Nassir Liitle's recruitment
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Yea and his profile pays homage to adidas as does little’s high school coach’s.
I mean I can't say I blame them, but it's futile. Everyone knows the jig is up.
What I am saying is that I don't know if he or his parents were actually in on it, I don't KNOW one way or the other right now. You have to understand the influence that a coach can have over a kid and his decisions and especially these AAU coaches. It is very possible that the coach brokered all of this and was banking on his personal influence over the kid and his family to steer him without the family knowing about any money being involved. I realize that may seem very odd to many but it does happen that the coach many times influences the kid more than the family does.
I am not saying it is more likely the kid did not know about the money, I am simply saying there is a chance that he did not and will wait to hang him out when proof is offered one way or the other. Maybe Roy has that proof based on discussions with the kid or the family and if he does then I trust Roy will not consider the kid any further. WE will know by Roy's actions moving forward, if Roy visits the kid or the kid comes to late night for example, what would you think then? I trust Roy to make that decision, I think he has earned that.
I know what you are saying, I just don't see how anyone can read the evidence that is out there already and think that there is a reason you would still want him. Everything out there shows it's not his coach. But even if it was his coach, do you really want someone like his coach having any connection to the program? Isn't Roy supposed to be one of the coaches that avoids handlers and the like?
Well considering that Augustine was arrested, I kinda doubt he will have any further influence over anyone other than maybe his cell mate so connection has been eliminated. I am guessing Roy will not be visiting Augustine in jail, just a guess mind you...LOL
Man it sounds like youre really rationalizing here. Idk how you can look at Littles situation and think Roy wont run away fast. Augustine is in Jail. Just that statement alone is enough to make a shudder run up the spine of anyone pursuing this kid. Rationalizing it by saying Roy wont be visiting him in jail seems weird. I know youre kidding, but still.
95% isn't good enough. If there is even a sliver of doubt that he is innocent then we've got to stay away. One NCAA investigation is enough, we don't need another one.
There's a sliver of a doubt with every 5-star recruit. You can never know for sure.
95% confidence is often colloquially cited as the threshold for "beyond a reasonable doubt".
I would think that had the kid or his family taken money, $150k is a lot to hide, considering that there was a tweet that has now been taken down that the kid was apparently de-committing from some school and re-opening his recruitment. Had the money gone to he or his family, and you would have to assume that if he committed even if silently that money had already been transacted, that if he or his family had taken that money does it not strike you as odd that his father is publicly denying and his mom is threatening defamation law suits? If you just got $150K you are buying stuff typically outside your means and that shows proof that today could land them in jail. So to publicly go to guns as they have rather than contract a lawyer who will tell them quick to STFU and let me deal with this quietly and behind the scenes strikes me as very odd for someone guilty and knows there is a trail of paper that will lead right back to them.
And yet still, his AAU coach, Augustine is in jail, arrested by the FBI based on proof that he was involved, it is not a stretch of the imagination to suggest that it was Augustine that took the $150K and exerted his personal influence over the kid and his family to pick zona as the very best place for him and that they would insure he was in the NBA ASAP. Again, I am not saying that is what happened, I am saying it is a possible scenario that I can not say can be eliminated right now. Maybe the coach told the kid and his parents he already had a commitment from Addias that they would give the kid a X-amount shoe deal the day after he plays his last college game and that he had already worked that out for him. While that could be a violation if the coach told the kid this was how it was done the kid could very likely believe it. Frankly, this is exactly how it is done a LOT!
I am not comfortable with the kid at this point but if Roy moves forward with him I will be comfortable with Roy's knowing more about the situation than we do at this point.
Did he have to go up against dirty dealings? Absolutely. State bought David Thompson out from under him, and hell, Louisville was every bit as filthy then under Denny Crum as they are under Pitino. Even Wooden's UCLA program was dirty.
The difference today is the systemic scope and pervasiveness of it among the players at the level UNC recruits.
Frankly, it will be up to the clearing house to certify the kid's eligibility, and that of others as well. You can bet for example, the NCAA will look again and harder at the 2 kids that De-committed from lville yesterday.
Bottom line, folks are going to start talking looking to cut deals that keep them out of jail. that is when the real fun begins, this so far is nothing more than the tip of that iceberg, the real stuff is coming when the squealing begins. I think that is when you will start to see the 1&D factory schools and we all know who they are, beginning to panic.
Guarantee ya coaches at these 1&D specialty schools are already huddled with the kids asking, how much can they know, what have your folks done with the money, is anyone talking to them, maybe you want to take a medical red shirt for this season?
I dont think anyone is saying or said little or his family actually took money. The issue is that he was being "bidded on" by Miami and Arizona. And it was rumored he had made up his mind on Arizona, so reading between the lines it would appear they won the bidding war,not that any money had changed hands.
So everyone has been saying this has been going on for years, but you think it's hard to hide? Seems to be pretty easy to hide. Especially if no one is actually looking for it.
Now that I think about it your right. They should take a page out of the Pitino playbook and admit to everything. Everyone that is guilty always lets everyone know they're guilty.
I'm struggling to find a reason to trust the NCAA to do anything right at this point.
It's possible that the money had not changed hands, but read this article and the articles mentioned in that article and tell me why anyone would think Little and/or his parents didn't know what was going on.
http://tucson.com/sports/arizonawil...cle_a2ffdb62-a419-11e7-9223-03832afa359e.html
It is easy to hide when no one is looking for it but when folks are looking it is easy to see. Kid commits to a school and all the sudden mom & dad move in to a nice new home or buy a sweet ride when they were living in poverty before. Truth is, you would be amazed at doing nothing more than sitting in a parking lot where athletes park their cars and just see what they drive.
Go to any big time AAU or EYBL event, you would be amazed what you could over hear, people talking in public, it does not take a super sleuth, it just takes keeping your eyes and ears open and actually looking to see what you can find out.
It is like the academic scandal that has hit us, don't ya wonder why some curious reporter or the NCAA itself does not look in to programs that athletes cluster to, that are at EVERY NCAA D-1 program? I mean really, if what happened with us was so bad then why not investigate the clusters of athletes in classes around the country, I mean hell, they would not have even looked at ours had we not self reported it first. People want to know but really they don't want to know, that is the truth of it.
To this very day we still have UNC fans that lament the fact that UNC fired Butch Davis, even after all that has transpired, even knowing how long this has been going on and effecting every aspect of our sports as well as the image of the school itself. It was his players and got the NCAA in to our house and once in all bets are off. Fans care more about winning than anything else, that is the reality of it, Ky fans hated Kal when he coached at Memphis even more than we do today, accused him of cheating even more than we do today and yet today Kal could run for governor and win, he is worshiped in that state and they don't care if he cheats as long as he wins and does not get caught. It is that old SEC saying, if ya ain't cheatin ya ain't tryin.
Oh I agree . That's why I said Roy should and most likely already has stopped recruiting him.
major issue is proving innocence (for Little)..NCAA can focus on Miami or focus on Arizona since there were 2 parties involved..put Little's status on hold and they can take their sweet time before rendering an "eligible" verdict...sad commentary and prolly a somber household
My problem is his deleted tweet. He was"committed" and gonna reopen? That means regardless of reason, he chose a diff school. Maybe I'm just hardheaded, but see ya later! We don't need seconds. Give me those kids that are wanting to be Heels with no doubt.
He wanted to be a Heel, he just couldn't afford the pay cut!
Baker is 2019 little is 2018 the two aren't even in the same recruiting class.
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Isnt it open right now? he was just there a few days ago, and saw another recruit....
I agree and I think Roy does as well. I also trust Roy implicitly. I also am going to delay judgement until all the facts are known. You're supposed to be innocent until proven guilty in America.
I'm afraid you're right.
Pretty damning stuff - even if not totally nailed down. Moreover, it strongly suggests that Nike and Nike-connected schools should be expecting trouble, too.
You can totally believe in "innocent until proven guilty" and yet still not want UNC to take risks with these kids until proven not guilty.
Basically a bad risk-to-reward ratio. If we sign Little and he's clean, we're a somewhat better team. That's nice. But if we sign him and things blow up, we could be smacked hard. Just doesn't seem like a worthwhile gamble to me.
I know they are different classes ,, since little wont be here & shootimu 50/50
DeAndre Ayton is the current Arizona Wildcat that received money. He won't play one minute of college basketball.
AAU and handlers were not the cesspool they are today.
Kids/parents let the HS coach handle the recruitment, not so much now.
Don't think so ... it's not as easy as that! If these kids are tainted, Roy will not touch them!
