I know who will win the championship this year. It could be a team from the ACC, could be a team from the Big 10... there's also a chance it comes from another conference.
I'll let you know if I was right.... in May.
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I know who will win the championship this year. It could be a team from the ACC, could be a team from the Big 10... there's also a chance it comes from another conference.
I'll let you know if I was right.... in May.
I think he got me Gary. Thanks for all the responses. Glad to know the "Gold Member" thing (every time I type that, the Goldfinger theme song plays in my head) is a designation of level of membership and not some expensive anatomical requirement.
I'll give it a test month and report back.
"G o l d m e m b e r.....he's the man......
the man with the.................."
I'll give it a test month and report back.
"G o l d m e m b e r.....he's the man......
the man with the.................."
Fair enough, but I think you get what I'm saying.Careful Rob --- "ABC" has a pretty negative connotation around these parts!
We post a lot of insider stuff on both premium boards. Try it out for a month like Rob says!!
I look at 247 fairly regularly myself and while it's not a tell-all forecaster, it gives us a pretty good glimpse at what might happen. I was just looking at the crystal ball for the top 25 players from the 2015 and 2016 classes. 42 of the 48 picks were correct. Maker wasn't included (never committed to a school) in my count and neither was Lonzo Ball, as he never had a single crystal ball pick.
42 out of 48 is pretty stinking solid (87.5%). While it's not an exact science, it seems to be the best indicator of what would happen IF the recruit committed today. Yes, they constantly change their forecast, but so does anyone who's involved with projecting data (meteorologists, for example) . What WWJD said has a lot of truth as well - the most recent projections provide a more accurate metric model than the aggregate whole. As you get closer to the actual day, it generally becomes easier to pick the actual destination.
42 out of 48 is pretty stinking solid (87.5%). While it's not an exact science, it seems to be the best indicator of what would happen IF the recruit committed today. Yes, they constantly change their forecast, but so does anyone who's involved with projecting data (meteorologists, for example) . What WWJD said has a lot of truth as well - the most recent projections provide a more accurate metric model than the aggregate whole. As you get closer to the actual day, it generally becomes easier to pick the actual destination.
I couldn't have said it better me self.
Keynes said it best, "When the facts change, I change my mind. What do you do sir?"
I'm not trying to give you any slack, just wondering if there would ever be a circumstance that you wouldn't just brush them off. I've been to the site less than ten times, but if I understand it correctly the percentage is based on the picks of certain individuals and not what the site itself thinks. If that is true, I would think it would be better to judge the individual instead of the site unless you take issue with their methodology.
Another thing I am curious about is why some people brush them off when the individuals make their predictions the same way people on here make their predictions. It just seems to me like non UNC posters and sites like 247 are basically written off while posters here are sometimes treated as the only authority sometimes. All three groups are using interviews and their own inside sources, so why just basically dismiss two of those groups?
Rob, ya REALLY DONT want to be an ABCer here, ABC stands for Anybody But Carolina.
Well, new info comes out all the time. Posters here change their predictions sometimes. Why not hold them to the same standard?
Do we also get to be considered expert gurus?
Zig Ziegler says it best: "people do not change their minds, people make brand new decisions based on new information". Very wise words !
I agree with all three of these statements. Like everything I read on media sites, I take their prognostications with a big grain of salt. They represent their best educated guesses at any given point in the volatile recruiting process. When taken as such, these sites can be entertaining and even somewhat educational at times.
Surely, the guy quoting Zig Ziegler understands that I was referring to (A)lways (B)e (C)losing. Come on, Dave!
Of course.
LOL, Hope I get a hat in the deal! LOL
What many folks don't realize it every recruitment is not as simple as McAdoo to UNC was, there are twists and turns in these things, what was absolutely true yesterday may not be today. I kinda enjoy thinking thru the twists and turns of these kind of things, would rather read the whole story as it is written than jump straight to the last page. So I don't really worry so much if a individual expert is right or not in the end or a site like 247. But I do know when I see a crystal ball in the spring that a top 10 guy is absolutely going to a specific program that it is usually 95% BS. They better have some darn compelling facts to back up such an early prediction.
I am one of those folks that prefer to do my own thinking rather than have someone hand me what I am supposed to believe. I would rather figure it out and understand why it worked that way than to be told the solution.
Wait. Are you saying some of the recruiting analysts on 247 change their predictions after the player commits? Sources please.
Good grief. There are voluminous posts on this tired subject here and elsewhere. Late to the game.
Usually when you make a statement, you back it up with data or you provide a link. My apologies for disturbing the Hall of Famer.
I think maybe we have beat up on guru's and recruitin site hard enough now, haven't we?
Just something to keep in mind fellas, some folks think more highly of cruiting sites like 247, heel58 as just one example, some don't gary being an example. But gary feels very strong about his "mafia" of AAU coaches. Now let someone express doubt about what gary hears from his "mafia" and gary takes it personally, as if it is a slam against him and his strong belief in his circle of friends, so gary snaps back. Heel58 really enjoys 247 for example and takes folks saying very direct negatives about that site personally, because it is something that he believes in just as gary believes in his mafia buds. Then the piling on occurs, then it is jab vs jab and before ya know it we are back in a virtual street fight and respect is tossed out the window. It becomes a sniping war of words.
What I am saying is kinda have some respect for what others believe in, even if you do not hold that same belief. Truth is like it or not 247 is the best site available that is 100% dedicated to recruiting, at least that I am aware of. And just as true is that gary's "mafia" buds do have solid and strong connections that are worthy of listening to. It does not have to be a one is better than the other situation, it should not be that because both are pathways to information and none can guarantee 100% results.
Just something to keep in mind fellas, some folks think more highly of cruiting sites like 247, heel58 as just one example, some don't gary being an example. But gary feels very strong about his "mafia" of AAU coaches. Now let someone express doubt about what gary hears from his "mafia" and gary takes it personally, as if it is a slam against him and his strong belief in his circle of friends, so gary snaps back. Heel58 really enjoys 247 for example and takes folks saying very direct negatives about that site personally, because it is something that he believes in just as gary believes in his mafia buds. Then the piling on occurs, then it is jab vs jab and before ya know it we are back in a virtual street fight and respect is tossed out the window. It becomes a sniping war of words.
What I am saying is kinda have some respect for what others believe in, even if you do not hold that same belief. Truth is like it or not 247 is the best site available that is 100% dedicated to recruiting, at least that I am aware of. And just as true is that gary's "mafia" buds do have solid and strong connections that are worthy of listening to. It does not have to be a one is better than the other situation, it should not be that because both are pathways to information and none can guarantee 100% results.
The thing that baffles me is why every time their crysta ball accuracy is called into question it sends some ppl up in arms. Most people dont rip on the entire site. I think their ranking system is top notch, as well as some other aspects of the site. But I'm not goung to avoid the fact that
A - They change their picks extremely often
B - They provide the same info as a person with google could scrape up.
C - They' re supposed to be "Recruiting Analysts", but put no analysis into their picks.
If ESPN or Rivals started reporting inaccurate info. I’d call them out on it just as well. 247 doesnt get a free pass.
And I dont know of a time that a pick was changed after a commitment, but its common knowledge they’ll change literally hours before a commitment. And sometimes still get it wrong. Wouldnt surprise me though.
Excellent post Dave.
I applaud those who defend what they believe. That's what we come here for, debate and discussion, but it must be tempered with respect and tolerance for the opinion of others. Enough of that though let's get to basketball.
I took the bait and joined the premium board yesterday and I must admit I'm really impressed with the quality and the quantity of recruiting information there. On the pay for view board there is real time recruiting info coming from multiple "reporters" who actually develop relationships with players, families, and coaches. Again nobody regardless of the source has anything to offer other than a snapshot in time of what is a very fluid situation (as Gary has frequently cautioned us) but you do get a sense for where we might stand at a given point in time. The information isn't presented through Carolina filters either which I appreciated.
I like both boards. They are vastly different in both content and atmosphere. I'm not trying to sell anything. I have no dog in that fight but Dave's breakdown of 247 and Gary's mafia really made me see the value of premium in addition to those sources. Gary's info, as well as that of some other informed posters, as well as the spirited discussions (when civil) attracted me to this site. I won't be giving that up but for me subscribing for the off season to the premium content here provides some answers to the "where do we stand with recruit X today" question. So, to offset the cost, I'll have to eat a sandwich at home for lunch two days a month instead of going out for burgers. Maybe I'll lose a little weight and be better informed as well.
Green C14
I applaud those who defend what they believe. That's what we come here for, debate and discussion, but it must be tempered with respect and tolerance for the opinion of others. Enough of that though let's get to basketball.
I took the bait and joined the premium board yesterday and I must admit I'm really impressed with the quality and the quantity of recruiting information there. On the pay for view board there is real time recruiting info coming from multiple "reporters" who actually develop relationships with players, families, and coaches. Again nobody regardless of the source has anything to offer other than a snapshot in time of what is a very fluid situation (as Gary has frequently cautioned us) but you do get a sense for where we might stand at a given point in time. The information isn't presented through Carolina filters either which I appreciated.
I like both boards. They are vastly different in both content and atmosphere. I'm not trying to sell anything. I have no dog in that fight but Dave's breakdown of 247 and Gary's mafia really made me see the value of premium in addition to those sources. Gary's info, as well as that of some other informed posters, as well as the spirited discussions (when civil) attracted me to this site. I won't be giving that up but for me subscribing for the off season to the premium content here provides some answers to the "where do we stand with recruit X today" question. So, to offset the cost, I'll have to eat a sandwich at home for lunch two days a month instead of going out for burgers. Maybe I'll lose a little weight and be better informed as well.
Green C14
Well, that's a bit over the top, Dave. All I'm saying about 247 is that it is what it is, and it's frankly silly to act like that site has some super-natural authority given the prejudices endemic among their "gurus". If one is looking for astute analysts, they'd be better served by @ClintJackson1 and @RobJones__ here. They do nice work without being closet homers.
I read stuff like anyone else, but I'm also lucky enough to be able to put my ear to the ground down here in ATL and environs, and with this being a hub for a lotta AAU chatter (as well as for several of our recent recruits) I can pick up some inside stuff once in a while that yes, even terrific reporters like Clint and Rob may not be privy to. Dave, as you know I've been happy to share this stuff with good fellow Heel fans on this board, but the only things that makes me bristle are a few wankers acting like I don't know for whence I speak. I just report stuff as I hear it. I don't go in for predictions that often because this stuff is inherently fluid, but when I do, my track record is pretty damned good. However, as you and a few select others also know, there are some details I've just stopped sharing on the board because honestly it's just not worth the grief.
Sorry brother, didn't mean to be terse with you per se. The subject was just becoming tiresome.
BTW, there are some good posts right below yours by @RoseHeel , @Green C14 , et al, that sum things up pretty nicely.
Glad to hear that you see the value after less than a day of looking thru the premium board. As you have more time to look thru some of the older threads I'm sure you'll feel even better about your decision. Please chime in on the conversations over there as well.
I don't take it personally. I just can't help myself from calling people out when they just throw out %'s like 50 that are totally inaccurate or when they insinuate somebody can't change a pick they made a year ago when the info/situation completely changes. If there was another site that did the same thing then you could compare the two , but there isn't.
At the end of the day, this all boils down to some folks like Chevys and some like Fords and some, like my son, like Dodges just be derned if I know why!
Well I'm being partial...I take Chevys and my colleagues here!
Obviously I love it here! But I own a GMC Truck and a Ford Explorer. Both 4 wheel drives.
Gary, my friend, all I am saying is when folks question others believe in it is many times taken as a personal assault and negative stuff gets started. You know I appreciate your inside views and I have never hidden the fact that I/me/personally do not put a lock of stock in recruiting sites or gurus, I RESPECT the fact that others do. I have my preferences for sources and respect that others may not agree with mine.
I may joke about it but I have no need to be considered an expert, a guru, I don't even need folks to agree with me. I just enjoy expressing what I am thinking and I do enjoy putting together the recruiting puzzles and watching how one domino falls and trying to figure out what that does to other dominos. It is kind of a game for me and I really enjoy getting feedback from those that agree and those that don't when they share why they agree or not. I actually don't think you are much different, I get a interesting piece of info I want to share it because others may be interested, not because someone may think I am a guru, just out of a desire to help someone understand something a little more clearly, I see that in you as well, I respect that in you.
Obviously I love it here! But I own a GMC Truck and a Ford Explorer. Both 4 wheel drives.
Got a Mechanic Coming and Found On the Road Dead...Maybe one day you can get a real truck mikey and not have to be towed by so many Chevys! LOL
DAVE! GMC>Chevy .................... actually, they are the exact same you dummy.
