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Juwan throws a punch....

Howard was not known as any kind of thug! He was top 10 academically as well as the best player in Illinois coming out of HS. He was never implicated in the Mich scandals and his records are NOT expunged while his teammates records were. He was raised below the poverty line by his grandmother, but she kept him off the streets and focused on academics + athletics. Please do not let convenient storylines obscure the truth. He lost his temper and made a serious mistake. he reflected and apologized + he has been punished. At this point it should be over and he should be given a 2nd chance. If he repeats the behavior he deserves to be fired; if he does not, it should be forgotten!


This is his second chance. Other than the slap\punch, he acted like a bigger idiot during his Maryland dustup. I have no problem with him not being fired but he should get some help if can not control himself enough to act like an adult and mentor to his student athletes.
 
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This is his second chance. Other than the slap\punch, he acted like a bigger idiot during his Maryland dustup. I have no problem with him not being fired but he should get some help if can not control himself enough to act like an adult and mentor to his student athletes.

It will happen again.. there is a pattern.
 
He definitely needs to manage his emotions better! That is a completely fair criticism. He should be fired if he does it again is also fair! He got a 5 game suspension + 40K in fines and if there were more games left, he probably would have gotten more. The punishment fits the crime and he already put out an apology with no equivocation! This should be sufficient!
 
His fine was 1.25% of his base salary. $40,000 sounds like a lot to us but to the average person it is like a $820 fine. Really less since I did not research how much he makes in bonuses (probably not this year 😉) and endorsement deals with shoe companies and the like.

Game suspension seems about right to me.
 
Writing a 40K check is jarring for most people since even the rich like to get something for their money! And I make enough that I would not have to worry about $820 dollars but it would still hurt quite a bit to give it away! If his contract has performance incentives, a 5 game suspension is very impactful as well! I hope they use the fines for charity and not to line the already bulging pockets of the NCAA!
 
Howard was not known as any kind of thug! He was top 10 academically as well as the best player in Illinois coming out of HS. He was never implicated in the Mich scandals and his records are NOT expunged while his teammates records were. He was raised below the poverty line by his grandmother, but she kept him off the streets and focused on academics + athletics. Please do not let convenient storylines obscure the truth. He lost his temper and made a serious mistake. he reflected and apologized + he has been punished. At this point it should be over and he should be given a 2nd chance. If he repeats the behavior he deserves to be fired; if he does not, it should be forgotten!
The problem is that this has become a pattern with Howard, ala Bob Knight. This wouldn't be his second chance, but at least his third, as he had a similar incident last year.
 
I believe the situation was instigated by the Wisc coach. Howard just wanted to walk past and not acknowledge him which he has that right if he wants and the Wisc gave him a arm check and wouldn't let him walk by. If he just accepted that fact that Howard didn't want to shake hands or speak and let him go his way none of this would have happened. That's my 2 cents.
 
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His fine was 1.25% of his base salary. $40,000 sounds like a lot to us but to the average person it is like a $820 fine. Really less since I did not research how much he makes in bonuses (probably not this year 😉) and endorsement deals with shoe companies and the like.

Game suspension seems about right to me.
Exactly. That fine is nothing in terms of how much money he rolls in.
 
I believe the situation was instigated by the Wisc coach. Howard just wanted to walk past and not acknowledge him which he has that right if he wants and the Wisc gave him a arm check and wouldn't let him walk by. If he just accepted that fact that Howard didn't want to shake hands or speak and let him go his way none of this would have happened. That's my 2 cents.
Before getting in the line, Howard was talking. You have no idea what he said. In addition, the Wisconsin coach did nothing more than try to explain why he called the TO. Howard acted like a fool kid on the playground who is used to getting away with being the bully big kid.
 
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Why is the fine even a question? What % would you take from someone? 40K is not much compared to his yearly salary, but I bet it takes a pretty good chunk out of the month! Who cares anyway, the suspension is what is important and he got a hefty one!
 
I believe the situation was instigated by the Wisc coach. Howard just wanted to walk past and not acknowledge him which he has that right if he wants and the Wisc gave him a arm check and wouldn't let him walk by. If he just accepted that fact that Howard didn't want to shake hands or speak and let him go his way none of this would have happened. That's my 2 cents.

That is where you are completely wrong. As Howard approached the Wisky coach Howard pulled down his mask and said" I will remember that sh-t". If he wanted to just walk by then he would not have said anything.

 
A power five basketball coach should never touch another coach except to shake hands. Howard should be fired immediately. There is no justification for it, you walk away and handle it through the proper channels.
 
Before getting in the line, Howard was talking. You have no idea what he said. In addition, the Wisconsin coach did nothing more than try to explain why he called the TO. Howard acted like a fool kid on the playground who is used to getting away with being the bully big kid.
That's fine if he wanted to explain why he called a TO but if Howard doesn't want to talk about it and wants to walk past then let him and move on. You don't block another man from walking past just because you want to have your say. If he had let it go this post wouldn't exist.
 
That's fine if he wanted to explain why he called a TO but if Howard doesn't want to talk about it and wants to walk past then let him and move on. You don't block another man from walking past just because you want to have your say. If he had let it go this post wouldn't exist.
If Howard hadn't said "I'll remember that shit" it's very likely that Gard would have let him go.
 
An open hand pop on top of the head does not make it a "punch thrown"
 
That is where you are completely wrong. As Howard approached the Wisky coach Howard pulled down his mask and said" I will remember that sh-t". If he wanted to just walk by then he would not have said anything.

You can see Howard wanted to walk past and the coach grabbed him by the arm and Howard said "don't touch me"... that's where it all started. He could have let Howard go and maybe try to call him later to explain. I stand by my point. What Howard said before trying to walk past and being grabbed is irrelevant.
 
You can see Howard wanted to walk past and the coach grabbed him by the arm and Howard said "don't touch me"... that's where it all started. He could have let Howard go and maybe try to call him later to explain. I stand by my point. What Howard said before trying to walk past and being grabbed is irrelevant.
Your point shows you are an idiot.
 
You can see Howard wanted to walk past and the coach grabbed him by the arm and Howard said "don't touch me"... that's where it all started. He could have let Howard go and maybe try to call him later to explain. I stand by my point. What Howard said before trying to walk past and being grabbed is irrelevant.
What Howard said is absolutely and completely relevant.
 
An open hand pop on top of the head does not make it a "punch thrown"
Semantics. You reach across people to strike another Man knowing damn well nobody around cares if it was an open or closed 👊. They all looking for affirmation to get it on, and their HEAD COACH granted that with his actions. SMDH.
 
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You can see Howard wanted to walk past and the coach grabbed him by the arm and Howard said "don't touch me"... that's where it all started. He could have let Howard go and maybe try to call him later to explain. I stand by my point. What Howard said before trying to walk past and being grabbed is irrelevant.
He (Gard) didn't feel like he needed to explain anything UNTIL Howard pulled down his mask to tell him " I will remember that Shit Gard" THAT is what started everything period!
 
Both men have things they could have and should have done differently! The NCAA and most reasonable people feel that Howard did a little more so he got the suspension and larger fine. I think it is time to do away with the handshake line anyway. I hope both coaches and the NCAA learn from this debacle so we can go back to bball! Firing Howard would be an extreme overreaction, but would be warranted if he has anymore physical altercations!
 
Both men have things they could have and should have done differently! The NCAA and most reasonable people feel that Howard did a little more so he got the suspension and larger fine. I think it is time to do away with the handshake line anyway. I hope both coaches and the NCAA learn from this debacle so we can go back to bball! Firing Howard would be an extreme overreaction, but would be warranted if he has anymore physical altercations!
Why do they need to "do away with the handshake line?" Is it too much to ask for young men, and their adult coaches, to display a modicum of sportsmanship and acknowledge each other as people after the game. Why do we have to abandon a gesture of human spirit because a few of them completely lose their composure after a basketball game? It's a BASKETBALL GAME. At least pretend you have some element of decency for 5-10 seconds.
 
That's fine if he wanted to explain why he called a TO but if Howard doesn't want to talk about it and wants to walk past then let him and move on. You don't block another man from walking past just because you want to have your say. If he had let it go this post wouldn't exist.
I kinda agree but if so the Howard needs to keep his mouth shut. He started and it’s easy to see
 
Why do they need to "do away with the handshake line?" Is it too much to ask for young men, and their adult coaches, to display a modicum of sportsmanship and acknowledge each other as people after the game. Why do we have to abandon a gesture of human spirit because a few of them completely lose their composure after a basketball game? It's a BASKETBALL GAME. At least pretend you have some element of decency for 5-10 seconds.
Why do they need to have it? They don't do it in other sports. Why should basketball be any different. It's always seemed weird to me that it exist after you get to your teens.
 
Why do they need to have it? They don't do it in other sports. Why should basketball be any different. It's always seemed weird to me that it exist after you get to your teens.
Yeah... after you're a teen, it's time to "be a man" and start being assholes to each other and forget all that sportsmanship/posturing crap they force-fed you as a kid! It's kill or be killed! Win at all costs. Sportsmanship is for the weak. Why teach kids to be civil to each other when it's all just a ruse, anyway? Good point. Get out there and kick some ass, dude!
 
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Yeah... after you're a teen, it's time to "be a man" and start being assholes to each other and forget all that sportsmanship/posturing crap they force-fed you as a kid! It's kill or be killed! Win at all costs. Sportsmanship is for the weak. Why teach kids to be civil to each other when it's all just a ruse, anyway? Good point. Get out there and kick some ass, dude!
Why should basketball be different than other sports? It's apparently possible to achieve those things without the handshake line. Or are you saying basketball players aren't smart enough to do that without shaking someone's hand?
 
Why should basketball be different than other sports? It's apparently possible to achieve those things without the handshake line. Or are you saying basketball players aren't smart enough to do that without shaking someone's hand?
Yeah, I'm saying all basketball players are stupid. :rolleyes: C'mon, dude. Are you that bored?

Clearly, they need to stop because you never know when some coach will lose his shit and start slapping other coaches and start a rumble.
 
Yeah, I'm saying all basketball players are stupid. :rolleyes: C'mon, dude. Are you that bored?
I'm just wonder how the lack of a handshake line in other sports doesn't cause an issue. I've yet to see someone tell me why it's necessary in basketball, but not needed in other sports. Maybe it's the shoes?
 
Football coaches usually meet at midfield, some players too, though it isn't expected.
I haven't watched baseball in years but don't recall that they ever did.
I thought hockey had a handshake line after games?
 
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I'm just wonder how the lack of a handshake line in other sports doesn't cause an issue. I've yet to see someone tell me why it's necessary in basketball, but not needed in other sports. Maybe it's the shoes?
Nothing is "necessary." It certainly could be implemented it in all sports. When I was in a kid in baseball leagues, up through the 6th grade, we always lined-up and shook hands after every game.

It's also not "causing an issue." But, for whatever reason, it's been agreed upon to line-up and exhibit and acknowledge the presence of being a good sport and "no hard feelings." It's just a gesture. Why abandon it because one or two hot-heads are incapable of realizing that it's a game and not an opportunity to incite revenge and start a fight?
 
Football coaches usually meet at midfield, some players too, though it isn't expected.
I haven't watched baseball in years but don't recall that they ever did.
I thought hockey had a handshake line after games?
Baseball doesn't do it after a certain age. I just don't understand why people are freaking out about the idea of getting rid of it, but at the same time aren't upset that other sports don't do it. As far as hockey, I was referring to relevant sports.
 
That is where you are completely wrong. As Howard approached the Wisky coach Howard pulled down his mask and said" I will remember that sh-t". If he wanted to just walk by then he would not have said anything.
This is the crux of the matter. Howard started it by by running his mouth instead of just walking right by. He wanted a confrontation. Reverse the shoes and Gard would be fired by now.
 
Why do they need to "do away with the handshake line?" Is it too much to ask for young men, and their adult coaches, to display a modicum of sportsmanship and acknowledge each other as people after the game. Why do we have to abandon a gesture of human spirit because a few of them completely lose their composure after a basketball game? It's a BASKETBALL GAME. At least pretend you have some element of decency for 5-10 seconds.
Spot on!!!!!
 
Why do they need to "do away with the handshake line?" Is it too much to ask for young men, and their adult coaches, to display a modicum of sportsmanship and acknowledge each other as people after the game. Why do we have to abandon a gesture of human spirit because a few of them completely lose their composure after a basketball game? It's a BASKETBALL GAME. At least pretend you have some element of decency for 5-10 seconds.
I absolutely agree, you do not do away with the hand shake line just because Juwan Howard can not show sportsmanship after his team loses a game.
 
Why should basketball be different than other sports? It's apparently possible to achieve those things without the handshake line. Or are you saying basketball players aren't smart enough to do that without shaking someone's hand?
Football doesn’t line up but they meet at midfield
 
Put whatever stipulation on it you want. They still meet and greet.
Which is different than a handshake line that you walk through. How about we do the same with basketball. Meet and greet if you want or go directly to the locker room. Seems like a good idea.
 
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