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Nassir Liitle's recruitment

Steat said:
Litttle is not going to UNC. Roy backed off on his soon after the OV. He is toxic and Roy does not play the money game. That's another reason why Roy reaches out for a class act like Hubert Davis to be an assistant coach. He knows what some of these high profile coaches are doing out there. I have said from Day 1 that Hubert will replace Roy when he retires and I'm sticking to it.
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Steat, while I agree about Hubert and Roy in general, I don't believe it's accurate that he had already completely backed off. That being said, I am reasonably sure (investigation notwithstanding) that the word of AZ's attempted $$$ shenanigans with Little had gotten back to Roy (these things are poorly-kept secrets in the recruiting world).

My educated guess is that Roy has/is following up with the Littles to see just how far that was gonna go, i.e., whether or not his family had actually accepted the $$$ offer (or worse, were asking), and thus, to vet out if Nassir is still a kid Roy wants to put his faith in with a scholarship.

On that count personally I'll leave my faith in Roy and staff to sort out whether Little is indeed toxic, or not.
 
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Steat said:
Put Roy on an even playing field and lets see what will happen. That may be coming soon.
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Man. Bet we'd see pre-2010 levels of success.

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Just think... the NCAA has spent years raving over a few AFAM classes and all this illegal sufff going with college coaches. The cruel thing about this is that many in the NCAA knew it was going on and didn't have the staff and money to stop it.
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With all the money and staff they poured into our investigation, I wonder why.
 
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Steat said:
Put Roy on an even playing field and lets see what will happen. That may be coming soon. Just think... the NCAA has spent years raving over a few AFAM classes and all this illegal sufff going with college coaches. The cruel thing about this is that many in the NCAA knew it was going on and didn't have the staff and money (or actual desire) to stop it.
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FIFY :cool:
 
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Steat, while I agree about Hubert and Roy in general, I don't believe it's accurate that he had already completely backed off. That being said, I am reasonably sure (investigation notwithstanding) that the word of AZ's attempted $$$ shenanigans with Little had gotten back to Roy (these things are poorly-kept secrets in the recruiting world).

My educated guess is that Roy has/is following up with the Littles to see just how far that was gonna go, i.e., whether or not his family had actually accepted the $$$ offer (or worse, were asking), and thus, to vet out if Nassir is still a kid Roy wants to put his faith in with a scholarship.

On that count personally I'll leave my faith in Roy and staff to sort out whether Little is indeed toxic, or not.
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Gary, let me put it another way. Every college basketball coach in the NCAA knows that if a kid is ranked in the Top 10 there is going to be at least 1-2 schools offering the kid some money through one of the channels. Roy knows this about Little and all the other Top 10 recruits. Plus, Little still lists Duke on his OV list and everyone knows that this is for show. Roy made the trip to see Little because he hopes that Little would commit "cleanly" without any provisions. Roy may not have known about the FBI investigation, but he sure knows that certain schools are out there offering money. He knows it is going on and is probably smilling today. There is not one college coach that does not know what is going on. Roy was 0 for 21 on OAD offers over the last 3 years. He also knows that the primary reason he is losing these OAD player is not because of the NCAA cloud hanging over UNC. It's because these players are being paid. WWW is the only runner that may never get caught. The man has been doing it too long. There is a college fraternity among college coaches. They don't snitch on each other despite only 95% of them running clean programs.
 
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Gary, let me put it another way. Every college basketball coach in the NCAA knows that if a kid is ranked in the Top 10 there is going to be at least 1-2 schools offering the kid some money through one of the channels. Roy knows this about Little and all the other Top 10 recruits. Plus, Little still lists Duke on his OV list and everyone knows that this is for show. Roy made the trip to see Little because he hopes that Little would commit "cleanly" without any provisions. Roy may not have known about the FBI investigation, but he sure knows that certain schools are out there offering money. He knows it is going on and is probably smilling today. There is not one college coach that does not know what is going on. Roy was 0 for 21 on OAD offers over the last 3 years. He also knows that the primary reason he is losing these OAD player is not because of the NCAA cloud hanging over UNC. There is a college fraternity among college coaches. They don't snitch on each other despite 95% of them running clean programs.
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Absolutely. That's why I believe Roy's recent visit was a vetting expedition amid the $henanigans of others to see if Little would indeed commit, as you aptly put it, "cleanly".
 
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Yeah Roy was always considered one of the best recruiters in the game. Looking back now, we all blamed the ncaa stuff for these misses on the trail. I agree if you put him on a level playing field at a school like UNC it makes no sense whatsoever to miss on almost every OAD the last 5 years.

But now it makes perfect sense.
 
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Absolutely. That's why I believe Roy's recent visit was a vetting expedition amid the $henanigans of others to see if Little would indeed commit, as you aptly put it, "cleanly".
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Agree Gary. I still think Little is off the table because even if they say they are clean something may come up later. I don't think UNC will take the risk. Go out and find another Justin Jackson.
 
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Yeah Roy was always considered one of the best recruiters in the game. Looking back now, we all blamed the ncaa stuff for these misses on the trail. I agree if you put him on a level playing field at a school like UNC it makes no sense whatsoever to miss on almost every OAD the last 5 years.

But now it makes perfect sense.
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Actually, we didn't ALL blame the NCAA stuff for our recruiting misses! I have stated clearly for the last few years, the NCAA issues were a part of it but that I didn't consider it to be the biggest part and now you can see part of what I was talking about.
 
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Agree Gary. I still think Little is off the table because even if they say they are clean something may come up later. I don't UNC will take the risk. Go out an find another Justin Jackson.
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Wellll... there IS his little bro :cool:... although we hafta wait a while.
 
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Perhaps Felton will stay another year if Roy strikes out for recruits next season.
 
Steat said:
Gary, let me put it another way. Every college basketball coach in the NCAA knows that if a kid is ranked in the Top 10 there is going to be at least 1-2 schools offering the kid some money through one of the channels. Roy knows this about Little and all the other Top 10 recruits. Plus, Little still lists Duke on his OV list and everyone knows that this is for show. Roy made the trip to see Little because he hopes that Little would commit "cleanly" without any provisions. Roy may not have known about the FBI investigation, but he sure knows that certain schools are out there offering money. He knows it is going on and is probably smilling today. There is not one college coach that does not know what is going on. Roy was 0 for 21 on OAD offers over the last 3 years. He also knows that the primary reason he is losing these OAD player is not because of the NCAA cloud hanging over UNC. It's because these players are being paid. WWW is the only runner that may never get caught. The man has been doing it too long. There is a college fraternity among college coaches. They don't snitch on each other despite only 95% of them running clean programs.
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Couple points I want to disagree with, respectfully of course cause you know I enjoy my buddy steat!

First, 95% run a clean program? Really, in D-1 the clean programs % may be closer to 5% with 95% having at least some dirt and major dirt that number will easy exceed 50% at least in major programs. Oh, by the way, that is of course just my opinion!

You said that WWW was the only runner that would not be caught, problem is the only way to catch him is to have someone inside that very tight loop go public about it. Those inside that loop all had to much to lose to wane back room deals ever made public so it was like American pointed at Russia and their at us, both have more sense than to fire and insure mutual destruction.

But that has changed now because this is the FBI, now players will be ordered to testify in court and under oath and know if they lie it could be federal jail time, they will sing like canaries, let the world see a bad side of me or I go to jail, Ima staying out of jail heck with WWW.

I* want to caution folks to not jump the shark just yet with Little. While he may be involved it does not mean the kid himself knew anything about it. Maybe it was his AAU coach being able to steer the kid to the school he wanted him at, maybe it was a family member, the kid himself may not have known.
 
DSouthr said:
Couple points I want to disagree with, respectfully of course cause you know I enjoy my buddy steat!

First, 95% run a clean program? Really, in D-1 the clean programs % may be closer to 5% with 95% having at least some dirt and major dirt that number will easy exceed 50% at least in major programs. Oh, by the way, that is of course just my opinion!

You said that WWW was the only runner that would not be caught, problem is the only way to catch him is to have someone inside that very tight loop go public about it. Those inside that loop all had to much to lose to wane back room deals ever made public so it was like American pointed at Russia and their at us, both have more sense than to fire and insure mutual destruction.

But that has changed now because this is the FBI, now players will be ordered to testify in court and under oath and know if they lie it could be federal jail time, they will sing like canaries, let the world see a bad side of me or I go to jail, Ima staying out of jail heck with WWW.

I* want to caution folks to not jump the shark just yet with Little. While he may be involved it does not mean the kid himself knew anything about it. Maybe it was his AAU coach being able to steer the kid to the school he wanted him at, maybe it was a family member, the kid himself may not have known.
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Dave, I will admit that the 95% is too high. If WWW gets caught that may be the equvalent of Saddam Hussain being captured. Our Premium insider says it is closer to 50/50 that the kid knows what is going on. Perhaps Little does not know, but his parents knew what was going on. I hate that I feel this way about Little, but I have already jumped the shark.:)
 
gary-7 said:
My educated guess is that Roy has/is following up with the Littles to see just how far that was gonna go, i.e., whether or not his family had actually accepted the $$$ offer (or worse, were asking), and thus, to vet out if Nassir is still a kid Roy wants to put his faith in with a scholarship.
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Today I heard the mom is running around making threats of libel suits.
o_O
 
Archer2 said:
Here's a novel idea, why don't we wait until the facts come out before we rush to judgment? Remember the Dook soccer thing, the Fergusn thing? Won't people ever learn?
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So it's coincidence that two coaches said they backed off of him last week cuz they knew he was Zona bound?

Ehhhh...smoke = fire 99% of the time.

We'll see, but I'm not optimistic.
 
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I* want to caution folks to not jump the shark just yet with Little. While he may be involved it does not mean the kid himself knew anything about it. Maybe it was his AAU coach being able to steer the kid to the school he wanted him at, maybe it was a family member, the kid himself may not have known.
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Let's assume that's true. Even so, I don't think it makes sense for a school that's been under a cloud as long as we have to open the door to additional negative speculation.

Moreover, suppose we decide that Little, himself, is clean and he comes on board. But then it turns out he wasn't clean.

Why take the risk?
 
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dadika, if are saying UNC may have backed off Little, and that may be the case, it would, IMO, have been based solely on the kids verbal or LOI to 'Zona.
If staff found, through the coaching grapevine, $$ under the table to anyone involved with Nassir, then yeah, we're off that recruit.
 
Wow, read up in the "desert swarm" about the two coaches backing off recently. Curious on the how/why...:eek: was Book his recruiter/contact? :eek:
Tweets he is re-opening recruitment...but wait, he had not committed to 'Zona or any school yet. Then it is deleted.
But dang, Little's AAU coach is already in jail thanks to his new friends at acronym college (FBI) and it is understood being an Adidas group guy, possibly funneled $$ to family but not directly to kid.
UNC will not be involved with him any further, IMO.
 
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What would Dean do?
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Actually, I think the answer is already history, he retired and I do think a large part of that decision was due to the way recruiting was changing and the influx that was constantly growing of exactly what we see happening now.

I do think if this entire thing had exploded while he was still actively coaching that maybe he would have taken a leadership position and worked to clean this up but when he did step down the NCAA was clearly turning a blind eye to all of this so he elected to walk away.
 
So if Little and Laszewski are both no longer options, who do we look at to fill the hybrid 3/4 role? Doesn't seem like Shittu nor Langford fit that spot.
 
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Let's assume that's true. Even so, I don't think it makes sense for a school that's been under a cloud as long as we have to open the door to additional negative speculation.

Moreover, suppose we decide that Little, himself, is clean and he comes on board. But then it turns out he wasn't clean.

Why take the risk?
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Yeah, all I am saying is at this point I do not know of any existing proof that the kid about any of this or his family. All we know at this point is someone fully believed they could deliver the kid to either Zona or Miami but what if that someone was his AAU coach and not the kid nor his family, in that coach feeling the kid trusted him to help him make the best decision? My point is wait until the direct involvement by the kid or his family is established before we hang him.

Example, Brooks, was Auburn not involved, who was it Miss st where his dad was hired to coach and where the kid verbaled, was clearly heart broken when he made that verbal. Clearly there was outside influence put on the kid to the extent he was not making his own decision but allowing folks he trusted to make his decision. When he stood up and was able to make his own decision he de-committed and came to where he wanted to go all along. Now Brooks was not a bad kid because he listened to folks he trusted and very clearly there were dirty tricks that got that initial commit from him, I am glad we didn't give up on him.

All I am saying is this could be a similar thing with Little, we don't know and before we hang the kid I would like to know the extent of his involvement, did he know about any money offers to transactions, if so cut and run but if not then how does he get hung for something he knew nothing about?
 
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Yeah, all I am saying is at this point I do not know of any existing proof that the kid about any of this or his family. All we know at this point is someone fully believed they could deliver the kid to either Zona or Miami but what if that someone was his AAU coach and not the kid nor his family, in that coach feeling the kid trusted him to help him make the best decision? My point is wait until the direct involvement by the kid or his family is established before we hang him.
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Check out this article. Even if you don't think he and/or his parents were in on it after reading that, would you really want to take that chance given all of that evidence?
 
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Yeah, all I am saying is at this point I do not know of any existing proof that the kid about any of this or his family. All we know at this point is someone fully believed they could deliver the kid to either Zona or Miami but what if that someone was his AAU coach and not the kid nor his family, in that coach feeling the kid trusted him to help him make the best decision? My point is wait until the direct involvement by the kid or his family is established before we hang him.

Example, Brooks, was Auburn not involved, who was it Miss st where his dad was hired to coach and where the kid verbaled, was clearly heart broken when he made that verbal. Clearly there was outside influence put on the kid to the extent he was not making his own decision but allowing folks he trusted to make his decision. When he stood up and was able to make his own decision he de-committed and came to where he wanted to go all along. Now Brooks was not a bad kid because he listened to folks he trusted and very clearly there were dirty tricks that got that initial commit from him, I am glad we didn't give up on him.

All I am saying is this could be a similar thing with Little, we don't know and before we hang the kid I would like to know the extent of his involvement, did he know about any money offers to transactions, if so cut and run but if not then how does he get hung for something he knew nothing about?
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He tweeted that he was "re opening" his recruitment tuesday after all this stuff came out and then deleted It. This when he hadn't publicly even picked a school. This indicates to me that he was Arizona bound and.. well the rest is pretty easy to figure out. I think Roy should and probably is done recruiting this guy.

Comparing this with Brooks is totally apples and oranges.
 
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Little's AAU team released a statement saying he knew absolutely nothing about it.

No one believes it, but they're sticking to that story.
 
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