Hubert Davis

[DSouthr]

Their 2025 class is top-ranked (per 247) but isn't nearly as good as the current freshmen.

Scheyer showed he could fill in the gaps from the portal pretty well, but he'll need to do more of that - depending on who returns - to keep Duke on top, even in this mediocre conference. And if Hubert has the NIL he needs, he could give Scheyer a run.

Duke is still investing more in high school recruiting than the portal, in other words playing freshman over upper classmen. They have been fortunate to be able to get the biggest and best of high school recruiting. But Ky was doing it before duke and slipped when they had a class that didn't work out as projected, freshmen don't always work out as day 1 super stars. They have built their run with the best BIG MEN coming from high school ball, your big men are the real different makers.

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

Duke is still investing more in high school recruiting than the portal, in other words playing freshman over upper classmen. They have been fortunate to be able to get the biggest and best of high school recruiting. But Ky was doing it before duke and slipped when they had a class that didn't work out as projected, freshmen don't always work out as day 1 super stars. They have built their run with the best BIG MEN coming from high school ball, your big men are the real different makers.

My sense is that there are fewer "failures" among top freshmen these days. They are still freshmen, but they play a lot more in front of big crowds every summer, so they are more "ready" for the next level.

I say that's my sense, but I don't know if it's true. Are there numbers on that?

 

[NCAAUCoach]

You have to decide what type of talent/make up you want. What has hurt UNC in recent years is they will recruit a top kid and that kid will sit much more than he would at other places. That's because the UNC way is to reward seniority. Teams like UK and Duke turn over their roster more frequently so more minutes are available. It's tough to get top kids to come play 15 mins off the bench. So, either UNC needs to play the best talent and bring older kids off the bench, or they need to admit they won't get top kids as frequently and need to find kids that can develop. The latter is not the state of current college basketball. You need a mix of high school and portal kids each year and your roster will look different year to year. I'm not a fan of that, but it is the reality of college sports.

 

[DSouthr]

If I were to rank playing positions n order of importance to a team winning I would have the center position as most important to wining, followed by the PG position. Argue if you will but I say this not as just what I believe but to as well bring up the point. That point being how many centers has Hubert successfully brought to UNC, he is about to wrap up his 4th season as head coach? I believe that number is 2, they being Pate Nance and Tony Shaver. I do not include Lubin in that because I don't buy him as a 5 at 6'8", sorry but just don't. How about PGs Hubert has brought in, I believe that would be 1 single PG in what is about to be the end of his 4th season as head coach, that 1 being Cadeau.

Now Hubert has brought in several 2s, 3, and an interesting assortment of 4s but the 2 most critical to winning positions, 2 centers, one being a total bust and the other was made to play way out of position, used as a stretch 4 Pete Nance? One single PG... So we are having now to play a lot of guys out of position, must go in to every game we play with the disadvantage of having one of the smallest front courts in the NCAA to now go along with one of the smallest back courts in the NCAA as well. Right there is the problem and we fully realized this before tip off of the first pre-season game, we didn't just learn this 2 weeks ago.

Excuse me if I struggle to understand why so much fury now for something we have known all season? I am not in to the burn it down now movement, I am more in to finding the problems and fixing them so they are not there for who ever our head coach may be. I find it near impossible to believe that Hubert went in to the last portal (as examaple) fully knowing just how badly we needed a solid center and all we can come away with is Lunin and Claude? I want to know what real factors played in to that and that is not being discussed, common sense tells you there were other factors at play that no one seems interested in talking about, I want to know what they were and how they are to be or are now fixed. I find myself nearly every single game we have played this season think to myself "sure wish we had got that big man"? I want to know, for example, why Syracuse can get a Eddy lampkins but UNC can't?

 

[NathanFielder]

Btw, what was with Hubert's response to a pretty vanilla question about the GM search?

“Yeah, I’m going to stay away from those comments in regards to a GM. I feel like over the last couple of weeks, or two-and-a-half weeks, in response to my answer to a question on a radio show, it’s been twisted in regards to supporting different narratives. And my focus right now is this team and coaching this team and trying to reach our full potential and trying to become the best that we can become this season.”

Just very odd. Now it's becoming a media vs UNC thing even though Hubert can completely control the narrative surrounding the GM search. He knows that this kind of response will open up more theories and opinions about the future of UNC basketball. He had an opportunity to set the narrative and decided to have a passive-aggressive type response.

This is a really minor thing, but it's part of being the CEO of an organization, in which the head coach is in major college basketball.

He just opened up more opportunities for his words to get twisted. Not very savvy for a person who was in the media.

 

[bleeduncblue]

The ACC is already dead it just doesn't know it yet.

This is correct. UNC will be in the SEC within 6 years.

 

[DSouthr]

This is correct. UNC will be in the SEC within 6 years.

Yeah, I said last week we would be out of the ACC in 5yrs, 2 would not surprise me, I was being conservative in my estimation being honest. The ACC is about to be blown up, FSU and Clemson may be holding the dynamite but UNC holds the torch for the fuse.

 

[2DDIMOND]

Their 2025 class is top-ranked (per 247) but isn't nearly as good as the current freshmen.

Scheyer showed he could fill in the gaps from the portal pretty well, but he'll need to do more of that - depending on who returns - to keep Duke on top, even in this mediocre conference. And if Hubert has the NIL he needs, he could give Scheyer a run.

Now I’m hearing Flagg might return for his sophomore year, that would be insane, not to mention really bad for us.

 

[alabamaheel]

Now I’m hearing Flagg might return for his sophomore year, that would be insane, not to mention really bad for us.

I don’t know where you’re hearing this from but if it’s the voices inside your head, I’d put on some earmuffs with music lol

 

[dtodd4475]

I don’t know where you’re hearing this from but if it’s the voices inside your head, I’d put on some earmuffs with music lol

Flagg made the comment. I think it would take a huge amount for one more year 20 million type I would guess. I don't see it happening, but it was directly from the horses mouth. Cooper is the one who said he is considering it, for whatever that is worth.

 

[KeeLo]

Yeah, I said last week we would be out of the ACC in 5yrs, 2 would not surprise me, I was being conservative in my estimation being honest. The ACC is about to be blown up, FSU and Clemson may be holding the dynamite but UNC holds the torch for the fuse.

VT 1st half stats vs BC: 11pts; 5-25 FG. Only scored 36 for the entire game.

 

[Quest4Seven]

Duke is still investing more in high school recruiting than the portal, in other words playing freshman over upper classmen. They have been fortunate to be able to get the biggest and best of high school recruiting. But Ky was doing it before duke and slipped when they had a class that didn't work out as projected, freshmen don't always work out as day 1 super stars. They have built their run with the best BIG MEN coming from high school ball, your big men are the real different makers.

They still havent done anything significant either with Scheyer. 2nd round beating in his first year and only got to the Elite 8 last year because Houston lost their All American in the first half

 

[DSouthr]

They still havent done anything significant either with Scheyer. 2nd round beating in his first year and only got to the Elite 8 last year because Houston lost their All American in the first half

I think the calculus now for building a natty contender has changed, now the key go to new comers has to be more portal in guys than guys from high school. Now of course, the very best high school talents NEVER enter the portal, they one and done. Some of those guys are mega talents, like Cooper Flagg is this season, some like I fully believe the big Boozer, Peterson, Dybantsa, and Caleb Wilson are talents you just can't get thru the portal so you want at least 1 of those kind of guys out of high school.

 

[Oak ridger]

Roy Williams backs Hubert Davis as North Carolina teeters on NCAA Tournament bubble: 'We've got the right guy'. Maybe in 5 years UNC will have a new BB coach.​

 

[notashelbyfan]

Roy Williams backs Hubert Davis as North Carolina teeters on NCAA Tournament bubble: 'We've got the right guy'. Maybe in 5 years UNC will have a new BB coach.​

Like Roy was going to say anything else.

 

[dtodd4475]

Like Roy was going to say anything else.

Roy went yard, saying he can't wait to laugh at the fanbase and the fire him crowd with his accomplishments already. 👀

 

[Archer2]

THAT is EXACTLY what I hope we see!

BADLY needed is some one or a team that breaks down game film for both teams we will play and how we play. The turn around between games is simply not enough time to really break down film in great detail. Example, we played Pitt, you heard the announcer, over and over and over say, that PG is great going to his left but not so much to his right. Clearly UNC did not realize that prior to this game because our guards were actually hedging him to drive left. Just 1 example of many but this is information you want your coach to have so he can drill the players on taking away that guys left hand. You have to really drill down to find those tendencys, time I am not sure Hubert has had.

Know who fits that job best, a coach of a small program because those guys have to search hard for any advantage they can get, they don't typically get the super star talents, they have to find and use any advantage they can because his teams can't out talent you.

I am as well hoping to see a version of offensive coordinator and defensive coordinator, a standard in football but an experienced hand to help our coach form a solid attack on both ends. Especially so for our head coach that is just now in his 4th season EVER as a head coach. To me, coaches should coach players PERIOD. WE should have a big man coach, recall coach Gut, we should have a guard coach, we should have a PG specific coach, should have a shooting coach. This positionless stuff is bull crap, it never made any sense, still doesn't. Hubert can talk position less all he wants, he knows better, when I see Cadeau trying to play the center spot and Lubin running as our PG, then maybe I will say Hubert believes in positionless ball, I do not expect to see that. But all this nonsense switching all 5 positions does have Cadeau trying to defend a big man deep in the paint, that is called "MOUSE IN THE HOUSE", it does not work out well for the little guy.

"mouse in the house", I had to laugh Dave.

I did not speak to the recruiting aspect of this front office, it is maybe the most exciting aspect of this from my view point. I do caution, what I am offering is what I think and hope will be our front office frame work, it is very similar to what Belichick is doing on the football side.

Now imagine, a team that breaks down game film in as much depth as you would breaking down game film of a player you play in your next game. First you look for measurables like Height, weight, reach, bench press, legs squat, 40 times ect. Then sort it for position projected to play and if they cross over positions. For a guard you really want to fine tune in on speed and quickness, a big man how well does he get off the floor, better 1 leg or 2, physical strength and balance shown to play thru contact. These are all aspects that tell you if the kid has or can have with S/C work the physical tools you are looking for. It can project what physical limitations a kid may have. Those that pass thru this filter go to the next filter.

Say on a scale of 1-10, how competitive is he, does he play multiple sports in high school, does he seem to have a bit of a chip, is he a fighter that does not back down easy. How is he in the classroom, any run ins with the law, who is running his recruitment? These are questions to get a feeling for the kid himself, is he coachable, will we have off court issues ect. If it is a portal kid I want to talk to that old schools version of AJ. I don't trust national services because at most they are lucky to see a kid play 3 times before they start pushing him but that local reporter that is on the ground near him attends all his games, takes the time to think thru all those games and gives you insite that national guys just can't.


I then pass on all that filtered information to the GM who is the bean counter, who talks to agents, talks to family, talks to coaches, determines what numbers have to happen and if UNC can afford them. If Hubert says I need 2 big men and a wing shooter, the GM hands him a list of 4-5 centers, 4-5 power forwards, and 4-5 shooter wings.l The ones Hubert likes the GM then makes contact with the kid, his family, and again to his coaches to gauge the kid's interest in UNC already knowing the numbers. Weeds the list for Hubert to get involved with down to 4 or 5 guys, from there the GM and Hubert work together to make contact and set visits. If Hubert for example has 2 or 3 guys in mind, pass them to the recruiting team to explore first and get back to Hubert those guys that pass thru.

Trying to give a basic frame work, it will have to be tweeked, going to have to find a lot of just right fit's for the roles, will have to rely on grad assts at least for a while. IO expect there to be a fly wheel effect initially in play but one it begins to run smoothly, you will see the results on the floor. Did you realize that duke has this so down now that Cooper Flagg has his own personal coach in Chris Carrawell that sits right there on that duke bench.

And this just may be a very good approximation of what really needs to happen in order to run a big time program in the future.

Let me say this real slow for you, UNC football will not become successful at UNC basketball's expense, they will BOTH grow together. Got it, good, now you can go back to screaming for a coach to be fired and being jealous of UNC basketball, as you have expressed on these boards for years. Better start your Fire Belichick yodel, you would not want to be caught not in full voice come football season.

Hey guys, do you recall this poster inventing the tag for UNC fans that love the basketball program, he used "basketball firsters" in a demeaning manner aimed toward those of us that happen to love UNC basketball, I am not listening to his BS.

He's got FDS.

Flagg made the comment. I think it would take a huge amount for one more year 20 million type I would guess. I don't see it happening, but it was directly from the horses mouth. Cooper is the one who said he is considering it, for whatever that is worth.

What do you think Flagg is making this year?