this thread. I think I did a solid job.

Are you completely unconcerned about state secrets falling into the hands of foreign adversaries? Our reduced capacity to coordinate anti-terrorist activities with our allies?

I'm not unconcerned. But we got past Clinton administration giving nuclear plans/designs to China, we got past the Obama administration giving funding to terrorist ridden counties, and I think we'll get past this. I do enjoy watching the back and forth though.

I wonder if Obama supporters had this much enjoyment when he was in office. Watching the Obama opposition furiously dig for anything to try to throw dirt on him must have been just as fun as it is watching the Trump opposition do the same.

 

[Raising Heel]

I'm going to give you a like as a reward for taking all of that time looking through your past comments.

Searched my poast history for Trump, multi-quoted everything, made revisions for brevity. I'm a poasting machine.

 

[gteeitup]

starting to believe cnn advertising this "first 100 days" on their network was a brilliant marketing idea.

 

[bleeduncblue]

LOCK FLYNN UP . . !

Killary first!

 

[Raising Heel]

You're welcome. I tried to mirror the quality of poasts in this thread. I think I did a solid job.

Which poasts?

But we got past Clinton administration giving nuclear plans/designs to China...

Those were stolen, not given away.

...we got past the Obama administration giving funding to terrorist ridden counties....

Funding =/= state intelligence, but fair enough.

 

[strummingram]

There is no hope here.

That is a concern of mine, too. I am really afraid (yes, fearful) that some people will be so chained to their ego and their history of supporting Trump, that they will refuse to be objective, no matter what happens.

 

[tarheel0910]

starting to believe cnn advertising this "first 100 days" on their network was a brilliant marketing idea.

That's not a CNN thing nor is it something that started with Trump.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_hundred_days

 

[BillyL]

Killary first!

Trumpy got scared and intelligently decided not to . . sure, he talked a lot of shit during the campaign about an independent investigator and all that other BS, but, he punked his fvcking ass out like the pussy he is.

 

[bleeduncblue]

Trumpy got scared and intelligently decided not to . . sure, he talked a lot of shit during the campaign about an independent investigator and all that other BS, but, he punked his fvcking ass out like the pussy he is.

Ha! He was NEVER going to prosecute her, just like Obummer was never going to pardon her. It was all political show and many of us knew it. But if Flynn deserves prison, he should be in line behind the Loser.

 

[Blue2010]

That is a concern of mine, too. I am really afraid (yes, fearful) that some people will be so chained to their ego and their history of supporting Trump, that they will refuse to be objective, no matter what happens.

This level of shade is unbecoming

 

[Blue2010]

Trumpy got scared and intelligently decided not to . . sure, he talked a lot of shit during the campaign about an independent investigator and all that other BS, but, he punked his fvcking ass out like the pussy he is.

May thy true colors shine through, good sir

 

[strummingram]

By the way, I am ALL FOR people in American government trying to find amicable, peaceful, friendly ways to pursue and solve international relations. I don't believe that is something that Donald Trump, himself, concerns himself with, however. Trump prefers to flex his muscles. It feeds his need to appear superior.

Bottom line: Trump reminds me of a unique kind of narcissist. He's the kind of guy that, if it were you and him on a sinking ship, and there were two life vests, he'd take both in case one of them failed.

 

[Blue2010]

By the way, I am ALL FOR people in American government trying to find amicable, peaceful, friendly ways to pursue and solve international relations. I don't believe that is something that Donald Trump, himself, concerns himself with, however. Trump prefers to flex his muscles. It feeds his need to appear superior.

Bottom line: Trump reminds me of a unique kind of narcissist. He's the kind of guy that, if it were you and him on a sinking ship, and there were two life vests, he'd take both in case one of them failed.

We agree on the premise here of wanting the best solution possible, peacefully if at all possible.

We are destined to always disagree on the appropriate mmethod of accomplishing this, and I accept that. It's cool. One of us will wind up being right.

 

[Hark_The_Sound_2010]

That is a concern of mine, too. I am really afraid (yes, fearful) that some people will be so chained to their ego and their history of supporting Trump, that they will refuse to be objective, no matter what happens.

Is the mirror of that happening also a concern of yours? It's definitely one of mine. People so chained to their ego and their history of bashing Trump, that they will refuse to be objective, no matter what happens.

 

[strummingram]

We agree on the premise here of wanting the best solution possible, peacefully if at all possible.

We are destined to always disagree on the appropriate mmethod of accomplishing this, and I accept that. It's cool. One of us will wind up being right.

Well, one of us sees accomplishing peace by advocating violence. That's like trying to get ice by starting a gasoline fire.

 

[JuleZ '02 HEEL]

That's like trying to get ice by starting a gasoline fire.

Not that hard. Plug icemaker into gasoline-powered generator. Voila.

 

[strummingram]

Is the mirror of that happening also a concern of yours? It's definitely one of mine. People so chained to their ego and their history of bashing Trump, that they will refuse to be objective, no matter what happens.

I don't bash the guy because I enjoy it, or because I need him to fail. He does what he does and I see MOST of that as being foolish at best, and flat-out dangerous at worst.

See, I never kissed Obama's ass either, so I don't have to save face, or look for some kind of reciprocation here. Politicians are, for the most part, all full of shit (sorry to be pejoratively vague). Putting our faith in them to handle our affairs is an effort in futility. Now, you can argue that Donald Trump is not a politician. I'll even give you that. But, the problem with Trump is; he's not a person who can be trusted in a place of leadership or authority either. Because, Donald Trump is obsessed with his image. So, he has managed to transition into the epitome of the worst kind of politician, and he did it in a hurry.

 

[Hark_The_Sound_2010]

Well, one of us sees accomplishing peace by advocating violence. That's like trying to get ice by starting a gasoline fire.

Trying to end violence by standing there and doing nothing is like having a bucket of water and trying to stop that gasoline fire - but refusing to use the water to do so.

 

[strummingram]

Not that hard. Plug icemaker into gasoline-powered generator. Voila.

My guess is the fire might melt the ice. The icemaker might survive, however.

 

[strummingram]

Trying to end violence by standing there and doing nothing is like having a bucket of water and trying to stop that gasoline fire - but refusing to use the water to do so.

Not resorting to violence does not equal "not doing anything."

But, we can use your flawed analogy and guarantee ourselves NO END to violence.

 

[JuleZ '02 HEEL]

My guess is the fire might melt the ice. The icemaker might survive, however.

Ok.

 

[Hark_The_Sound_2010]

Not resorting to violence does not equal "not doing anything."

So what do you advocate instead?

 

[tarheel0910]

So what do you advocate instead?

 

[strummingram]

So what do you advocate instead?

About what???

It's pretty simple, violence begets more violence. I advocate using our higher intelligence and finding better ways to solve differences. If you want specifics, we'll need to get specific about an issue. But, I'm not aware of any situation where violence, murder, killing, and abandoning all understanding of civility has ever put an end to violence, murder, killing and abandoning all understanding of civility. If anything, all it has done is allowed the human race to continue to justify it and ultimately using it. If that is the outcome you're happy with, then please don't ever claim that you want peace. Because, you want a poor facsimile of the illusion of peace.

If you murder someone, and they're no longer able to resist or try to kill you... that equals "peace" in the minds of a lot of people. Only, then multiply the numbers of people involved exponentially and... They call it war.

 

[Hark_The_Sound_2010]

About what???

It's pretty simple, violence begets more violence. I advocate using our higher intelligence and finding better ways to solve differences. If you want specifics, we'll need to get specific about an issue. But, I'm not aware of any situation where violence, murder, killing, and abandoning all understanding of civility has ever put an end to violence, murder, killing and abandoning all understanding of civility. If anything, all it has done is allowed the human race to continue to justify it and ultimately using it. If that is the outcome you're happy with, then please don't ever claim that you want peace. Because, you want a poor facsimile of the illusion of peace.

I just know that telling a guy pointing a gun at me that I'd never shoot him is a shitty way of trying to not get shot myself.

 

[strummingram]

I just know that telling a guy pointing a gun at me that I'd never shoot him is a shitty way of trying to not get shot myself.

Well, you do what you think you have to do. Again, if you think you achieve peace by engaging in violence, then that's your version. It's not mine.

 

[gteeitup]

That's not a CNN thing nor is it something that started with Trump.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_hundred_days

i know...but i noticed cnn is using it daily, broadcasting on it the screen, and is saying "so on day 25...."

 

[nctransplant]

Well, you do what you think you have to do. Again, if you think you achieve peace by engaging in violence, then that's your version. It's not mine.

What would have been your course of action after Pearl Harbor?

 

[Blue2010]

What would have been your course of action after Pearl Harbor?

Best guess... Hold up a sign denouncing the American hatred for the Japanese and blame the entire event on America. Through this peaceful demonstration, his life would be spared.

 

[strummingram]

What would have been your course of action after Pearl Harbor?

Well, I probably would have done like my grandfather and been a conscientious objector and helped roll bandages with the Church of the Brethren in Leaksville, NC for 4 years. He'd been a member of the church for about 8 years before 1941.

 

[strummingram]

Best guess... Hold up a sign denouncing the American hatred for the Japanese and blame the entire event on America. Through this peaceful demonstration, his life would be spared.

This is your brain on Breitbart.com...

 

[nctransplant]

Well, I probably would have done like my grandfather and been a conscientious objector and helped roll bandages with the Church of the Brethren in Leaksville, NC for 4 years. He'd been a member of the church for about 8 years before 1941.

So the US should have just accepted the ass-kicking Japan gave us that day and shrugged it off? To better phrase my question, what should the US have done?