You are going to ridiculous lengths to try and show that kyrie isn't a top 20 player. I'm pretty sure you do have a horse in this race.
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You are going to ridiculous lengths to try and show that kyrie isn't a top 20 player. I'm pretty sure you do have a horse in this race.
James already with a triple double, but I'm afraid against this super team its not gonna be enough. Just tied Magic for that stat. Curry is possibly the best shooter the game has ever seen. I do see that most of yall don't like James but dang hes good.
Who knows how these finals will play out once it goes back to Cleveland, but Golden State has possibly the top 3, three point in game shooters in the NBA on the floor at the same time is sick.
Lebron having a great night and Cleveland playing really well will prolly lose by 20. SMH
This counts when comparing Lebron and MJ, but Lebron loses nothing in form of rep even if GS sweeps Cleveland. GS is the truth!
Lebron having a great night and Cleveland playing really well will prolly lose by 20. SMH
This counts when comparing Lebron and MJ, but Lebron loses nothing in form of rep even if GS sweeps Cleveland. GS is the truth!
If he gets swept at least it'll calm down the MJ comparsions
He has been. Curry is healthy this year. If he was last year, Warriors win in 5. Now they added Durant. The true GOAT never got blown out like the wannabe GOAT has.
No player in NBA history since 1984 put up LeBron's game 2 line in a NBA finals game... Yet, no contest.
Warriors are a beast.
The whole Kyrie is better or Steph's equal can take a back seat.
Warriors are a beast.
The whole Kyrie is better or Steph's equal can take a back seat.
Did James have KD on the defensive end? KD was 33/13/6 for the night. There are 2 ends of the court!!
Really? Posting one general stat is "ridiculous lengths".
Must be a closet dookie.
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Where do his 8 turnovers in game 1 rank in the history books?
Also, who said Kyrie is equal to Steph? Are you making stuff up to fit your agenda? Oh LeBroners, the reaching is embarrassing.
100%. LeBron's getting roasted on the defensive end this series. Last year his opponent averaged like 6 per game on 35% shooting. This year his opponent is averaging 21 on 60% shooting in one-on-one. Maybe it's bad defense. I thought LeBron's defense last night was pretty good. But nothing you can really do against KD. He's an offensive savant. Shake KD's hand. He's been amazing.
If LeBron didn't return to Cleveland, Kyrie would be flashy SC highlights dude with no wins. Kyrie was on a Stephon Marbury path and might still be. He's at that age where his game needs to evolve past one end of the floor. Klay Thompson was horrendous shooting throughout the playoffs but value was unreal because of his defense.
Really poorly. I don't know what the point is though. Is the point MJ never had a bad finals game? MJ had several finals games that he shot in the low 30% and had a few where he had more turnovers than assists and lost.
So yea, LeBron was bad (while going for 28/15/8). Maybe that's more a compliment to LeBron that we don't let him get away with a single sub-par stat in his box score... Oh and he better win too.
So saying Chris bosh and Dwayne wade equal a "half a pippen" isn't ridiculous either? Sorry, you've been outed.
The point is, you slobber over everything the dude does, win or lose. Instead of coming here and saying LeBron had a poor game, which he did, we have to hear the excuses. It's pathetic. Give it a rest.
OK - should have said Bosh + Wade at their best (10-11) added up to Pippin but dwindled to half a Scottie by James' last season.
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I'm absolutely going to "slober" over someone that goes 28/15/8 and we call it a poor or awful game from him. I'm going to "slober" all over him because we will NEVER expect this kind of high standard maybe from anyone ever again.
No one called it a poor or awful game. It more appears to me that the warriors are content w bron getting his in the first half-which is where he racked up most those numbers. To me he defers way too often when the team really needs him to assert himself. Last year kyrie did in fact carry that team in times where bron simply disappeared.
Golden State can play defense with good/great defenders in Klay and Green. KD has a 7'6 wing span and is mobile on defense.
And yet you still reply.
The numbers are the numbers. If you don't think they measure the quality or worth of players that's fine. Someone said LBJ didn't have the supporting cast that MJ had so I looked it up. To me it looks to be a true statement.
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I am truly convinced you don't watch a single minute of games, and revert to the box score for everything.
Yes we will expect this kind of high standard from someone else some day. To say NEVER, is ridiculous.
Right, because his supporting cast is pretty unreliable. Like, is anyone surprised Kyrie had a bad game games 1 and 2? It's not all on Kyrie, Klay is a superhuman defender... But if it doesn't surprise you that Kyrie and or Love play poorly in the biggest games (and it wouldn't surprise me), that means they aren't superstars... It means they're probably more like really good role players.
The Cavs have one guy who you can take to the bank at this stage. That's LeBron. LeBron is so ridiculously good that he's averaging a triple double through 2 road NBA finals games on 55% shooting all while having to use energy defending maybe the most offensively gifted player in NBA history.... and we're asking a legitimate, but perhaps unfair question of: Is LeBron playing well enough? Can LeBron do more? Should LeBron be playing better?
That's when you know you're the man, amongst superstars in the NBA.
For Golden State, I'd be shocked if Curry and Durant didn't have impactful games... And I'd be shocked if Klay Thompson wasn't at least solid on one side of the floor. With Kyrie and Love, it wouldn't shock me if neither were impactful in any particular game in the finals. I expect Kyrie to play much better at home, but that's another trait of a role player.
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This season Kyrie's percentages at home:
.499 FG/.413 3 PT/.878 FT... 24.4 ppg, 3.4 rpg, 6.6 apg (True shooting percentage: .598)
Kyrie on the road:
.448 FG/.392 3 PT/.930 FT... 26.1 ppg, 3.0 rpg, 5.0 apg (True shooting percentage: .564)
Efficiency way down on the road . Rebounding down slightly. Assists way down on the road. Kyrie in fact has a negative Plus/Minus on the road. He averaged a +13.6 at home, -1.9 on the road.
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Love at home:
.454 FG/.386 3 PT/.854 FT (True shooting percentage: .598)
Love on the road:
.399 FG/.359 3 PT/.889 FT (True shooting percentage: .547)
Efficiency not even close on the road.
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LeBron at home:
.563 FG/.342 3 PT/.647 FT (True shooting percentage: .623)
LeBron on the road:
.532 FG/.381 3 PT/.704 FT (True shooting percentage: .615)
Efficiency wise, LeBron's was pretty much on par home and away. His road plus minus was +2.9 as well. Not great, but at least a positive!
I totally understand now how my dad felt when I argued that MJ was gonna be and is the best player ever. His man was B Russell. He still gives my son heck when he brings up MJ. After seeing all of these arguments, stats, and claims, it really does shed some light on how my pops feels about his greatest. Before yall throw stones, check out my avatar, but some of you just hate LaBron, and thats fine, but he is an amazing once in a lifetime player. "Just maybe not your lifetime."
Also, LeBron's playing really well. If LeBron averaged 40 ppg while also averaging 10+ rebounds/assists... The Cavs would still lose by double digits.
The Cavs won last year because LeBron, Kyrie, JR Smith and Tristian Thompson all played really well. LeBron could be 40/12/12, but if Kyrie isn't winning his individual matchup against Klay or Steph, if JR Smith is a no show and if Thompson isn't dominating the glass, it doesn't matter how many LeBron drops.
I get what you're trying to say. I saw Jordan. I've seen lebron. I guess it comes down to a matter of taste. I don't hate lebron I have great respect for his game. Where they are worlds apart is mentally, and it's very obvious to anyone who's seen the two in any capacity. We can volley back and forth all day with numbers, supporting casts, etc etc. but Jordan was a straight up killer on a basketball court. Lebron just isn't.
Its been said by a lot of basketball people a lot smarter than anyone here that if MJ could play today under these rules- he very well may average 45-50 points a game.
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One time only... I am of the opinion that when faced with very good competition, Lebron's best days are behind him at this time. I could be wrong about this but I do not think that I am. He is only a great player in 2 aspects of the game today, IMO. Take that with either a lump of sugar or a stiff drink of whisky. Either way he is no better than the third best player in this series, again IMO...
I've stayed out of this thread mostly because this debate is tired and not much of a debate for me. But I'll say this - Pippen was great because of MJ. Grant was a better than average player because of MJ. Kerr was a great shooter because of MJ. MJ wasn't fortunate enough to play with other good players. He made those players what they are. I firmly believe that. If Pippen never makes it to Chicago, he's a footnote in NBA history - not a 6 time champ and one of the best 50 players of all time. MJ, on the other hand, would have made whatever 6'7" SF he got into an all-time great. Because he would have demanded it. He would not have accepted less. That's just the way I see it.
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