Interesting offer...
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Serious question. What percentage would it take for some of you to consider them to be a good source?
I consider them a really good source and some of the anti-faction quote their picks an awful lot. I think some on here think there is this conspiracy against UNC and that colors their opinion.
For the most part, red-shirts are just not practical in hoops because of limited numbers and time frames.
C'mon man. That's WAY oversimplified. Some of us here just see it for what it is. Humans are making those predictions and many of those humans are FAR from objective. There are also some "group-think" bandwagon dynamics there. Simple fact. Nothing more, nothing less.
What I can't figure out is why anyone would be so attached to them, especially a Carolina fan...?
It's not just the unc recruits I personally look at. I looked at a majority of their top 75. Their predictions for one, use writers of schools, that always picked their schools. Then u have othesr that's just going with the popular choice. Look at their timeline of predictions, it's very inaccurate. However, some not just on here, is taking their word as gospel. Especially since bleacher report reference them a lot now.
Disagree with what you say first. Roy's good teams have regularly had at least one "role-player" type guy. '05 had Byron Sanders, '09 had Mike Copeland, last years team had Big Joel.
These guys are more than players, they are practice partners, team mates and important cogs in the wheel. It also helped that Big Joel was a pretty good student athlete and great representative of the team at a time when it was sorely needed.
Agree with your second part though, I think "The Huff" has a higher playing ceiling than Big Joel.
Not really, maybe we've done the whole "merits of 247" topic to death in recent months. Personally, I think it's all based on whispers and assumptions you've got skewed predictions early in the recruitment thanks to the way interviewers ask questions and contort answers and then closer to an announcement the predictions become a little more accurate (dare I say, people close to a recruit or a school leak the info?)I guess everyone but @HeelFan58 has me on ignore.
All that said, the wrong call on Ayton was a doosie.... a real journalist at a real news outlet would get a rocket up their behind for that.
I think they have their own sources and inside info, so I wouldn't say it's all whispers and assumptions. If they had a 90% success rate would you take them more serious or just kind of ignore them?
A real journalist at a real news outlet would get a rocket up their butt? Really? What news outlets are you watching? Do you see the news that passes for truth? It was hardly a doozie. Ayton was a lock for KU , but they and UK both backed off and Az took his commitment. The word is he will never get in school anywhere.
I never saw your prediction on Ayton...bud.
I mentioned zona and him briefly late spring / early summer, no prediction but it was a distinct possibility --- more so than uk and a helluva lot more than 0% like your heroes at 24/7. Hell, there was talk among some AAU folks about the zona connection up in Suwanee the day I saw him and McCoy go up against Carter.
I'm sure I didn't go into much more detail here for a couple of reasons: 1) there was no chance Ayton was coming to UNC so it wasn't particularly relevant, and 2) there's a lot of inside stuff I only discuss with my mafia and/or a few trusted board folks via DM or email, honestly largely because I get sick of dealing with lame passive-aggressive commentary.
FYI: The last sentence has a good chance of being true --- the rest is revisionist horsesh*t.
Fair comment, and a good reason why I don't watch the news anymore. But, as a guy who worked as a sports journo in a national newsroom, I can tell you I would have got a massive chewing out for it "in my day"
Prime Example: check out the recent news on Randolph and have someone keep trying to defend them. Even Meyer, who is hailed by some, had the wrong pick.
The percentage isn't what the source (no pun intended) of the issue is. It's how that percentage is achieved. Often, they pick the right school the day of the commitment. It's been done many times on different recruits. I get that recruiting is fluid and recruits change their mind like the wind, but you're telling me that they can predict each time a recruit is changing their mind? Does that mean the kid only knows the day of where he's going to school?? Lol.
The pro-247 crowd keep claiming we're upset because we think they're anti-UNC, and whille there even is merit to show for that, it is not the main problem. Every article they write cites their crystal ball predictions. Ive even stopped reading them due to that very fact.
I like the idea of giving us a feel for who's leaning where, but the way they do it is the main reason why they get so much slack.
At least give us a reason as to why the change. Most had no idea why or how Randolph went from 0% to 75%. Now it's clear there was probably no 75% to begin with. Why not just use the High/Low interest bar like scout and rivals used to? Or even wait until theirs a decent amount of info to actually make an educated prediction as to where they think the recruit will go, instead of picking 5 different schools from the moment they open up their recruitment to the day of?
Hell, I could even do without them needing to broadcast their predictions at all. Doesn't bother me in the slightest. Just tired of getting slack for not liking a service I didn't ask for.
How can they be considered "serious source" when they can flip flop their picks all the way up til decision day? If they made their picks and stuck with it their % would be awful. But it is good entertainment none the less. There are some good guys there but none better than our Clint.
Not that I am a defender of 247 but again, I consider them just another resource, just another tool in the bag when looking at recruiting. What is the better tool in your bag, the screw driver or the hammer, well that kinda depends on the job doesn't it? Of you want instant info and don't want to dig around, especially if all your resources are on the internet, then 247 is as good as you will find.
I would much rather they not so much try to crystal ball but provide a heat meter and each of those experts explain why they have their heat measure where they do. Randolph is a great example, had us at 75% at one time, why? You guys know how I saw that, not like I have been shy or crypitic concerning Randolph, I believe I called the offer a head scratcher or something akin when it went out. Frankly I was shocked at the 75% from 247, I mean Randolph I assume can do the math, we I assume could all as well, I did and the result was easy, we had more 2 guards than was a good fit for the kid. I wanted to know why the 75% said he was coming to us, not just that they considered it was us by 75%. Was there something there I didn't know about, does not look like there was now but more folks piggy backing and band wagon jumping. So I considered their take and tossed it out, and now we see why I did. Does not mean I toss out all they offer, just the stuff that does not fit with all the rest of the tools in my bag. By the way, Clint is a pretty good tape measure, he in the bag to. LOL
What I hear Tom is that they still do not know if the NCAA will allow Ayton but Ayton's people think they will. Kal didn't want to go public until he knew because he didn't want to have another Kantor situation where he invests his roster spot to a guy he never gets to use. Miller went ahead and bought the farm and Self seemed to get more leary by the day.
The trip in all of this is Bamba now reaching out to Michigan, now that is a game changer! Kal felt he could have Bamba bagged and tagged once he put distance between Ky and Ayton (thou his dream was to have them both) and WHAM up side the head, Ayton commits to Miller and Bamba reaches out to Michigan! Wonder what the odds of Kal being on the phone in the last 24hrs to both Preston and Richards are, I would say pretty darn high.
Solid info you ask? Try Four Corners. Aren't comfortable doing a full year membership? Try just doing it for 1 month at the lower cost to see if you feel like the annual membership is worth it. During that month decide how you feel about the info provided right here on this site.
So Rob, what is the atmosphere on the premium msg board
like ? Is it as contentious as it used to be here? Is premium what gets the "GOLD MEMBER" status?
like ? Is it as contentious as it used to be here? Is premium what gets the "GOLD MEMBER" status?
On Brooks, I just watched what to me was the most impressive thing I have seen on the kid in a instagram video on TOS. It was not a mash up of game clips, it was nothing but a simple big man drill of tapping the ball off the back board with the same hand 3 times before dunking it. He did this with both hands and seems to do it easily, his ability to use both hands for a kid his size I loved but I also loved that he did not struggle to flush it after the 3 one handed taps. I am not sure if Meeks or Joel James could have done that drill as easy last season.
Premi board is 100% worth it in my opinion. Clint/Rob/Rex/Eric are posting multiple times a day with recruiting updates and the posters are generally less aggressive than the free board. You can't have a post on THR that doesn't devolve into a petty argument between 2-3 posters. Doesn't really happen on premi.
It's worth pointing out that the predictions for Randolph have been heavily trending toward Wake since that previous surge in our direction.
I've said it before, you have to look at the most recent predictions and you need enough predictions before you should put a lot of weight on their percentages. As you said, Dave, it's a tool. And like any tool, you have to use it properly for best results.
That said, those predictors who switch just before the declaration are just cheaters. I have never been able to figure out how they calculate the percentages attached to each predictor, but they certainly should be weighted so that last minute predictions don't count very much.
To be honest, I have no idea what earns the GOLD MEMBER status.
But as an example for info, we had a thread started with initial info on Garrison Brooks well over a month ago that went straight to Four Corners and not on the front of the site. It doesn't always work out that way but it's rare a player earns an offer that we haven't been discussing as a prospect to keep an eye on beforehand. As Dadika13 said, Clint is frequently dropping "tidbits" straight to the board.
Have a birthday coming up by chance? Have someone buy you the $10 one month subscription and scroll thru all of the old threads to see what you think/missed.
EDIT: Sorry, I just realized I replied to the wrong message. @Green C14
Agreed, except for the fast info part. Thats the problem nowadays. "Instant" access. And because its so fast, it ends up being inaccurate.
Would rather people be right than first.
And for the most part, i like 247's other services. Their rankings can rival ESPN's if they'd be updated more often. Its just the Crystal Ball predictions i dont like. But apparently, thats too much for some here...
The Premium site has a lot of recruiting information and less back and forth between the members. It makes it a little more difficult to participate in recruiting discussions on this board because you are aware of some information that many members on this site are not aware of at a given point in time. Thus, my participation on this board has been reduced considerably over the past several months when it pertains to certain recruiting issues. It's sort of weird to participate in a board conversation when you know the facts and some board members are guessing on. A lot of Premium information eventually make it to the free board in some form or fashion. There is a poster on the Premium site and his name is Rex. He is an EF Hutton poster and we love the guy! Of course, the staff does a good job also.
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What you guys cannot seem to get through your heads is 247 is not a single entity many of the predictors are just guest predictors and they just keep a running tally as new predictors make their picks , some late and with better info. I guess according to you guys the presidential election should have been over when the first poll came out or in something closer to reality once the first guy picks on 247 then it is closed and a done deal and cannot change. SMMFH. By the way where would I find Clint's picks or anybody else from Rivals , Scout or ESPN?
multiple sources. I would have posted them but I have already had my hand slapped.
that is your opinion and you have a right to it. It was all the opinions of other gurus and apparently others on here have also read it.
...and sometimes the exit spin is even more creative than the entry spin. Jes' sayin'
Carry on.
Careful Rob --- "ABC" has a pretty negative connotation around these parts!
