Is their a Scripture in God's Word that says Muhammad will get you to Heaven? Theirs a difference in a grave with bones and a Tomb that is empty. The difference between all religions vs Christianity is an Empty Tomb. He's Alive!
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Is their a Scripture in God's Word that says Muhammad will get you to Heaven? Theirs a difference in a grave with bones and a Tomb that is empty. The difference between all religions vs Christianity is an Empty Tomb. He's Alive!
Yes, the Quran is pretty clear on that one. Follow his teachings and you will get into Heaven.
Sorry man, looks like your Paradise will include Muslims. I'll pray for you.
I have proof of it in the form of the UNC national championship in April of 2017. I was pleading to every God, prophet, and televangelist out there for Kennedy to make that block.
I'm 100% confident the Quran is not God's Word that I was speaking of. Btw, I don't have a Paradise. But I do have a Home in Glory where I will Worship Jesus for all Eternity. The only man in History for giving His Life for someone and being hated for it. Think about that one.
I'm 100% confident that it's possible that you are wrong. Don't worry though, I'll pray for you.
That's just not true.
I was referring more to the petty name calling and treating people like they are stupid. I guess that stuff is subjective. If you think that's what he was doing, then have a civil conversation with him about it.
Do you think that's possible? The guy has said in this thread that every religion is wrong but his.
I never said you said or suggested that. I merely stated it was possible. That's not a straw man. So argumentative...
Folks, I'm not here to argue with any of you. I can't change your thinking. You have your belief, but I still go back to what I said earlier...
If I get to the end of time, and i am wrong, i dont lose anything....
But if YOU get to the end of time, and i am right, you lose everything ... For All Eternity.
All I'm doing is Sharing The Truth of God's Word because I care about each and everyone of you. I care for your soul. Not for me to be right, but for you to know Him, who is Always right, the Topic of This Thread, Jesus Christ.
If I get to the end of time, and i am wrong, i dont lose anything....
But if YOU get to the end of time, and i am right, you lose everything ... For All Eternity.
All I'm doing is Sharing The Truth of God's Word because I care about each and everyone of you. I care for your soul. Not for me to be right, but for you to know Him, who is Always right, the Topic of This Thread, Jesus Christ.
What you don't get is that is an argument.
Why are you ok if you're wrong and we aren't if we are? How does that make any sense whatsoever?
I haven't seen him not be civil. He's rigid in his beliefs, but that doesn't make him unable to have a civil conversation. Maybe we just have a different definition of what it means to be civil.
Ok. My original point was general in scope. I wasn't referring to any specific poster.
Saying that you're 100% certain that the Quran is not God's Word is pretty pretty close-minded.
He's civil in a super passive aggressive way. I don't have a problem with the guy, I just enjoy debating people who are super stubborn about their beliefs because I have so many questions about how they can be so certain.
Ok, I never said that you had a problem with him or you couldn't debate him. As I mentioned, my original comment was meant to be general. I'm not sure why people are trying to take it so personally.
ETA: I'll be a little more specific. I'm referring to the type of person that might say something like you're a ****ing idiot for believing/ not believing. That doesn't really help anything and that's what the extremes do. Just let other people do their thing. @prlyles had the perfect analogy with the shoes.
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Oh I know. I'm just saying I haven't noticed anyone throwing around insults. Like you said, that stuff is subjective. Religious people tend to not take kindly to atheists expressing their views and criticism of religion and theism. Atheists tend to not take kindly to being told we're going to burn in hell for eternity for not believing in someone else's god. IMO one of those things is noticeable more immoral than the other. The hellfire talk should illicit a disgust reaction in just about everyone IMO... I think that's perfect evidence of why its important for people to push back against religion.
Yes. And I think its simply a lack of belief. Atheism makes no positivistic claim. Its simply the rejection of the theist's claim.
So I'm sorta somewhere in between a Christian and an agnostic (I don't know if there's a word for it). I believe God exists but in a way/from in which we have no comprehension of understanding which won't make me a true agnostic.
I think Jesus existed. I think he did some really really powerful things and it's possible he was everything things like #1UNC believe he was. I have serious doubts though.
I hear you and apologies if I got defensive. Religion and politics obviously are touchy so I was hyper sensitive that I wasn't being that guy you mentioned.
I love these convos on religion. I have a few very religious friends and we discuss this stuff all the time in a really cool and civil way. Part of me is envious (sin) of #1UNC for his steadfast belief, I just can't let myself ever get there.
There's little doubt that Jesus existed. The historical record is too strong to argue otherwise. Even the fabrication of an imaginary census to get Mary to Bethlehem suggests that the gospels are an attempt to shoehorn a real man into the role of messiah. Many of the gnostic gospels also suggest that christianity has used a real man as its model for the messiah, as opposed to just inventing a figure completely. When Rome adopted christianity as the official religion of the state, they edited the gospels and removed whole gospels that appeared to portray Jesus as an ordinary mortal man. For example, its believed by some scholars that he was intimate with Mary Magdalene. Of course you will find no record of that in the KJB.
Doesn't it go a step beyond just lack of belief though? Like you personally believe that there is no god at all. Not just that all of the theists out there have the wrong perception of god.
Wouldn't a lack of belief be considered more agnostic? As in, not sure what to believe in (but doesn't definitively believe that there is a god, or that there definitively isn't a god).
You don't lose anything because you weren't believing in Islam or Judaism or whatever else anyway. You believed in Christ and if he doesn't exist, it would have been the same as believing in nothing. But by believing, maybe you lived your life better than had you not believed. On the flip side, if you don't believe and Jesus is the almighty that he's rumored to be, then you're SOL because you rejected him and turned down the opportunity to have faith in something without proof. And for that, you don't get the reward of the afterlife.
I turn down the opportunity to have faith in something without proof all the time. Why would god punish people for not believing in something that it never gave them concrete proof to believe in?
Or...what if God didn't want us to worship a man (Jesus, Muhammad, Joseph Smith, Tiger Woods, whoever). What if anyone who did goes to Hell? Now, in that scenario, Jesus vs. nothing at all does have an impact and the nothing at all's get to Heaven. Why is that not a possibility?
Why debate him? What's the point? I'd like to see the number of Christians that have dropped their faith because someone "logically broke it down for them". I bet that's about .000005%.
A nonbeliever debating a believer is basically trolling. What you're attempting to do is to get the believer to say certain things regarding their belief that you feel are absurd and then you end up mocking it. It's basically someone trying to do their best @uncboy10 impression.
Maybe in your world. But I have these convos offline a lot and most of the time it just helps all of us see the other perspective. The questions I asked him were actual questions I have, I honestly wonder how he can be so certain that Christians are right and everyone else is wrong. The issue is he won't answer the questions and just goes "I'll pray for you" which is a Christian's way of saying FO.
I guess that is possible. It's also possible that dinosaurs didn't live on earth and aliens staged the whole thing by bringing stuff from another planet just to sit back and laugh at us while we try to figure it out. Sure, you can come up with just about anything to question.
But for years and years, people have bought into the Christian faith because it gives them a sense of peace. Why try to shit on that? If you don't believe, just f*ck off and leave those that do believe alone.
Because that's the whole point. Can you believe in the absence of proof?
It really isn't that far fetched that we shouldn't worship human beings. There are millions of people who believe it.
Who is shitting on it? Again, asking questions to try to understand isn't shitting on it and you need to get the sand out of your vagina and stop being so sensitive to it.
No sand in my vagina. But it's pointless for nonbelievers to take believers to task. You're not willing to believe. So why attempt to take away something from a believer that helps them find peace. It's like taking a security blanket away from a child for no reason at all. If it helps the child sleep at night, why would you not want that for them?
The Go God Go episodes of South Park on this are hysterical btw.
I don't believe in the show South Park being funny. But I will not debate you on it because if the show gave you laughter, who am I to attempt to ruin that?
I like that analogy.
To me, it's more about wondering what makes this security blanket so magical because that blanket has little effect on me. So obviously, you're going to ask questions about it. I'm not here to mock the person under it.
I'm not sure I believe the bolded part but if it's strictly curiosity, then good for you for being inquisitive. But 99.9% of the time, nonbelievers aren't just curious. There's an agenda.
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Not believing in a god at all is simply a lack of belief in god. It all comes down to the burden of proof. There's no logical way to prove something doesn't exist. So should we be agnostic about every fictitious human invention? Should we be agnostic about Russel's Teapot?
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