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Duke and Ky have been exceeding the G-league pay roll numbers for years!

At this point, all I can pray for, all any college ball fan can is that the NCAA can be smart enough to make sure that any NIL deal can not have the program they either are playing for or are considering to have any involvement in that players NIL deals. I am fine with players getting an agent that negotiates NIL deals for them but that can have no, ZERO school involvement! I don't care how much a kid like Caleb Love makes in NIL deals nor do I think his team mates care, they would support him to get as much as he can. Problem is any agent that gets a NIL deal for a kid is going to want part of his NBA deal or at very least the NIL deals that come to him as a NBA player so they have every inducement to guide a kid away from the college game.

NIL should not be allowed to favor any 1 program over any other or guide a recruit to a particular program over any other program because a big time donor wants to steer a kid to any particular program. Example, a kid playing for Memphis should not be able to get a NIL deal from Fedex, a kid looking at Oregon should not get a Nike NIL deal while in college.

I have absolutely ZERO faith the NCAA as either willing or capable in putting in place a program that is fair for all involved at least until Mark Emmert is no longer associated with the NCAA in any capacity!

It's here Dave. Caleb and Bacot may make 500K+ this season. All of the UNC players are going to make money. The trainers will make money.

Let me give you an example on a player like Puff. Let say Puff hits the game winning shot in one of the Duke games this season. Then decides to raffle off his a game jersey on Ebay. As a poor man, I would bid $250 for it. What do you think a high level Rams Club member would bid for it? 25K, 50K?
 
Best case scenario is peeps might stay a little longer if the financial pressure is removed! Or a program like UNC could stockpile recruits because they get a UNC bump!
 
Just like the school currently can't sell jerseys with names but can sell a ton of number 50 jerseys! Puff could sell a light blue, argyle tank with his number! Correct?
 
Just like the school currently can't sell jerseys with names but can sell a ton of number 50 jerseys! Puff could sell a light blue, argyle tank with his number! Correct?

Yep, you are correct. I got it wrong. They can't sell anything with team logos.
 
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Best case scenario is peeps might stay a little longer if the financial pressure is removed! Or a program like UNC could stockpile recruits because they get a UNC bump!
I think this helps us a lot with our players who are fringe first round picks. UNC is a great place for NIL opportunities, so it could be enough money for some to come back if they don't get the first round guarantee. It's also going to be a big sell to recruits, especially in other sports. A lot of people here think NIL is going to be the end of the world, but it will be helpful for UNC.
 
I think this helps us a lot with our players who are fringe first round picks. UNC is a great place for NIL opportunities, so it could be enough money for some to come back if they don't get the first round guarantee. It's also going to be a big sell to recruits, especially in other sports. A lot of people here think NIL is going to be the end of the world, but it will be helpful for UNC.
Some of these kids have 100,000 + followers on Twitter or Instagram in high school. Zion had a million I think, that gets you paid big time with advertising 5+ grand a month, they never could cash in on that like every other kid with their followers before.

Schools with big fan bases, who will check in on their guys sites means more value for the kids social media sites. I would think UNC would be a significant fanbase of possible followers?
 
I think this helps us a lot with our players who are fringe first round picks. UNC is a great place for NIL opportunities, so it could be enough money for some to come back if they don't get the first round guarantee. It's also going to be a big sell to recruits, especially in other sports. A lot of people here think NIL is going to be the end of the world, but it will be helpful for UNC.
Yep... UNC sells a LOT of gear and apparel!
 
I realize there are tons of people that will buy stuff because it has a player's name on it but just not my thing. I haven't bought anything with the swoosh on it in over 20 years. Plain light blue t-shirt - $5.00.. add the swoosh - $35.00. No thanks.
 
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Hubert’s Junior year was one of the deepest UNC team I’ve seen.
Whole sale substitutions on the 90-91 Tar Heels! I am sure he will know how to get these players the PT they are looking for.
 
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Some of these kids have 100,000 + followers on Twitter or Instagram in high school. Zion had a million I think, that gets you paid big time with advertising 5+ grand a month, they never could cash in on that like every other kid with their followers before.

Schools with big fan bases, who will check in on their guys sites means more value for the kids social media sites. I would think UNC would be a significant fanbase of possible followers?
Yeah, social media will probably be the biggest driver of NIL money. You'll see a lot of the lesser known players (think OL, blue steel, relief pitcher, etc) making decent money because of social media. A lot of the older people here (sorry, not sorry) think this is all about shoe money. That's not where the money is at nowadays. Nike won't be the big money maker for 99% of the kids.

ETA: Another example. The Rams Club is selling spots for a "basketball camp" for older members where they get to meet and watch former players scrimmage. It's $7,500 a piece. The current players could easily get together and do something like that and people would lineup for that.
 
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You do realize that Hubert did not coach Chapel High schools JV team, that he in fact coached the UNC JV team, college team, college players? Any point you tried to make fell apart with that realization.

AAU experience? Really, is that what you want, UNC's program run like AAU programs? Do you have any feel at all of the things learned at the AAU level that a college coach must undo in order to get their players to play the team game at the college level? Way to many of the negative influences that whisper nonsense in to a kid's head happen at the AAU level and you want that to infect this UNC program?
That’s not what he said at all. He said coaching AAU or high school gives you better experience dealing with egos and putting players into their roles. Coaching JV at UNC youre coaching players that are going to do whatever the coach tells them to because theyre just happy to be playing
 
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Yep, you are correct. I got it wrong. They can't sell anything with team logos.
Actually, I think they could with agreement from both parties, the player and the school. Problem in the past was the school could not have names on the jersey because the player could not agree because they could not get consideration for that agreement. But moving forward the players will be in for a cut and the teams could add names on the back to go along with the names on the front. Now that the NCAA has dropped the NIL rules, they would not have a say in the matter unless the NCAA logo is on the jersey. I think this is how things will work and if so I would not see that as a problem.

For example, imagine what a Luke Maye signed jersey would have sold for a few days after Luke hit that shot that sank Ky, lot of money to spread around there. The problem I see on the horizon is there will be a point the players want a cut of the TV revenues and more than a few programs need their split of broadcast revenues to pay for other sports.
 
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That’s not what he said at all. He said coaching AAU or high school gives you better experience dealing with egos and putting players into their roles. Coaching JV at UNC youre coaching players that are going to do whatever the coach tells them to because theyre just happy to be playing
Actually, that is exactly what he said, that he would prefer a high school or AAU coach over a guy that had only head coached the UNC JV team. Hubert had been an assistant at UNC for how long before he was named head coach so to suggest he has less experience handling the "attitudes" of college players is silly. Hubert's experience is way more applicable to what a head coach needs in order to direct a college program than pretty much any high school or AAU coach.
 
I think I just realized the cause of my irritation isn't really players making money. I think it's more the fact that people care enough to enable these players to make money. The idea that a high school player has 1 million followers bothers me at my core. It's a sign of devolution of our society. A high school basketball player hasn't done anything of significance. And it bothers me that kids (and some adults) are so addicted to social media that it enables a culture where an irrelevant 17 year old who hasn't accomplished anything, can leverage his "fame" into dollars.

This was an epiphany I just had. I guess good for the guys who can take advantage of it but good lord, how much lower can humans devolve? What's next? A show called "Ow, My Balls"? People going to law school at Costco? It's so lowbrow.
 
I think I just realized the cause of my irritation isn't really players making money. I think it's more the fact that people care enough to enable these players to make money. The idea that a high school player has 1 million followers bothers me at my core. It's a sign of devolution of our society. A high school basketball player hasn't done anything of significance. And it bothers me that kids (and some adults) are so addicted to social media that it enables a culture where an irrelevant 17 year old who hasn't accomplished anything, can leverage his "fame" into dollars.

This was an epiphany I just had. I guess good for the guys who can take advantage of it but good lord, how much lower can humans devolve? What's next? A show called "Ow, My Balls"? People going to law school at Costco? It's so lowbrow.
Most people realized this in early Nov 2016. Better late than never I guess. :)
 
I think I just realized the cause of my irritation isn't really players making money. I think it's more the fact that people care enough to enable these players to make money. The idea that a high school player has 1 million followers bothers me at my core. It's a sign of devolution of our society. A high school basketball player hasn't done anything of significance. And it bothers me that kids (and some adults) are so addicted to social media that it enables a culture where an irrelevant 17 year old who hasn't accomplished anything, can leverage his "fame" into dollars.

This was an epiphany I just had. I guess good for the guys who can take advantage of it but good lord, how much lower can humans devolve? What's next? A show called "Ow, My Balls"? People going to law school at Costco? It's so lowbrow.

I agree. The whole social media things baffles me. Spend all day telling people about your private life. I dont get the point in "following" people on twitter. Who cares what they ate for lunch? I dont have facebook but have seen links where people seeking attention when a parent dies. Just weird.
 
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Oops. Sorry. I must be in the wrong place.

I keep coming here for updates on the Tarheel target that could propel us into contention for a National Championship, only to see yet another thread derailed. Pretty sure I've seen at least one NIL devoted thread. Might that be a better spot for this discussion?
 
Oops. Sorry. I must be in the wrong place.

I keep coming here for updates on the Tarheel target that could propel us into contention for a National Championship, only to see yet another thread derailed. Pretty sure I've seen at least one NIL devoted thread. Might that be a better spot for this discussion?

I was thinking the same thing
 
Oops. Sorry. I must be in the wrong place.

I keep coming here for updates on the Tarheel target that could propel us into contention for a National Championship, only to see yet another thread derailed. Pretty sure I've seen at least one NIL devoted thread. Might that be a better spot for this discussion?
Most every thread in time morphs away from what the OP began it to discuss so how is this one any different? When the SPORTS RELATED discussion of NIL comes up it is a sports topic, a basketball topic, a generational change in mindset topic, and yes it is as well a political discussion. Now maybe I missed it but I don't recall a post on this thread concerning infrastructure, don't see any mentions of military strikes, or the folks that invaded the White House with AK-47s and grenade launchers. No, it has been discussion about a topic that is directly related to this board.

This thread morphed in to a NIL direction with the notion of some programs having extra advantage in recruiting. I am pretty darn sure, if there is any solid movement on the Garcia front, such news will not be hard to find on this thread as well as several other frequently checks avenues.

IN addition, say this thread was held strictly to being about Garcia potentially committing to UNC and multiple days turn in to multiple weeks where there is no movement on that front, no one would be posting on this thread, what happens to the thread then? It drops as other threads are posted on in time dropping off this front page. However the posting, even if it has morphed to what you do not consider to be part of a Dawson discussion, the posting does keep it at the top of this front page so that you can booth easily find it as well as easily see if it contains any updates you are looking for.
 
Oops. Sorry. I must be in the wrong place.

I keep coming here for updates on the Tarheel target that could propel us into contention for a National Championship, only to see yet another thread derailed. Pretty sure I've seen at least one NIL devoted thread. Might that be a better spot for this discussion?
We will probably use the new NIL rules to recruit him. Is that better?
 
You want to turn this political? Because I love that shit. But I suspect that soft Canadians won't agree with my talking points.
The last four years weren't political, they were a S@#T reality show run by an undeniably personality disordered buffoon. That idiot my pillow guy would have made a better leader at least he was selling something that normal, sane people believe in.
 
well lets get the Karma and Mojo vibe going on this one. This guy in Carolina Blue would make me smile al day long.
 
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Thats huge thats hes at least visiting, if he were to commit, that could REALLY REALLY change the landscape of the team for next year. He has until the 7th to pull out of the Draft, so I would assume he would make up his mind by then.
 
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Thats huge thats hes at least visiting, if he were to commit, that could REALLY REALLY change the landscape of the team for next year. He has until the 7th to pull out of the Draft, so I would assume he would make up his mind by then.
4 things about this:

1) Texas thought to be a player in the sweeps for Garcia just got a commit from a big man yesterday so that may hurt them in this chase. I have not looked to see it the big man they added is a back to the basket guy or a face up guy, a back to the basket guy would not hurt them (unless they are tight on schollys) a face up big could be a problem for them with Garcia. We have Bacot as a back to the basket guy and yes we have Manek as a face up 4 but I would think Garcia would start over Manek at the 4 and rotate over to the 5 when Bacot sits and Manek comes in.

2) Was not invited to the NBA evaluation, seems to help make the case for him to play college ball next season.

3) Left the door open when he entered the portal for a return to Marquette, this many times is so the kid has the ability to return to what he knows if he does not find what he considers to be the perfect situation for him to leave for. UNC was strong for the kid coming out of HS but when Kessler committed he knew his op with UNC was closed out. Hubert was his lead recruiter then so they already had a solid relationship and now that Hubert is our head coach, well you can add 2+2 without my help.

4) With Garcia UNC will be considered a real contender for a final 4 because Garcia is considered a perfect fit for the only real concern we have at this point, front court depth with length. Does Garcia want to play college ball next season or play for a national championship. Looks like the offers he has right now are not from teams thought to be serious contenders for a natty next season except UNC with his addition.
 
The last four years weren't political, they were a S@#T reality show run by an undeniably personality disordered buffoon. That idiot my pillow guy would have made a better leader at least he was selling something that normal, sane people believe in.

If you thought the last 4 years were awful, I can't imagine what you think of us now with a dementia riddled imbecile and his radical left puppet masters creating division at every turn and kowtowing to minority groups terrorizing Americans on the backs of a myth.
 
4 things about this:

1) Texas thought to be a player in the sweeps for Garcia just got a commit from a big man yesterday so that may hurt them in this chase. I have not looked to see it the big man they added is a back to the basket guy or a face up guy, a back to the basket guy would not hurt them (unless they are tight on schollys) a face up big could be a problem for them with Garcia. We have Bacot as a back to the basket guy and yes we have Manek as a face up 4 but I would think Garcia would start over Manek at the 4 and rotate over to the 5 when Bacot sits and Manek comes in.

2) Was not invited to the NBA evaluation, seems to help make the case for him to play college ball next season.

3) Left the door open when he entered the portal for a return to Marquette, this many times is so the kid has the ability to return to what he knows if he does not find what he considers to be the perfect situation for him to leave for. UNC was strong for the kid coming out of HS but when Kessler committed he knew his op with UNC was closed out. Hubert was his lead recruiter then so they already had a solid relationship and now that Hubert is our head coach, well you can add 2+2 without my help.

4) With Garcia UNC will be considered a real contender for a final 4 because Garcia is considered a perfect fit for the only real concern we have at this point, front court depth with length. Does Garcia want to play college ball next season or play for a national championship. Looks like the offers he has right now are not from teams thought to be serious contenders for a natty next season except UNC with his addition.
@David Sisk has said that according to sources that he trusts, there is basically a top 3 of UNC, Arizona, and Illinois. He isn’t announcing a list publicly, but David has done amazing work to get us that info.
 
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