Hubert Davis

[GoNtheDistance]

HD will eventually be a very good head coach. the problem is that UNC (or any top tier ACC program) is not the place for a newbie with a learning curve. i like HD a lot and wish him great success somewhere, and maybe he'll return to carolina someday when he's ready.

hopefully not

 

[2DDIMOND]

If Matt Doherty got a job after UNC, I don't see why Hubert can't. I say he gets a pity hire before a return to broadcasting. There's some coaches with worse track records that are still coaching after their first hiring. A few programs would be willing to take a chance.

It’s not that he can’t, it’s that he won’t. I don’t think Hubert wants to coach anywhere but UNC.

 

[NathanFielder]

At first when HD was hired I was frustrated. it didn't sit right that they hired someone with no Head Coaching experience (yes, I know KU hired Roy w/no HC experience), and (if it is true) that Roy was allowed to "hand-pick" his successor, seemingly carrying more weight than Cunningham, the man who is literally paid to perform that responsibility. I felt that Chapel Hill would be the most-coveted and desirable destination for a head coach. I felt kind of deflated after the process. I also wish that HD kept Coach Robinson around.

I then warmed-up to HD in the 22 season as I saw the team start coming together prior to the Heels getting hot and going on a miracle run. IMO they were likely separated from a national championship by an ankle that just couldn't take it anymore.

But even though his resume includes a national championship appearance and an ACC regular season title and another sweet 16 appearance, I understand the frustration surrounding his coaching. I don't get to watch much of any games, but I did watch the second half of the Stanford game. There was a lack of discipline on offense; no movement from the offense. Even EC seemed to be standing still at times. But the lack of discipline was evident, especially defensively on dead ball situations. They were running the same inbounds play each time resulting in the same outcome. There just didn't seem to be any adjustments.

I don't want to throw out names as I hope HD figures it out. And his entire staff is from the UNC family tree, which is a nice gesture. But it is a pipe dream to think it can continue that way. I'm no arborist, but it makes sense to me that a tree is most healthy when all of its branches are able to grow at an equal pace and where the nourishment from the roots is not confined to the trunk and a single main branch of the said tree.

If any of the assistant coaches have objections to HD's coaching, I would hope that they would strongly consider the tough decision of stepping away from their otherwise dream job, to pursue similar or better professional opportunities at other institutions and as such leave the door open for them to return at a later time. Because if HD's tenure gets uglier, any angst may unfortunately get attached to his entire staff.

I have some foundational questions about Hubert and his overall logic in putting together a staff. Clearly being a UNC guy was the most important thing to him. I understand that.

My main question is if you want to implement a new type of system that revolves around some iteration of small ball and you yourself have 0 coaching experience with that other than one season (where Roy started PJ Hairston over Desmond Hubert midway through the season), shouldn’t your staff include former coaches that were part of staffs that played that style of basketball? No one on UNC’s staff that I know of had any college success as a coach with that.

It would be like the Pittsburgh Steelers deciding they’re going to run the triple option offense but their only requirement is hiring ex Steeler players. It just logically makes no sense.

And I don’t necessarily have a problem with playing small or 5-out. Teams have won National Championships playing that style. I know people will disagree with me but one style vs UNC’s traditional system isn’t superior or inferior. It’s about how it’s coached and executed and the talent level and coach-ability of your players.

I’m personally out on Hubert. I don’t think he offers any advantage on game day and in fact I think he starts every game at a disadvantage against a coach that understands analytics because I don’t think Hubert understands them. He’s already said publicly he doesn’t care about them and I think that’s a disadvantage today.

If he comes back though, it must be with a better coaching staff that reflects the kind of basketball he wants to play. If it’s all ex UNC guys like now, might as well play 2 bigs and recruit to that. If he wants to play a more modern spread system, he must fill his staff with those that understands that system. Hubert clearly doesn’t to the fullest and there’s no evidence that his staff understands it judging from their backgrounds.

Just a lot of weird things that don’t make logical sense to me. And that’s beyond just the wins and losses.

 

[dtodd4475]

Here the problem if you keep him after this year. If this year continues in the direction it is what does another year do?

Let's say he improves next year and finishes 4th or 5th in the ACC and makes the tournament but lose in the 2nd round. What then? How do you not fire him after this poor year, and then he improves to a little better but not to Carolina standards, how can you fire him then?

The problem for Hubert is inconsistency are not the type of program that is going to be okay with being a middle of the road team that has one decent year and then a shit year.

There is not any consistency with rosters from year to year now. I think many of us long for James Worthy as a junior, chanting one more year, knowing Sam Perkins is behind, and the freshman named Jordan behind him, plus 3 other McDonald's all American guys. Picking from the next crop of AA's to reload.

Not the present situation in basketball, you can 1 and done like Duke, but if you are not a fan of that then I am hesitant to the why inconsistent is the concern. if it's not that all in on top talent for one year, then it is a revolving door mentality at the UNC expectations level if you want the old days. Not a fan of that.

He has been here 3 and a half years, played in the National title game, was a coach of the year, 1 seed, sweet 16 loss. Total bust of a year in between, struggle in 4th, with a VERY flawed roster. I think he gets year 5. Wilson and the portal next year, as today's year to year roster system is set up will be key.

If a Jay Wright is interested, ok, if not, Coach K and Dean would of been run off by year 4, if not before, as most wanted at the time. We are a spoiled fan base, and the playing field has changed. It ain't the same landscape.

 

[notashelbyfan]

There is not any consistency with rosters from year to year now. I think many of us long for James Worthy as a junior, chanting one more year, knowing Sam Perkins is behind, and the freshman named Jordan behind him, plus 3 other McDonald's all American guys. Picking from the next crop of AA's to reload.

Not the present situation in basketball, you can 1 and done like Duke, but if you are not a fan of that then I am hesitant to the why inconsistent is the concern. if it's not that all in on top talent for one year, then it is a revolving door mentality at the UNC expectations level if you want the old days. Not a fan of that.

He has been here 3 and a half years, played in the National title game, was a coach of the year, 1 seed, sweet 16 loss. Total bust of a year in between, struggle in 4th, with a VERY flawed roster. I think he gets year 5. Wilson and the portal next year, as today's year to year roster system is set up will be key.

If a Jay Wright is interested, ok, if not, Coach K and Dean would of been run off by year 4, if not before, as most wanted at the time. We are a spoiled fan base, and the playing field has changed. It ain't the same landscape.

I don't really disagree with anything that you said, but first off UNC and Duke wasn't what we know now when K and Dean was hired to their respective jobs, just like Kansas now if the same Kansas that it was when Roy was hired, so giving them extra time to develop into head coaches that they became the rope was a little longer.

When Dean was hired Carolina had only won 2 national championship at that time '57 and the other in '24 when they was still shooting at peach baskets, so with Dean the standard wasn't really set for Dean to keep going, but yet Dean set the standard. And the same with K.

When K was hired he had 5 years of head coaching experience and was coming to a school that had never won a national championship.

The roster is flawed but he is ultimately responsible for the roster.

We are not a spoiled fan base we are a proud fan base, that expect better that we have gotten in the last few years.

I have never understood why we want to brag about our accomplishments and how offen and how well we do basketball until we don't and we don't like it and then we have to be spoiled.

Someone on here earlier this week and something to the effect a moral victory because we lead Florida and Kansas late, come on really.

Let's leave that filling up the moral victories trophy cabinet crap up to MooU and South Carolina Football.

North Carolina show never be so bad that a home loss to Stanford in January is pretty much sealing our post season fate because we got Wake on the road coming up 2 Pitt games a Clemson game and 2 Dook games and we know all those games cpuld very well be losses.