Juwan throws a punch....

[Archer2]

Should we stop teaching higher math because a minority of students can’t handle it? Oh, wait. If you cant muster up enough civility to go through a handshake line, then you don’t need to be playing. You especially don’t need to be coaching. Our once great country is going to hell, the character of our people largely eroded.

 

[alabamaheel]

Which is different than a handshake line that you walk through. How about we do the same with basketball. Meet and greet if you want or go directly to the locker room. Seems like a good idea.

Sounds like the nba. Meh. Either way. I like the college model. No outs. One team faces the music, while the other dances to it. I still like it. We have a candy weak world we live in. Sometimes we have to put our big boy pants on and grin and bare it.

 

[TPFKAPFS]

I don't care one way or the other if they have a handshake line really. I think right now nobody should shake hands since it is unsafe, but I agree that coaches should be able to handle their emotions enough to neither slap each other or grab each other! But since I work in education, I know for a fact that the majority of teens are incapable of handling strong emotions that quickly. I don't see it as a societal issue, but a maturity issue and yes I do think we should not put them in positions we know many of them are not prepared for! No politics just the experience of 25+ years in education! Sports is an important vehicle to teach youngsters societal values like, teamwork, cooperation, sportsmanship, perseverance, work ethic, and many others. BUT we can't think a handshake line is that important when compared with the other 40+ minutes. If a coach is teaching kids to cheat by grabbing, faking falls, putting hits out on opponents, cursing/bullying refs, switching free throw shooters they are doing far more damage! I think the idea of a choice based meeting on the court after games is a good compromise!
(I see no reason to think the punishment would be different if the coaches changed position either!)

 

[tarheel0910]

Sounds like the nba. Meh. Either way. I like the college model. No outs. One team faces the music, while the other dances to it. I still like it. We have a candy weak world we live in. Sometimes we have to put our big boy pants on and grin and bare it.

That's fine. I wasn't advocating to get rid of it. I was just trying to figure out why people hold it in such reverence for basketball and don't care about it for other sports. It appears no one can answer that question. I've spent a lot more time on this discussion than I wanted to, so I'll just leave it at that.

 

[uncfootball-]

I think right now nobody should shake hands since it is unsafe,

How is it unsafe?

 

[JimmyinVA]

Should we stop teaching higher math because a minority of students can’t handle it? Oh, wait. If you cant muster up enough civility to go through a handshake line, then you don’t need to be playing. You especially don’t need to be coaching. Our once great country is going to hell, the character of our people largely eroded.

true.

 

[1heel4life]

Should we stop teaching higher math because a minority of students can’t handle it? Oh, wait. If you cant muster up enough civility to go through a handshake line, then you don’t need to be playing. You especially don’t need to be coaching. Our once great country is going to hell, the character of our people largely eroded.

YES

 

[DSouthr]

I don't care one way or the other if they have a handshake line really. I think right now nobody should shake hands since it is unsafe, but I agree that coaches should be able to handle their emotions enough to neither slap each other or grab each other! But since I work in education, I know for a fact that the majority of teens are incapable of handling strong emotions that quickly. I don't see it as a societal issue, but a maturity issue and yes I do think we should not put them in positions we know many of them are not prepared for! No politics just the experience of 25+ years in education! Sports is an important vehicle to teach youngsters societal values like, teamwork, cooperation, sportsmanship, perseverance, work ethic, and many others. BUT we can't think a handshake line is that important when compared with the other 40+ minutes. If a coach is teaching kids to cheat by grabbing, faking falls, putting hits out on opponents, cursing/bullying refs, switching free throw shooters they are doing far more damage! I think the idea of a choice based meeting on the court after games is a good compromise!
(I see no reason to think the punishment would be different if the coaches changed position either!)

The handshake line is NOT mandated by the NCAA, it is more a honored tradition of the sport to show sportsmanship, which believe it or not is the actual goal of college sports per the NCAA charter. Had Howard felt so strongly he could have told his players to go straight to the locker room with no hand shake line. If he could not control his own emotions Howard could have walked straight off the court and not congratulate the other coach. But rather than do that he elected to show his arse in a very un-sportsman like manner.

What better avenue to teach these young kids to learn to handle their emotions, how to be upset about losing but to be a sportsman about it. If it is nothing more than a maturity issue concern and not a societal concern then there should be no problem with a handshake line that has been the norm since the sport began to be played in college. Why now is it an issue when it was not before? And really, we are not even really talking about the kids we are talking about a grown man that could not show sportsmanship. The fights started because Howard started it and kids at that point started defending their coaches on both sides.

 

[DSouthr]

Should we stop teaching higher math because a minority of students can’t handle it? Oh, wait. If you cant muster up enough civility to go through a handshake line, then you don’t need to be playing. You especially don’t need to be coaching. Our once great country is going to hell, the character of our people largely eroded.

Damn right!

 

[Grover Thomas]

Should we stop teaching higher math because a minority of students can’t handle it? Oh, wait. If you cant muster up enough civility to go through a handshake line, then you don’t need to be playing. You especially don’t need to be coaching. Our once great country is going to hell, the character of our people largely eroded.

It not that the character of our country has eroded…..it’s because people don’t have enough Love in their hearts……let Love lead the way….and our country and UNC will be great again!

 

[gunslingerdick]

I'm just wonder how the lack of a handshake line in other sports doesn't cause an issue. I've yet to see someone tell me why it's necessary in basketball, but not needed in other sports. Maybe it's the shoes?

Necessary? Is it necessary for me to drink my own urine? No, but I do it anyway because it's sterile and I like the taste.

 

[Grover Thomas]

Necessary? Is it necessary for me to drink my own urine? No, but I do it anyway because it's sterile and I like the taste.

You need to Let the Love into your heart

 

[gunslingerdick]

That's fine. I wasn't advocating to get rid of it. I was just trying to figure out why people hold it in such reverence for basketball and don't care about it for other sports. It appears no one can answer that question. I've spent a lot more time on this discussion than I wanted to, so I'll just leave it at that.

It's a custom. I realize that traditions and customs are under assault in today's world but that doesn't mean we all have to just give up on them.

I don't care one iota about the handshake line and I agree with much of your reasoning for potentially doing away with it. But I don't like when we change things because of the minority. Howard and the few others that can't suck it up and be cordial and subscribe to the custom of shaking hands after the game shouldn't end the tradition that many people enjoy. My beef is more about submitting to minority view and a lower class thinking - "there's the possibility one of these guys is going to act like a caveman so we better nip this in the bud." F*** that.

Also, Howard had every opportunity to simply not participate. He could have walked around the line and excluded just himself. He wanted the confrontation.

I settle on I think the aftermath was handled appropriately. It's an appropriate suspension for Howard and an appropriate fine for for Gard.

 

[ChapelHeeled]

That's fine. I wasn't advocating to get rid of it. I was just trying to figure out why people hold it in such reverence for basketball and don't care about it for other sports. It appears no one can answer that question. I've spent a lot more time on this discussion than I wanted to, so I'll just leave it at that.

Yes, it was the handshake line of tradition, thus causing the coach to do what he did. Change the focus as Coach Howard is clearly the victim here...

 

[Grover Thomas]

It's a custom. I realize that traditions and customs are under assault in today's world but that doesn't mean we all have to just give up on them.

I don't care one iota about the handshake line and I agree with much of your reasoning for potentially doing away with it. But I don't like when we change things because of the minority. Howard and the few others that can't suck it up and be cordial and subscribe to the custom of shaking hands after the game shouldn't end the tradition that many people enjoy. My beef is more about submitting to minority view and a lower class thinking - "there's the possibility one of these guys is going to act like a caveman so we better nip this in the bud." F*** that.

Also, Howard had every opportunity to simply not participate. He could have walked around the line and excluded just himself. He wanted the confrontation.

I settle on I think the aftermath was handled appropriately. It's an appropriate suspension for Howard and an appropriate fine for for Gard.

The punishment wasn’t enough….both should have to go to counseling…..and learn about the Power of Love

 

[tarheel0910]

Necessary? Is it necessary for me to drink my own urine? No, but I do it anyway because it's sterile and I like the taste.

Very underrated movie.

It's a custom. I realize that traditions and customs are under assault in today's world but that doesn't mean we all have to just give up on them.

I don't care one iota about the handshake line and I agree with much of your reasoning for potentially doing away with it. But I don't like when we change things because of the minority. Howard and the few others that can't suck it up and be cordial and subscribe to the custom of shaking hands after the game shouldn't end the tradition that many people enjoy. My beef is more about submitting to minority view and a lower class thinking - "there's the possibility one of these guys is going to act like a caveman so we better nip this in the bud." F*** that.

Also, Howard had every opportunity to simply not participate. He could have walked around the line and excluded just himself. He wanted the confrontation.

I settle on I think the aftermath was handled appropriately. It's an appropriate suspension for Howard and an appropriate fine for for Gard.

tl;dr

 

[gunslingerdick]

Very underrated movie.

Rip Torn was a comedic genius.

 

[TPFKAPFS]

FTR I have seen alot in handshake lines in High school. Fights, spit or other stuff on hands, pushing, racism, taunting, etc My feelings about it are from that more than the imbecile coaches!

 

[UNC-75]

You need to Let the Love into your heart

Grover alert. Take the tablet from the kids. It could get scary.

 

[Grover Thomas]

Grover alert. Take the tablet from the kids. It could get scary.

UNC-75 …are you feeling the Love today?

 

[hill6]

Should we stop teaching higher math because a minority of students can’t handle it? Oh, wait. If you cant muster up enough civility to go through a handshake line, then you don’t need to be playing. You especially don’t need to be coaching. Our once great country is going to hell, the character of our people largely eroded.

I'm not sure if you're being facetious here, but I don't think it has anything to do with some great erosion of national character. I think this is the typical reaction you see when anything happens at anytime. Talking heads will debate it, people will discuss whether we need to change the rules, and in 6 months no one will talk about it and nothing new will happen.

 

[Archer2]

Couldn’t agree more