Next HC

[DSouthr]

Good points, but is the level of player we are going to covet closer to G-league guys or UNC-G type guys ?

They will be closer to UNC-G level players than G-league. The 5 stars and now many 4stars are leaving the college game sooner and sooner, I mean DJ Stewart just entered the draft, Sharpe just entered the draft knowing if he is drafted 1st round it will be late? But the G-League players, mostly are assigned by a NBA team and those that are not are just glad to get the shot. Make no mistake, the G players were either excellent college players or players that have big time potential that should have matured in college another season or 2 before looking to skip to the league.

So very few if any of the level recruits that we, Ky, or duke have got thru our histories. So the wheel will turn to the 4star players that maybe do not hit the NBA metrics or 3 stars that really need to be developed. Point being it will be harder to just out talent weaker opponents, going to have to out coach them by developing players better, that is what Roy did best.

 

[uncfootball-]

Why is that amazing? Do you assume that excellent players often make excellent coaches? Did Dean Smith star at KU or ride the end of the bench? Did Roy get 25 major college scholarship offers or walk on to the JV team? Did Rat-Face have a shot at making the NBA? How long was Bob Knight's NBA career?

Who was the bigger college basketball star of this year's National Championship Game, Mark Few or Scott Drew? Mick Cronin grew up in Cincinnati: did he play for Cincinnati or Xavier or Ohio State?

It's not just basketball. Name the greatest baseball managers, and then see how many of them were top level MLB players.

Football? Nick Saban was nothing as a player at then hapless Kent St. Bill Belichick played football and lacrosse at Wesleyan U and was better as lacrosse.

It is beyond naive to assume that the UNC basketball program can produce enough former players who can become great coaches who can keep the program at the top of the sport.

Only saying over the past 25 years it seems that at least one person would have graduated from UNC and become a good college/nba coach. Not saying Hall of Fame coach.. just a solid coach that would be 95% of people's choice to take over for Roy.

 

[RobertNC]

Stackhouse almost guarantees NBA talent to sign to UNC. Those types of players sometimes don't translate well to college ball but Calipari has done well at Kentucky with it. The potential downside is Stack's coaching experience and attitude - if he airs grievances publically it will annoy the fanbase, but I don't think his Vandy statements were that bad, overall. Feeding talent into the NBA will probably give him some leverage to stick around for a while unless he gets caught up in a scandal.

Wes would probably do fine recruiting-wise since UNC is a top destination, but he might not get enough time to make it through the first difficult seasons before getting fired.

Hubert appears to tick off more boxes than both as far as what the school wants, but if he can't maintain UNC as a top ranked team, the school might be stuck with him and the team being in a rut for a long time.
Hiring 'outside the family' can bring in a top coach right now, but it would be an expensive gamble since they'd probably want a huge contract.

 

[ProfessorOwl]

If we are going to stay within the family, Wes is the way to go. I don't even see how that is debatable.

The upside here is really massive too. He's under 40 and breathes Carolina Blue. He could be the coach for the next 3 decades. But of course, there are obvious risks like the fact that he has no experience coaching a program even somewhat comparable to UNC.

To me, the debate is Wes vs outsider candidates.

 

[al would]

Did you hear Roy's comments on why decided to retire. He said his coaching was not getting through to the players. You can be tough as hell, but some kids don't respond to that type of stuff in this day and age. Roy does not use text and that's not good in this day and age. He is terrible with social media.

I get it steat .. but it doesn't change my perspective. If you think you can explain or coach d1 bball via text then we will disagree. I made a post a month or 2 ago about Bacot wearing headphones during PRE-GAME shoot around .. totally disconnected from his surroundings and his team. In my opinion the problem with most d1 college "prima donnas" is they feel as they're owed something just by choosing a school .. aka Kessler. I'm not a star athlete. I started working a job when I was in high school in 1974 and put my self through a BS Degree by working a full time JOB and still working today .
The people coming up through college athletics thinking the world owes them something and they are in for a rude wake up cause this "pro" gravy train is done and it will be because of political involvement and stupidity. Bank it.

 

[Quest4Seven]

-Former player - Lot of difference between being a player and a coach, in fact, UNC history, our 2 legendary coaches, were akin to blue steel when they played.

-NBA all star - I assume you agree, Dean and Roy were not just great coaches but legendary, both HOF coaches. I forget what NBA teams they played for, please remind me?

-Grew up in NC - So did I, does that qualify me for UNC head coach, doubt it...

-has a multitude of AAU connections - Yeah, we all have friends that maybe are not the cream of the crop, hope he showers after he visits with that den of thieves. AAU is a scummy universe full of back room deal makers, handlers, and street agents.

-G League Coach of the year and league champion (you can scoff but reality is he coached in a league of players playing for money) - That would be great if our position was that of head coach of a G-League team but it isn't. Coaching the pro game is much different than what a college coach does.

Avoiding my points as usual. I ask again, how does Hubert or Wes’s experience make them more qualified than Stackhouse’s experience? Is being the head coach of a G league team not better experience than coaching at UNC-G or the UNC JV team? Is coaching in the SEC not better experience than coaching a JV team or a mid major?

 

[dtodd4475]

They will be closer to UNC-G level players than G-league. The 5 stars and now many 4stars are leaving the college game sooner and sooner, I mean DJ Stewart just entered the draft, Sharpe just entered the draft knowing if he is drafted 1st round it will be late? But the G-League players, mostly are assigned by a NBA team and those that are not are just glad to get the shot. Make no mistake, the G players were either excellent college players or players that have big time potential that should have matured in college another season or 2 before looking to skip to the league.

So very few if any of the level recruits that we, Ky, or duke have got thru our histories. So the wheel will turn to the 4star players that maybe do not hit the NBA metrics or 3 stars that really need to be developed. Point being it will be harder to just out talent weaker opponents, going to have to out coach them by developing players better, that is what Roy did best.

I'm a huge fan of Dean and Roy, but c'mon they got the cream of the crop. The VERY MOST cream of the crop to develop. If we are closer to UNC-G then the G-league we will not be competitive in the ACC.

 

[Spaceytoyz]

UNC-G could have beat last years Tar Heel team, fact

 

[Quest4Seven]

I'm a huge fan of Dean and Roy, but c'mon they got the cream of the crop. The VERY MOST cream of the crop to develop. If we are closer to UNC-G then the G-league we will not be competitive in the ACC.

dont even entertain this clown

Pinson
Meeks
Brice
Hicks
Paige
Berry
Tokoto
Maye
Kenny Williams
Bullock

basically every legitimate starter weve had over the last several years that wasnt a lottery pick like Coby or Cole Anthony has done stints in the G League. They arent in the G league because they left early theyre in the G league because they are highly talented players that are either undersized or not athletic enough to be on active NBA rosters

 

[dtodd4475]

UNC-G could have beat last years Tar Heel team, fact

Okay, maybe on a given day, they would be at the very bottom of the ACC.

 

[CrazyHeel]

Break records? The WCC is Gonzaga and the others. BYU is decent on occasion. There will always be a footnote to Mark Few that will say "coached in a very weak conference." Even winning it all this season will have that disclaimer.

ETA- It's not as hard to be undefeated when you play Saint Mary, Loyola, Pepperdine, and Pacific most of the time.

That's exactly my point. He's averaging right at 30 wins a year. He could easily end up with the most all time wins. Probably 2 or 3 natty's. But, he wouldn't have done it playing the best competition night in and night out.

 

[strummingram]

That's exactly my point. He's averaging right at 30 wins a year. He could easily end up with the most all time wins. Probably 2 or 3 natty's. But, he wouldn't have done it playing the best competition night in and night out.

Just seems a little like being a 7-footer in high school. It's too easy.

 

[DSouthr]

Avoiding my points as usual. I ask again, how does Hubert or Wes’s experience make them more qualified than Stackhouse’s experience? Is being the head coach of a G league team not better experience than coaching at UNC-G or the UNC JV team? Is coaching in the SEC not better experience than coaching a JV team or a mid major?

I literally took your points point by point and addressed each one? You may not have liked what I said but you can not say I avoided a single point you tried to make.

No, coaching in the G is not like coaching in the college game, off the top college coaches have to recruit, they have to stay within NCAA ever changing guidelines, they have to try to keep their kids going to class and maintain minimum grades, they have to develop talent and teach skills, the pro game already assumes you have fundamentals that college coach can not assume. VERY different situations college to pro...

 

[DSouthr]

That's exactly my point. He's averaging right at 30 wins a year. He could easily end up with the most all time wins. Probably 2 or 3 natty's. But, he wouldn't have done it playing the best competition night in and night out.

Actually, I would suggest it is harder to march deep in the NCAAT if you are from a weaker conference because the stronger conferences tend to produce battle tested teams used to going against really good players more so than the smaller conference would allow. I respect what Mark Few has been able to do.

 

[dtodd4475]

That's exactly my point. He's averaging right at 30 wins a year. He could easily end up with the most all time wins. Probably 2 or 3 natty's. But, he wouldn't have done it playing the best competition night in and night out.

if he has 2 or 3 natty's or numerous final 4's, success when playing in the tournament of the top teams each year,, I think the other point is moot. Beat them, have more success, if Gonzaga continues to be elite year in and year out in the tourney that would speak for itself.

 

[superstar57]

Big stars are not coming to college. The high school kid from Michigan will make the G league must watch T.V.

Guys like Wes and Hubert cannot be underrated. They have been around great coaching. They just don't make the splash I would hope for. Looks like allot of great possibilities out there.

I don't think he would get the Job, but I like Stackhouse. I know how he the Kinston community and Stackhouse developed young basketball players into NBA stars. They coach hard and with what I am guessing will happen to the college game, we will need a bad--- as a coach.

Few, Brad, Shaka, and a host of others provide the splash, but has UNC ever really about making a splash. Roy coming home was a good story, but it took some years.

 

[Quest4Seven]

I literally took your points point by point and addressed each one? You may not have liked what I said but you can not say I avoided a single point you tried to make.

No, coaching in the G is not like coaching in the college game, off the top college coaches have to recruit, they have to stay within NCAA ever changing guidelines, they have to try to keep their kids going to class and maintain minimum grades, they have to develop talent and teach skills, the pro game already assumes you have fundamentals that college coach can not assume. VERY different situations college to pro...

you very definitively said Stackhouse is less qualified than Matt was, and less than Hubert and Wes are. Based on what? Tell me...which one has been a head coach in a Power 5 conference? Hubert is by far the least qualified and he would probably still be on College Gameday if Roy didnt ask him to come here

 

[Lewis&Miller]

Im sure someone has made this point before but how can Bubba choose any current assistant, i.e. Hubert. Roy resigned because he no longer felt he was the right man for the job. The reason for Roy to come to this conclusion is he could no longer get his players to execute his teachings/instructions. Huberts only coaching experience is his limited years under this system. This is all he knows about structuring and coaching college basketball.

It is an irrational decision for an AD of Bubba Cunninghams stature to choose Hubert as the next coach. Bubba is too wise and responsible to conclude that Hubert could execute Roys system at a superior level than his mentor. Roy couldn't do it but Hubert can. That is abandoning logic.

 

[Sk1310]

According to C.L Brown, the interviews so far have been Stack, Robinson, Wes, Hubert and King Rice

 

[DonBrown]

Most of these, I'd guess, are courtesy interviews.

 

[KinstonNC]

-Former player - Lot of difference between being a player and a coach, in fact, UNC history, our 2 legendary coaches, were akin to blue steel when they played.

-NBA all star - I assume you agree, Dean and Roy were not just great coaches but legendary, both HOF coaches. I forget what NBA teams they played for, please remind me?

-Grew up in NC - So did I, does that qualify me for UNC head coach, doubt it...

-has a multitude of AAU connections - Yeah, we all have friends that maybe are not the cream of the crop, hope he showers after he visits with that den of thieves. AAU is a scummy universe full of back room deal makers, handlers, and street agents.

-G League Coach of the year and league champion (you can scoff but reality is he coached in a league of players playing for money) - That would be great if our position was that of head coach of a G-League team but it isn't. Coaching the pro game is much different than what a college coach does.

Discredit everything?

 

[ACokeForRoy]

I really hope not..

I really don't understand the "dumping" on Hubert Davis. First, most of Roy's assistants didn't really show a voice on the sideline during the game because Roy owned the show.. that was his style. That was the same for all of his assistants so that statement doesn't hold water. Second, Hubert sat next to Roy for 8/9 seasons in a role that was to be groomed to be his successor. You don't think Hubert took in all of that knowledge that Roy was purposely giving him knowing that he wanted Hubert next in line? Hubert is no dummy. Sitting next to Roy for that amount of time and playing 14 years in the league you don't think this guy is worthy of an opportunity at his alma mater? If you don't think so, then Roy was not worthy of his opportunity at Kansas, period! They both had similar trajectories. Except Roy didn't play in the league but that's neither here nor there. Since when have we become so high and mighty to dismiss sitting next to a HOF coach and being groomed as his successor for almost a decade? You think he's just sitting on the bench tallying defensive rebounds and assist? I think not. Roy was bringing Hubert along the same path that Dean did for him. All the way down to coaching the JV as Roy did under Dean. This is a no brainer to me. I like Wes for sure but sitting under Roy as the heir apparent for almost a decade trumps lack of HC experience to me. To overlook this and give the job to Wes would be a slap in the face to Hubert in my opinion. And I like Wes and what he's done for sure. Someone in a previous post said "I just don't see a head coach when I see Hubert". Well WTF does a HC look like? Mark Few isn't coming. Jay Wright isn't coming. Stop talking about Nate Oates. It's down to Hubert and Wes and I believe Hubert deserves this opportunity. Sure he will need to pad his bench with good assistants and someone that is a good recruiter (although Hubert was the lead recruiter on several of our players in the past). If he doesn't get the job done in 2-3 years.. fine.. Wes is next in line. Don't disrespect Hubert with this "lack of HC experience crap".

Happy Monday.

 

[ACokeForRoy]

first 2 years as a head coach...

Coach K: 31-24

Coach Cal: 27-32

Dean Smith: 23-15

Bill Self: 16-38

Jay Wright: 19-36

yes lets pile on Jerry Stackhouse though for not setting the world on fire at f***ing Vanderbilt his first 2 years. Laughable

Exactly. It almost seems as if...... never mind... not opening that up on a Monday.

 

[Kadyn930]

Is he no longer on Wes's staff?

He is on the women’s staff at UNC.

 

[Spaceytoyz]

Okay, maybe on a given day, they would be at the very bottom of the ACC.

Wes Goes t the Dance with that talent what could he do with 4/5 star talent?

 

[WoadBlue]

Im sure someone has made this point before but how can Bubba choose any current assistant, i.e. Hubert. Roy resigned because he no longer felt he was the right man for the job. The reason for Roy to come to this conclusion is he could no longer get his players to execute his teachings/instructions. Huberts only coaching experience is his limited years under this system. This is all he knows about structuring and coaching college basketball.

It is an irrational decision for an AD of Bubba Cunninghams stature to choose Hubert as the next coach. Bubba is too wise and responsible to conclude that Hubert could execute Roys system at a superior level than his mentor. Roy couldn't do it but Hubert can. That is abandoning logic.

This is an age of wild emotion and illogic that easily becomes anti-logic. It is an age that is unhistorical and acts on the Canon Rebel slogan Image is Everything. It is an age in which learning is rarely deeper than a few cliches and their corollaries or figuring out how to amass money and power. It is an age of nearly unbelievable self-indulgence. I want my MTV and I want it now!

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

Because the greats thrive in competition and have the desire to face it. He can stay at Gonzaga and break all kinds of records beating up on that weak ass conference, or he can come run with the bigs dogs.

His conference is full of creampuffs, but he does play serious teams during regular seasons, as well as in the NCAA tournaments.

If I counted right Few is 36-20 in NCAA tournament play through Saturday's game.

Not close to Roy's 57-17 record over that same time period, but then who is? K is 49-17 during that same stretch. Bill Self is 48-20. Cal is 49-15*

If you look at NCAA performance over the last 5 tournaments you find...

Few 17-4 (which will be 18-4 or 17-5 after tonight)
Roy 14-4
Self 12-5
Bennett 10-4
K 9-4
Calipari 9-4

Roy still looks very good, but Few edges him out.

So, yeah, Few's conference inflates his overall W-L percentage (83.6%) but his postseason record holds up against comparison with other top coaches.

[*Not quite the same span; Cal was in the NBA for 1 of the years, so I used his last season of college coaching before that. Nor did I remove the games that were taken away because of scandals.]

 

[Lewis&Miller]

This is an age of wild emotion and illogic that easily becomes anti-logic. It is an age that is unhistorical and acts on the Canon Rebel slogan Image is Everything. It is an age in which learning is rarely deeper than a few cliches and their corollaries or figuring out how to amass money and power. It is an age of nearly unbelievable self-indulgence. I want my MTV and I want it now!

Hubert may be the guy in the end but only if Stevens, Wright, or Few are not interested in the job. Apparently, Wright is already out. Bubba gets the credit for convincing Mack to come back and resurrect the football program(with wild success). This decision is much more important. His first choice is not Hubert but we may get there very soon.

 

[RP12]

This is an age of wild emotion and illogic that easily becomes anti-logic. It is an age that is unhistorical and acts on the Canon Rebel slogan Image is Everything. It is an age in which learning is rarely deeper than a few cliches and their corollaries or figuring out how to amass money and power. It is an age of nearly unbelievable self-indulgence. I want my MTV and I want it now!

No one has a more entitled sense for immediate gratification than many of the “fans” posting about this search

 

[Tarheel75]

Looks like Hubert will be the next coach, at any rate, it will be done this week from what I've heard. So....TIFWIW.

 

[Travis2262]

Looks like Hubert will be the next coach, at any rate, it will be done this week from what I've heard. So....TIFWIW.

Hubert is absolutely not my preference but hey if he's the next coach I'm behind him 100%. Time to get back to winning championships.

 

[blazers]

This is an age of wild emotion and illogic that easily becomes anti-logic. It is an age that is unhistorical and acts on the Canon Rebel slogan Image is Everything. It is an age in which learning is rarely deeper than a few cliches and their corollaries or figuring out how to amass money and power. It is an age of nearly unbelievable self-indulgence. I want my MTV and I want it now!

And chicks for free.

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

Hubert is absolutely not my preference but hey if he's the next coach I'm behind him 100%. Time to get back to winning championships.

Heck, I'll be happy if we can get back to beating Clemson and Georgia Tech.

Roy and his teams gave us many great memories. But letting Clemson break the home win streak on his watch really smarts.

 

[Mr-Robinson]

someone have big shoes to fill. i have strong hopes of immediately success. good luck to next hc

who down wit stackhouse?

 

[2DDIMOND]

someone have big shoes to fill. i have strong hopes of immediately success. good luck to next hc

To quote John Winger from “Stripes”, “I wanna party with you cowboy”. Free entertainment.

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

Point being it will be harder to just out talent weaker opponents, going to have to out coach them by developing players better, that is what Roy did best.

Yep. It's almost like Roy chose to leave at the worst time. The game was poised to come to him, but he didn't wait for it.

 

[AncientTarheel]

I really don't understand the "dumping" on Hubert Davis. First, most of Roy's assistants didn't really show a voice on the sideline during the game because Roy owned the show.. that was his style. That was the same for all of his assistants so that statement doesn't hold water. Second, Hubert sat next to Roy for 8/9 seasons in a role that was to be groomed to be his successor. You don't think Hubert took in all of that knowledge that Roy was purposely giving him knowing that he wanted Hubert next in line? Hubert is no dummy. Sitting next to Roy for that amount of time and playing 14 years in the league you don't think this guy is worthy of an opportunity at his alma mater? If you don't think so, then Roy was not worthy of his opportunity at Kansas, period! They both had similar trajectories. Except Roy didn't play in the league but that's neither here nor there. Since when have we become so high and mighty to dismiss sitting next to a HOF coach and being groomed as his successor for almost a decade? You think he's just sitting on the bench tallying defensive rebounds and assist? I think not. Roy was bringing Hubert along the same path that Dean did for him. All the way down to coaching the JV as Roy did under Dean. This is a no brainer to me. I like Wes for sure but sitting under Roy as the heir apparent for almost a decade trumps lack of HC experience to me. To overlook this and give the job to Wes would be a slap in the face to Hubert in my opinion. And I like Wes and what he's done for sure. Someone in a previous post said "I just don't see a head coach when I see Hubert". Well WTF does a HC look like? Mark Few isn't coming. Jay Wright isn't coming. Stop talking about Nate Oates. It's down to Hubert and Wes and I believe Hubert deserves this opportunity. Sure he will need to pad his bench with good assistants and someone that is a good recruiter (although Hubert was the lead recruiter on several of our players in the past). If he doesn't get the job done in 2-3 years.. fine.. Wes is next in line. Don't disrespect Hubert with this "lack of HC experience crap".

Happy Monday.

I’m still bothered by the lack of head coaching experience, but there is a video of an interview with Hubert that convinced me that he would bring forward the best off the court qualities of Dean and Roy. He really is impressive in this regard. If he’s hired, he’ll need time.

 

[mjrocks23]

It is clear to me that nepotism rules in this coaching search in terms of looking at realistic candidates. I am afraid Bubba Cunningham is going to make the same mistake Dick Baddour made in 2000. If Davis is hired, then the Heels settled for a poor choice rather than getting the best coach they could get. Be prepared for another coaching search within 5 years.

 

[strummingram]

If it's Davis, then you'd better get used to being at the bottom of the ACC until... well... who knows when. No new Jerseys in the rafters for a while.

Oh well. Maybe the football team will help soothe the pain. It's a shame that it could have been avoided.

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

We need a couple of good players from the portal. Anyone disagree?

One or 2 big men. Maybe a backup PG. Maybe a SF. A lights-out shooter at almost any position, if we can get one. Not saying we need all of those, but a couple across those categories could make the difference between a team that struggles and a team that does well.

So . . . which of the plausible coaches would do best in the portal? Put another way, if we don't land one of our dream candidates - Few, Stevens, the reincarnation of John Wooden - which of the rest will get us off to a good start by filling the holes with top talent?

I'd think Hubert or Stack. Both have experience and links with the NBA, and the guys we'd be aiming for probably want a coach who can get them ready for the NBA.

I'm assuming Hubert has the confidence of our existing players. If not, why would he even be considered?

Both Hubert and Wes are likely to teach a style very similar to Roy's. At least similar enough so that the transition won't be too hard on returning players. Stack came up in Dean's version of that system, but he's played longer with other coaches, so who knows what his style looks like? Could be similar; could be very different.

Candidate	Portal	Continuity	Winning record
Hubert	✔	✔	-
Stack	✔	?	-
Wes	?	✔	✔