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It was worth electing Trump

Hark_The_Sound_2010 said:
Ya, the ship has sailed on the media though, unfortunately. The left cornered the market on the media and they ain't looking back, gotta give props where they're due.

My girlfriend is a smart girl, but I actually just had a conversation with her and we were discussing this issue. She was condemning Trump for "siding with the nazis", I told her that he condemned the nazis, and also mentioned that there was blame to be had on the other side as well. She couldn't believe I was "defending Trump" by simply stating what actually happened. She then ended the conversation telling me that I was clearly wrong because all the news media and talk show hosts are calling out Trump. Ya... like the fvcking Washington Post and Trevor Noah have an unbiased bone in their bodies.
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And this right here is the danger of the media's persuasion. Makes smart people form dumb opinions. It happens in other realms besides politics too. The media can make most of America hate someone like Tebow who is more wholesome and virtuous than 99% of the population.
 
tazki said:
Bingo. More whites are killed by police every year than any race. Fact
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dude, you wanna try reseaarch how those deaths occur?...lol, i almost knew this would come up, almost...was hoping it wouldn't.

next you'll tell me news crews only follow minorities when the chase is on...or "have you seen live pd?"

you should sit this one out
 
gteeitup said:
you're not paying attention.

please provide examples of obama inciting racial tensions and division.

republicans are running away from trump after this, even outright condemning his response...that's certainly not the norm.
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Dems(commies) and repubs(commie wannabes) are on the same side against Trump. Just want to set themselves and their families up to be our overlords once the world police state is in place. Trump is in reality working for 'we the nameless, faceless masses. I fear he will fail, but he is nevertheless working against those that wish us to be nothing more than worker bees, ergo all of the fake outrage and endless news cycles about nothing. Maybe only 20-30 elected officials at the federal level that have our best interests in mind. Hope you people are planning for the time when you stand in line for beans, tp, and antibiotics if you happen to get sick.
 
TarHeelNation11 said:
I'm still not getting the faux outrage about Trump supposedly not condemning the Charlottesville attacks "enough." I just do not get it. I've seen ever clip of audio of statements he's made on it and I just don't get the outrage.

Meanwhile, the media laps it up when Obama responds to tragedies like Ferguson by outright inciting racial division and tension with his comments. The power the media has to shape the national narrative is out of control. You've got people saying "Trump didn't strongly enough condemn the attacks." What in the actual shit are you talking about?
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When did it become chic to sympathize with neo-nazis?
 
TarHeelNation11 said:
It didn't. Point out to me a quote where he's sympathizing with them.

you serious with this bs?...he's qualifying both sides as right and wrong.

Also, like .001% of this country's population, so it's ridiculous that people think Trump is trying to "appease" the alt right to maintain votes.
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this is what the country is dealing with...this opinion right here...wow, smh.
 
TarHeelNation11 said:
It didn't. Point out to me a quote where he's sympathizing with them.

Also, like .001% of this country's population, so it's ridiculous that people think Trump is trying to "appease" the alt right to maintain votes.
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The appropriate response is to say, 'guess what, some limp dick nazis decided to get together and things got ugly. They are disgusting people and are quite lucky things didn't go more badly for them. They stand for everything this country is against and I firmly denounce their ideology.'


But that's just me....
 
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TarHeelNation11 said:
Every word that came out of his month.

Standing up there and talking about how blacks have it rougher in this country -- specifically blacks, mind you, no other minorities -- and how basically it's their lot in life right now. You think that's a healthy message to broadcast to the populace? It's not a coincidence all of this racial uproar has coincided with, and followed, Obama's presidency. He made sure to mention race in every possible way he could. He made everything about race.
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So no quotes?
 
TarHeelNation11 said:
Your second paragraph leaves me speechless. As to your first paragraph, HE initiated the discussion. Do you know how many folks (of all colors) are killed by police (of all colors) every week? He decided to make it an issue to talk about when Treyvon Martin was killed. Obama made a choice to do that.
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I don't know why he talked about it. Was he asked? Not asked? I don't really care. If he does talk about it he has to discuss race. I don't see how this is even a question. It is no different than Trump talking about the issues he talks about. I've already said I didn't always liked what he said all the time anyway. I wasn't a huge fan. Trump just doesn't have the ability to do so without acting like some bitter old man and taking shots at people like he is scorned or something. I'm surprised people don't expect more from the President.

I don't think you really think he isn't trying to appease the extremes in his base. It is part of what got him elected. What exactly in that second paragraph is even controversial. That he is FOS? That he belittles people? That he doesn't want to piss off the idiots in his base?

As for the media, I don't know about that aspect of it. I don't watch any of the news networks so don't doubt they are biased.
 
gteeitup said:
no quotes...no effort on your part.

you started this thread and provided nothing...congrats
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I didn't start this thread about Charlottesville as the event hadn't happened yet. The thread was about his comments to North Korea. But I don't know why I keep responding when all you're doing is intentionally being obtuse.
 
TarHeelNation11 said:
all you're doing is intentionally being obtuse
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TarHeelNation11 said:
I'm still not getting the faux outrage about Trump supposedly not condemning the Charlottesville attacks "enough." I just do not get it. I've seen ever clip of audio of statements he's made on it and I just don't get the outrage.
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I think it is in large part his insincerity which is at the heart of the uproar. First of all it is apparent he was coerced into condemning the alt-right, but when he finally did it was straight from the script on the teleprompter and seemingly someone else's words he was reading.

Before and after his comments of condemnation, as he strayed from his speech writer's script, he showed his true feelings on the matter. So not only is he obviously being disingenuous, he is also a phony. Not that we didn't already know that.
 
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Heels Noir said:
I think it is in large part his insincerity which is at the heart of the uproar. First of all it is apparent he was coerced into condemning the alt-right, but when he finally did it was straight from the script on the teleprompter and seemingly someone else's words he was reading.

Before and after his comments of condemnation, as he strayed from his speech writer's script, he showed his true feelings on the matter. So not only is he obviously being disingenuous, he is also a phony. Not that we didn't already know as much.
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Finally someone at least gives me an answer! Thank you
 
TarHeelNation11 said:
That's why Trump won the nomination in a landslide in the first place.
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Dude.

TarHeelNation11 said:
Point out to me a quote where he's sympathizing with them.

Also, like .001% of this country's population, so it's ridiculous that people think Trump is trying to "appease" the alt right to maintain votes.
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“Not all of those people were neo-Nazis, believe me. Not all of those people were white supremacists by any stretch.”

This quote is correct only insofar as some of them were KKK members and some were white nationalists. Technically his statement is true if at least one of them isn't a complete piece of shit, but the problem with this statement is that he's offering an excuse for the 99% who are.

“What about the alt-left that came charging at, as you say, at the alt-right? Do they have any semblance of guilt?”

Moral equivalence. It sucked when Obama did it, and it sucks now. Saying "what about the other guys" does nothing to excuse the fact that we're talking about people who openly embrace the eradication of non-whites. But that's what he's doing here.

The voters who share his views is obviously not 0.001% of this country's population, as evidenced by how many people here are willing to offer excuses for what happened and for how Trump has addressed the issue.
 
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Raising Heel said:
Dude.


“Not all of those people were neo-Nazis, believe me. Not all of those people were white supremacists by any stretch.”

This quote is correct only insofar as some of them were KKK members and some were white nationalists. Technically his statement is true if at least one of them isn't a complete piece of shit, but the problem with this statement is that he's offering an excuse for the 99% who are.

“What about the alt-left that came charging at, as you say, at the alt-right? Do they have any semblance of guilt?”

Moral equivalence. It sucked when Obama did it, and it sucks now. Saying "what about the other guys" does nothing to excuse the fact that we're talking about people who openly embrace the eradication of non-whites. But that's what he's doing here.

The voters who share his views is obviously not 0.001% of this country's population, as evidenced by how many people here are willing to offer excuses for what happened and for how Trump has addressed the issue.
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I don't know what moral equivalence means :( I guess I have more homework today. Ugh.

As to your "dude" comment. I standby what I said. Trump won the nomination because the GOP powers-that-be are in shambles. They're a discombobulated mess at the top. The GOP can't get out of its own way and has no clue how to unite its facets, including appeasing both the "new wave" fiscally conservative/socially moderate and the so-called "religious right" who cares most about social issues like abortion and gay marriage.
 
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TarHeelNation11 said:
As to your "dude" comment. I standby what I said. Trump won the nomination because the GOP powers-that-be are in shambles. They're a discombobulated mess at the top. The GOP can't get out of its own way and has no clue how to unite its facets, including appeasing both the "new wave" fiscally conservative/socially moderate and the so-called "religious right" who cares most about social issues like abortion and gay marriage.
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Mea culpa. I somehow managed to miss the word "nomination" there and thought you were referring to the general election. Reading is hard.
 
TarHeelNation11 said:
I don't know what moral equivalence means :( I guess I have more homework today. Ugh
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https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_equivalence

Essentially it's that you can't justify one person's actions by saying they're no different/worse than another person's actions.

I wasn't saying Trump or Obama was worse than the other, or that their actions are equal, or anything like that. I was more pointing out that the media coverage of the two's actions are drastically different. Therefore I think RH's burn that I played myself was slightly incorrect, but I can be a dope sometimes so its entirely possible I did.
 
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