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I just read that Marvin Bagley...
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Don't give a Rat's arse who goes to d00k! It's a GDTBATH!
If the LOM can screw up last year's team which included 3 first round draft picks, the 1st pick of the second round, and oh BTW also included the preseason ACCPOY, then he can screw up anything.
Bring 'em on.
Bring 'em on.
You're crazy. Bagley would be the best Duke recruit since Irving. It doesn't make me a bad fan to say that Duke, with Bagley, would be an excellent team. IDC who the coach is.
This guy is that good. I hope he goes to some school far away from UNC.
they should be an excellent team without Bagley. They have a 5 star at every position.
Trust me when I say worse is said about me on this board. Lol.Banned? Surprising considering all the fun they make of you.
#ImaJackOff
Anywho. If bagley comes soon, I think Bolden can still xfer and his 1 year sitting out should still leave him eligible for all next season? It isn't fall semester yet.
Exactamundo!
They should have been at least a final four team last year, even with their injury issues.
It's all about timing and morality. K-Rat is a selfish man that only thinks about himself. We have to look at the facts. The facts are that Duke has had record number of players to transfer over the past several years. Roy has not had a transfer in years. What does this tell you? Why do so many players transfer from Duke? It's because K makes promises to players and does not keep them. He is recruiting over 4-5 star players. Nothing wrong with K recruiting Bagley. The problem is Bolden getting blindsided a few weeks before fall classes. There is no way Bolden would be at Duke if he would have known it was a good chance that Bagley would be at Duke this fall. K trapped Bolden and it is a shame.
Bottomline, the FACTS are Duke has a record # of transfers, UNC does not. Why Timmy? Perhaps it's because Roy puts his players interests above his personal interests. Ummm?
The formula must be working...2 national title games the last 2 years. When was the last time Duke did that Timmy?
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Here's what Duke's front line looks like with Bagley
JR PF #227 Vrankovich 7'0 261
SO C #16 Bolden 6'11 245
SO PF #40 DeLaurier 6'10 220
FR PF #6 Carter 6'10 262
FR PF #1 Bagley 6'10 190
Bolden is the only guy listed as a true center. But Carter and Vrank certainly have the size for the position.
I doubt Vrank will get a lot of minutes this year, but he does remind some of the Plums - all of whom were good by their last year. It's easy to dismiss him because of his low ranking out of HS, but he isn't a HS kid any more, so who knows? We are counting on our lower-ranked bigs to perform well for us, so we should allow for the possibility that Duke's low-ranking guy could do the same.
The clips I've seen of Bagley make me think he could easily slide to SF as needed. That could take some pressure off Trent (only 6'5) and lower-ranked players to fill that spot. Say 10 minutes at SF, the rest at PF.
DeLaurier might be good some day, but he looks like he's only a backup PF at this stage. Then again, lots of players surge in their second year.
So, if Vrank and DeLaurier combine for 20 minutes (which may be on the high side in K's system), and Bagley plays some of his minutes at SF, that leaves plenty of front line minutes to divide among Carter, Bolden and Bagley. Bolden may start, but even if he doesn't, he should get starter minutes, as long as he works for them.
Without Bagley, guys like Tucker and Salt have to fill in at SF, DeLaurier gets more minutes at PF, while Bolden gets all the minutes he can handle in the post.
Either way, Bolden should get plenty of PT, if he's ready for it.
JR PF #227 Vrankovich 7'0 261
SO C #16 Bolden 6'11 245
SO PF #40 DeLaurier 6'10 220
FR PF #6 Carter 6'10 262
FR PF #1 Bagley 6'10 190
Bolden is the only guy listed as a true center. But Carter and Vrank certainly have the size for the position.
I doubt Vrank will get a lot of minutes this year, but he does remind some of the Plums - all of whom were good by their last year. It's easy to dismiss him because of his low ranking out of HS, but he isn't a HS kid any more, so who knows? We are counting on our lower-ranked bigs to perform well for us, so we should allow for the possibility that Duke's low-ranking guy could do the same.
The clips I've seen of Bagley make me think he could easily slide to SF as needed. That could take some pressure off Trent (only 6'5) and lower-ranked players to fill that spot. Say 10 minutes at SF, the rest at PF.
DeLaurier might be good some day, but he looks like he's only a backup PF at this stage. Then again, lots of players surge in their second year.
So, if Vrank and DeLaurier combine for 20 minutes (which may be on the high side in K's system), and Bagley plays some of his minutes at SF, that leaves plenty of front line minutes to divide among Carter, Bolden and Bagley. Bolden may start, but even if he doesn't, he should get starter minutes, as long as he works for them.
Without Bagley, guys like Tucker and Salt have to fill in at SF, DeLaurier gets more minutes at PF, while Bolden gets all the minutes he can handle in the post.
Either way, Bolden should get plenty of PT, if he's ready for it.
I figured Bagley slotted more as a SF tbh but Duke normally plays 1 big. So the front line you have listed there is a lot of fluff.
Bagley will see most of his time at 4 IMO. He can play the 3 as well, but his game is perfect for K's stretch forward system he likes to use.
I'm assuming K will play 2 bigs when he has them. He seems to have worked to build a deep front line.
Even without Bagley, it's been a while since K had a front line this deep and talented. Certainly not the last 2 years.
Three years back, K had Okafor, Jefferson and Plum3. Okafor was the real deal. Jefferson was getting good but was scrawny, and Plum3 was still a year away. Plus K had Winslow. I sort of doubt that Trent will be as good as Winslow. But you never know.
As I flip back through the years, I keep seeing just 1 or 2 bigs worth mentioning. This year will be different, with or without Bagley - unless, of course, Duke runs into injuries or players who aren't ready.
Add Bagley and Duke should be a powerhouse even if they have an injury or under-performer up front.
If I were a Duke fan I would be very excited about this coming season.
Who does he push to the bench?
With guys like Bagley and Carter, you want them on the floor for as many minutes at they can handle.
SF is a much bigger question mark for this roster than the front line. People expect Trent to be very good. But he's really a SG. Duke's backups at SF may be decent, but we haven't seen any reason to think they would make the team better.
Don't think of it as a choice between Bagley at PF vs Bolden at C (Bagley playing more at PF pushing Carter to to play more at C, with Bolden playing fewer minutes) . Bagley is probably the right choice there. Instead think of it as a choice between Salt or Tucker at SF vs Bolden at C. Bolden is almost certainly the right choice there, and you max Bagley AND Bolden by having Bagley play some SF.
Not just for those reasons. He's just a clown. A profane, self centered, ego laden, lying, hair-dying, unsportsmanlike, rat-faced, squinty-eyed, mealy-mouthed, player abusing piece of crap a$$hole clown.
Got it?
I agree that's the probable starting lineup. That's what I would pencil in. The question is who plays the other minutes.
In particular, do you bring in Tucker or Salt to play the SF minutes when Trent is out? Or do you slide Bagley to that position.
If you move Bagley to SF for those minutes, you still have a star at that position. You can then move Carter to PF and bring in Bolden. (Or if DeLaurier should happen to be better than Bolden, you keep Carter at C and bring in DeLaurier).
As I tried to suggest earlier, it's a choice between these trios. Which would you rather have on the floor.
Bagley - Carter - Bolden
or
Tucker - Bagley - Carter
And that's just the first permutation.
Having Bagley play some SF also helps down the line. Duke is thin at PG and SG.
Putting Bagley in for some minutes at SF means Trent can play more minutes at his natural SG position, freeing Allen to shift to PG when Duval needs a blow.
Again, the issue is how to have your best players on the court for the most minutes.
Obviously all of this could change depending on how well people actually play. But assuming no surprises, playing Bagley some at SF (where some is at least 10 minutes) just makes a lot of sense because of how it helps Duke's better players get more minutes.
I do hold back sometimes....Don't sugarcoat it Dean, tell us how you really feel.
I think the guy that loses the most if Bagely comes to Duke is potentially going to be Delaurier. Bagely is going to be a huge talent at the 4/3 where Delaurier figured to see some action. The other guy that would lose minutes would be Vrank. The irony in the situation is that I actually think Bagely coming to Duke would help Bolden. I liked Bolden and Carter but I'd love Bagely and Bolden even more. Bolden could easily not start, but I do see him still getting his 20-25mpg as the three of them will be rotating together. In certain scenarios I could see all three playing where Bagely moves to the 3 in a big set- I especially like this because of our lack of depth at guard.
1. Your first paragraph is nothing but an emotional opinion. You're free to stand on your moral soap box and shout to the world that you think K only cares about himself and screws over everyone he surrounds himself with, but again that's your opinion- so much like I stated originally I'm not going down that rabbit hole with you.
2. What does a record number of transfers even mean? Show me. You said it was FACT. Fact as in most in the NCAA? Of the ACC? Over what period of time? Please advise, since I certainly cannot find anything FACTUAL about the number of transfers.
3. I'm not sure your point? Are you suggesting that K didn't get to two straight national championship games because of transfers? Doesn't make a whole lot of sense. If that was the only reason, man you've cracked the code.
Yes, I can get emotional at times.
2. I should have said the the most 4-5 star transfers over the past 5-6 years. Jeter, Semi,Thornton, Murphy and Gninge are 5 players in the last few years. Thornton, Murphy and Jeter were 5 stars! Name me a another NCAA team with three 5-star transfers? I'll help you...none! Stop it Timmy, stop it.
3. Playing time, players auditioning for the NBA and dissention. Duke players at times are not happy with their roles. Bolden and Jeter would have started for several teams in the ACC, but as always K recruits over players and uses a limited bench and does not develop his players. UNC players enjoyed playing with each other the last 2 years and Duke had more talent.
Stop it Timmy!
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Like I said in my first reply, I could easily tell you the reality of each of the kids you mentioned that transfer but what's the point, your mind is made up and based on what you want to believe happens rather than reality of the situation.Yes, I can get emotional at times.
2. I should have said the the most 4-5 star transfers over the past 5-6 years. Jeter, Semi,Thornton, Murphy and Gninge are 5 players in the last few years. Thornton, Murphy and Jeter were 5 stars! Name me a another NCAA team with three 5-star transfers? I'll help you...none! Stop it Timmy, stop it.
3. Playing time, players auditioning for the NBA and dissention. Duke players at times are not happy with their roles. Bolden and Jeter would have started for several teams in the ACC, but as always K recruits over players and uses a limited bench and does not develop his players. UNC players enjoyed playing with each other the last 2 years and Duke had more talent.
Stop it Timmy!
Back to the main point which is Bagely and Bolden. There is plenty of time for Bolden. Plenty. He Carter and Bagely should play a ton. Would he start necessarily? Maybe not. If that means he's going to run, then maybe we are better off. I hope he continues to work as hard as I've heard.
As for the "recruiting over" that's one of my favorite made up terms on message boards. It's such a weak term and excuse- big time college basketball hasn't changed in terms of the fact that the best teams and coaches are going to go after the best players every single year. Not to mention that in today's game it's more important than ever to do so with how many kids leave after one or two years and with how many transfers occur each year- plenty of articles on how many it's been over the last couple if you'd like to read them.
You like your coach and his methods, we like ours. There's more than one way to skin a cat, as both have amply proven.
But it's our board so we're going to talk a little smack about the LOM.
But it's our board so we're going to talk a little smack about the LOM.
And rightfully so. K is not above criticism, especially on how he manages (or doesnt manage) his bench. However, in this scenario I don't see it being a problem because we only had 5 sure fire starters.....now we have six. There are still plenty of minutes to go around and unless Bolden (or whoever isn't starting) sulks and pouts there's absolutely no reason in can't work. Then we should have DLaurier getting minutes and possibly even one more (Tucker maybe) getting minutes. That's 8 guys and typically what K likes to use.
Yeah it always confuses me when Dukies come on here and get mad when we bash them. It's like they think they are running a UNC lovefest on DI.
Timmy, lets agree to disagree. Both of us have stated our case. Let's resume our civil debate when the season starts.
Not that it matters one bit, but we'd be a great fit for Bagley right now. We badly need both a starting 5 and a "backup" 4. He'd have an easy 30 minutes per game on a title contender that uses bigs (I know he fancies himself a 3/4, but he's a 4 in the NBA).
He decides monday on espn at 11pm. Maybe the late decision time means a west coast choice... = / lol
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