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Roy deliberately took less than what he was worth due to his love for the university. And he was making $4.1M. From what I hear, Stevens is making less than that currently ($3.7M).

It's not unreasonable to think UNC would pay enough to get Stevens, if he were interested.

Brad signed a 6 year contract last year for 22M. If Stevens is the choice, UNC will have to come up with money to buy-out the contract of Stevens which, at minimum would be 10M and that would be a compromise from the Boston organization. Signing either Wes or Hubert would be around 2M.

Bubba and the Pres will present their choice to the Board and they will want to know the input of Roy which will be a major factor. There no person better than Roy to determine the best coach for UNC.

There are already other schools poaching UNC current players through back channels. Also, you have several UNC assistant coaches that may be looking for jobs if a coach from the outside comes in.

My bet is Hubert or Wes. We will see within the next 5-7 days.
 
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The problem? This is the problem.


Really? That's the problem? Pls allow me to present the problem to you from my perspective- two times! But before I do so let me say this, Jerry simply stated his opinion about a topic that many choose to avoid or simply don't have the courage to deal with directly. We don't know what JS may have experienced or witnessed to cause him to feel this way. So, if you are butt hurt because he voiced his opinion, that's on you!

Unfortunately, people of color experience racism more often then, apparently, you could ever know. This experience is not a one-off! And for you to help push the narrative "he is playing the race card" without knowing if what he is saying is true or not true is part of the Problem (1).

I've seen this phrase dangling around in the media, online, and in social groups (such as you have done here) more times than I chose to remember. Not saying this is you sir, but IMO people who have the privilege to discount their race altogether often are using this phrase to derail conversations with the intent to RECENTER their own experiences and viewpoints. But no matter how hard they may try history can’t be touched.

I want go much further than that because this platform is simply not the place to dive deep. But I will say this, instead of being so quick to 'copy and paste' media clips about Stackhouse without first understanding the root cause of the issue, at the very least, folks should consider the totality of his body of work. Hell, the man is a UNC Alum!! He bleeds Carolina!!! If UNC is not willing to do just that, nobody will! And that's a Problem (2).
 
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If we hire Hubert, then Carolina just got their Mike Davis and Kevin Ollie to lead them into mediocrity like IU and UCONN which will put even more strain on the next coach to get us out of it.

I really hope Bubba isn’t this shortsighted to hire Hubert just because he’s an alum and bench coach for Roy. I mean, he’s the same guy that couldn’t help get this years team motivated, sat on the bench lifeless every game and was the shooting coach for a terrible shooting team.
 
Really? That's the problem? Pls allow me to present the problem to you from my perspective- two times! But before I do so let me say this, Jerry simply stated his opinion about a topic that many choose to avoid or simply don't have the courage to deal with directly. We don't know what JS may have experienced or witnessed to cause him to feel this way. So, if you are butt hurt because he voiced his opinion, that's on you!

Unfortunately, people of color experience racism more often then, apparently, you could ever know. This experience is not a one-off! And for you to help push the narrative "he is playing the race card" without knowing if what he is saying is true or not true is part of the Problem (1).

I've seen this phrase dangling around in the media, online, and in social groups (such as you have done here) more times than I chose to remember. Not saying this is you sir, but IMO people who have the privilege to discount their race altogether often are using this phrase to derail conversations with the intent to RECENTER their own experiences and viewpoints. But no matter how hard they may try history can’t be touched.

I want go much further than that because this platform is simply not the place to dive deep. But I will say this, instead of being so quick to 'copy and paste' media clips about Stackhouse without first understanding the root cause of the issue, at the very least, folks should consider the totality of his body of work. Hell, the man is a UNC Alum!! He bleeds Carolina!!! If UNC is not willing to do just that, nobody will! And that's a Problem (2).
Bro, he basically called 74M people racists. That’s unacceptable. Opinions are one thing when it comes to today’s social issues, politics, etc., but insinuating people are racists, let alone 74M, without any evidence other than the fact that they’re conservative, is not right imo.
 
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So is it safe to say at this point (after reading multiple posts) that if Stackhouse doesn’t get the job then KinstonNC will post it is because of racism? He’s already mentioned “the system” and hinted that any of the old posters wanting Wes (or anyone not Stackhouse or Hubert) was derogatory. Geez.

I don’t care what color our coach is, I want the best hire. Phil Ford had a great shot at being HC at one point, but his own choices killed that.

I also do not like blanket comments calling people or groups of people anything. Painting with a broad brush is why our country is divided.
 
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I’m 37 and some of my earliest memories of UNC basketball were of King Rice and Hubert Davis. Hubert was my favorite player and I still remember how sad I was when we lost in the NCAA tournament his senior year and how crushed he looked as he and Eric Montross were walking off the court and into the tunnel. He truly was a great player and I’m happy for all he’s done for the university since.

All that said, I’m not a fan of giving the job to Hubert (or really any UNC guy that isn’t ready to take it on). We seem to forget that when you hire within family, and it doesn’t work out, we then need to fire one of our family members. From all accounts, firing Matt Doherty crushed him. Getting fired would never be fun but getting fired from a place you considered a second home would be worse. I don’t think we’d be doing any of them a favor by giving them the job if they can’t handle it. The expectations of winning will be there and if they can’t win enough then it doesn’t matter if they were part of the UNC family or not. It makes them worse off in the long run.

I hope that nepotism and nostalgia don’t lead us to a bad decision.
 
Really? That's the problem? Pls allow me to present the problem to you from my perspective- two times! But before I do so let me say this, Jerry simply stated his opinion about a topic that many choose to avoid or simply don't have the courage to deal with directly. We don't know what JS may have experienced or witnessed to cause him to feel this way. So, if you are butt hurt because he voiced his opinion, that's on you!

Unfortunately, people of color experience racism more often then, apparently, you could ever know. This experience is not a one-off! And for you to help push the narrative "he is playing the race card" without knowing if what he is saying is true or not true is part of the Problem (1).

I've seen this phrase dangling around in the media, online, and in social groups (such as you have done here) more times than I chose to remember. Not saying this is you sir, but IMO people who have the privilege to discount their race altogether often are using this phrase to derail conversations with the intent to RECENTER their own experiences and viewpoints. But no matter how hard they may try history can’t be touched.

I want go much further than that because this platform is simply not the place to dive deep. But I will say this, instead of being so quick to 'copy and paste' media clips about Stackhouse without first understanding the root cause of the issue, at the very least, folks should consider the totality of his body of work. Hell, the man is a UNC Alum!! He bleeds Carolina!!! If UNC is not willing to do just that, nobody will! And that's a Problem (2).

People of color experience so much racism these some days that some people have to make it up. Weird.

So when I said that Roy was talent dependent or refused to use timeouts because he was hardheaded it was because I was racist?
 
People of color experience so much racism these some days that some people have to make it up. Weird.

So when I said that Roy was talent dependent or refused to use timeouts because he was hardheaded it was because I was racist?

Because racism is the reason a minority doesn't get what they want. It has to be racism. No way it could be anything else. Ever. It's racism and I can't be wrong because if you say I'm wrong, its because you are a racist.
 
I didnt even see what Jerry said as playing the race card

i think his point was reporters were acting like he wasnt qualified to be a head college basketball coach even though he spent 20 years playing it at the highest level and played and coached under a whos-who of coaching legends meanwhile 74 million people felt a reality tv host was qualified to be President of the United States.

At least thats what I think he was getting at

I’ll admit I laughed at the idea of Stackhouse being the coach at first but the more I think about it the more I think it makes sense. He checks off every box

-Former player
-NBA all star
-Grew up in NC
-has a multitude of AAU connections
-G League Coach of the year and league champion (you can scoff but reality is he coached in a league of players playing for money)

the guy has played for Dean Smith, Doug Collins, Don Nelson, Rick Carlisle, Larry Brown among others. Whether college basketball traditionalists want to admit or not, the game has changed. While the NFL seems to adopt philosophies from the college game, the college game is adopting philosophies from the NBA. Defensive rotations, offenses that switch the defense into mismatches you can exploit, spreading the floor. I think people incorrectly draw conclusions about the NBA and the quality because of teams like the Nets that have stacked their rosters and play Iso ball, but I encourage some of you to watch teams like the Jazz, Heat, Raptors that do not have the talent level of teams like the Lakers, Celtics, Clippers or Nets yet can go toe to toe because their defensive schemes and ball movement on offense are so perfectly executed

I think Stackhouse is a very solid in game coach who right now unfortunately is fighting an uphill battle. Let him go to UNC where he will get players by name alone and let him coach them up.
 
So is it safe to say at this point (after reading multiple posts) that if Stackhouse doesn’t get the job then KinstonNC will post it is because of racism?

Now exactly what response are you enticing by asking such an open-ended question? Hopefully the older posters (that you are attempting to conjure up) will agree that is not a good look. Besides, all I did was add commentary to post(s) were it appears that folks are determined to push the narrative 'he's playing the race card', and they are doing so by inserting the same old clip over and over and over again. I'm sure a lot of folks here have a prob with that and I'm one.

I've said multiple times that I like Wes Miller, and that I thought he was a good coach-go check. I even mention several other coaches who I thought would be a better pick then Jerry (all of which are white). However, the prob with that group is I don't think any of them will be available- again, go check.

If what you say is true, I like you don't give a rats arsh about the color of the coach. Period. Jerry Stackhouse just happens to be from the same small town that I'm from; same area, same high school, same Kings Barbeque.

Instead of making pointless accusations towards one another lets somehow find common ground to agree to disagree...and may the best candidate win.

Come 'on now let’s have some fun...and don't be JeALous!! Go Jerry!!!
 
Now exactly what response are you enticing by asking such an open-ended question? Hopefully the older posters (that you are attempting to conjure up) will agree that is not a good look. Besides, all I did was add commentary to post(s) were it appears that folks are determined to push the narrative 'he's playing the race card', and they are doing so by inserting the same old clip over and over and over again. I'm sure a lot of folks here have a prob with that and I'm one.

I've said multiple times that I like Wes Miller, and that I thought he was a good coach-go check. I even mention several other coaches who I thought would be a better pick then Jerry (all of which are white). However, the prob with that group is I don't think any of them will be available- again, go check.

If what you say is true, I like you don't give a rats arsh about the color of the coach. Period. Jerry Stackhouse just happens to be from the same small town that I'm from; same area, same high school, same Kings Barbeque.

Instead of making pointless accusations towards one another lets somehow find common ground to agree to disagree...and may the best candidate win.

Come 'on now let’s have some fun...and don't be JeALous!! Go Jerry!!!

You’ve pushed Stackhouse and mentioned “the system” if it weren’t Hubert or Stackhouse. That sends the message that if they don’t get it then race is the reason.

We should not be talking about someone getting it or not getting it because of race. We should want the best choice. Many don’t agree that is Stackhouse and maybe you wouldn’t either if you weren’t from Kinston.

I want the best fit for a job that doesn’t (and shouldn’t) open up much. That’s all I care about.
 
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I didnt even see what Jerry said as playing the race card

i think his point was reporters were acting like he wasnt qualified to be a head college basketball coach even though he spent 20 years playing it at the highest level and played and coached under a whos-who of coaching legends meanwhile 74 million people felt a reality tv host was qualified to be President of the United States.

At least thats what I think he was getting at

I’ll admit I laughed at the idea of Stackhouse being the coach at first but the more I think about it the more I think it makes sense. He checks off every box

-Former player
-NBA all star
-Grew up in NC
-has a multitude of AAU connections
-G League Coach of the year and league champion (you can scoff but reality is he coached in a league of players playing for money)

the guy has played for Dean Smith, Doug Collins, Don Nelson, Rick Carlisle, Larry Brown among others. Whether college basketball traditionalists want to admit or not, the game has changed. While the NFL seems to adopt philosophies from the college game, the college game is adopting philosophies from the NBA. Defensive rotations, offenses that switch the defense into mismatches you can exploit, spreading the floor. I think people incorrectly draw conclusions about the NBA and the quality because of teams like the Nets that have stacked their rosters and play Iso ball, but I encourage some of you to watch teams like the Jazz, Heat, Raptors that do not have the talent level of teams like the Lakers, Celtics, Clippers or Nets yet can go toe to toe because their defensive schemes and ball movement on offense are so perfectly executed

I think Stackhouse is a very solid in game coach who right now unfortunately is fighting an uphill battle. Let him go to UNC where he will get players by name alone and let him coach them up.


Very well said sir.
 
You’ve pushed Stackhouse and mentioned “the system” if it weren’t Hubert or Stackhouse. That sends then message that if they don’t get it then race is the reason.

We should not be talking about someone getting it or not getting it because of race. We should want the best choice. Many don’t agree that is Stackhouse and maybe you wouldn’t either if you weren’t from Kinston.

I want the best fit for a job that doesn’t (and shouldn’t) open up much. That’s all I care about.


Sir If that's all you got from what I posted...well...I don't know what to say to you.

But please show that same energy towards post(s) that are only meant to degrade someone's character with nothing factual to back it up; inserting the same clip over and over again until it sticks is meant to do just that.

Same energy pls!
 
Do you see Drew in that tier? If not, then I'd say that Chris Holtmann and Eric Musselman should be at the top of the list.
Both those guys look good. Holtmann has a longer record of being good, but Musselman's record also looks quite good. Musselman has fewer years of head coaching than Wes, but he's always won at least 20 games.

I don't know enough about them to know if they are good people, but I wouldn't be upset if one of them took over for Roy.
 
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Reading many of these comments reminds me of an old George Carlin bit about how people react to others issues or complaints. His quote was... "you ever notice how other people's "stuff" is "shit", but your "shit" is important stuff."

We all can be guilty at times, the people on here and elsewhere who seem to constantly complain and moan about what they see as problems, while "pointing out" how these other people always complain and moan nowadays never cease to amaze me.
 
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I didnt even see what Jerry said as playing the race card

i think his point was reporters were acting like he wasnt qualified to be a head college basketball coach even though he spent 20 years playing it at the highest level and played and coached under a whos-who of coaching legends meanwhile 74 million people felt a reality tv host was qualified to be President of the United States.

At least thats what I think he was getting at

I’ll admit I laughed at the idea of Stackhouse being the coach at first but the more I think about it the more I think it makes sense. He checks off every box

-Former player
-NBA all star
-Grew up in NC
-has a multitude of AAU connections
-G League Coach of the year and league champion (you can scoff but reality is he coached in a league of players playing for money)

the guy has played for Dean Smith, Doug Collins, Don Nelson, Rick Carlisle, Larry Brown among others. Whether college basketball traditionalists want to admit or not, the game has changed. While the NFL seems to adopt philosophies from the college game, the college game is adopting philosophies from the NBA. Defensive rotations, offenses that switch the defense into mismatches you can exploit, spreading the floor. I think people incorrectly draw conclusions about the NBA and the quality because of teams like the Nets that have stacked their rosters and play Iso ball, but I encourage some of you to watch teams like the Jazz, Heat, Raptors that do not have the talent level of teams like the Lakers, Celtics, Clippers or Nets yet can go toe to toe because their defensive schemes and ball movement on offense are so perfectly executed

I think Stackhouse is a very solid in game coach who right now unfortunately is fighting an uphill battle. Let him go to UNC where he will get players by name alone and let him coach them up.

I want to throw this in. Scottie Pippen Jr was a 3 star recruit, and he averaged 20 pts, and 5 assists this past year. Sounds like player development to me
 
All of the "in the family" candidates do not have great past winning experience as a HC. Wes has only made 2 NCAA tournaments in 10 years and has won at a 58% clip for those 10 years at a mid major. Stack probably does have the most in that area from his G league time.
 
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there have been several players go on record in the G League that said Stackhouse was the best player developer and in game coach theyve ever had

Yup. I have seen that also. He would only leave the NBA for 2 schools, UNC and Vandy (because the former AD was a UNC grad). Stack would be a great hire imo. Everything you stated in your other post, I agree with.
 
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Sir If that's all you got from what I posted...well...I don't know what to say to you.

But please show that same energy towards post(s) that are only meant to degrade someone's character with nothing factual to back it up; inserting the same clip over and over again until it sticks is meant to do just that.

Same energy pls!

I haven’t read every post, but you keep pushing Stackhouse as the clear answer. I have no problem with home town homerism, but you didn’t say that until well into a 14 page thread.

The college and pro game are different. Stack has had a lot of success in the pro game, but so far that hasn’t translated into college. I don’t care about the NBA, I care about UNC basketball. I want Stevens (college success, don’t follow the Celtics), Few (obvious) or Wes (averaged 25 wins the last 5 years and is as much like Roy is there is).

I prefer Wes because he’s more likely to keep a UNC family staff.
 
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I didnt even see what Jerry said as playing the race card

i think his point was reporters were acting like he wasnt qualified to be a head college basketball coach even though he spent 20 years playing it at the highest level and played and coached under a whos-who of coaching legends meanwhile 74 million people felt a reality tv host was qualified to be President of the United States.

At least thats what I think he was getting at

I’ll admit I laughed at the idea of Stackhouse being the coach at first but the more I think about it the more I think it makes sense. He checks off every box

-Former player
-NBA all star
-Grew up in NC
-has a multitude of AAU connections
-G League Coach of the year and league champion (you can scoff but reality is he coached in a league of players playing for money)

the guy has played for Dean Smith, Doug Collins, Don Nelson, Rick Carlisle, Larry Brown among others. Whether college basketball traditionalists want to admit or not, the game has changed. While the NFL seems to adopt philosophies from the college game, the college game is adopting philosophies from the NBA. Defensive rotations, offenses that switch the defense into mismatches you can exploit, spreading the floor. I think people incorrectly draw conclusions about the NBA and the quality because of teams like the Nets that have stacked their rosters and play Iso ball, but I encourage some of you to watch teams like the Jazz, Heat, Raptors that do not have the talent level of teams like the Lakers, Celtics, Clippers or Nets yet can go toe to toe because their defensive schemes and ball movement on offense are so perfectly executed

I think Stackhouse is a very solid in game coach who right now unfortunately is fighting an uphill battle. Let him go to UNC where he will get players by name alone and let him coach them up.
Your post makes Stack sound like a very strong option. Thanks for the info.
 
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Yup. I have seen that also. He would only leave the NBA for 2 schools, UNC and Vandy (because the former AD was a UNC grad). Stack would be a great hire imo. Everything you stated in your other post, I agree with.
If Jerry was winning the media would not be on him.
 
but you keep pushing Stackhouse the clear answer
But that's what I'm supposed to do Coach...I'm his hometown hommie! :)

But seriously I think Stackhouse is the right man for this particular era. There are many reasons I feel this way, but the one in particular is his AAU ties that UNC so desperately needs to help bridge the gap with other generational players. The UNC name alone is no longer getting it done. Stack can help with that...and plus he can coach.

Now come'on Coach, don't be jeALous!! Wes Miller will get his shot-he's freaking awesome!!!

Go Jerry!
 
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Really? That's the problem? Pls allow me to present the problem to you from my perspective- two times! But before I do so let me say this, Jerry simply stated his opinion about a topic that many choose to avoid or simply don't have the courage to deal with directly. We don't know what JS may have experienced or witnessed to cause him to feel this way. So, if you are butt hurt because he voiced his opinion, that's on you!

Unfortunately, people of color experience racism more often then, apparently, you could ever know. This experience is not a one-off! And for you to help push the narrative "he is playing the race card" without knowing if what he is saying is true or not true is part of the Problem (1).

I've seen this phrase dangling around in the media, online, and in social groups (such as you have done here) more times than I chose to remember. Not saying this is you sir, but IMO people who have the privilege to discount their race altogether often are using this phrase to derail conversations with the intent to RECENTER their own experiences and viewpoints. But no matter how hard they may try history can’t be touched.

I want go much further than that because this platform is simply not the place to dive deep. But I will say this, instead of being so quick to 'copy and paste' media clips about Stackhouse without first understanding the root cause of the issue, at the very least, folks should consider the totality of his body of work. Hell, the man is a UNC Alum!! He bleeds Carolina!!! If UNC is not willing to do just that, nobody will! And that's a Problem (2).
If Jerry would win then the media would not be on him.
 
If Stevens is interested does he quit his job with Boston ASAP so he can be announced at Carolina this week to get on the job with everything going on with the Transfer Portal and finalizing the roster for next year??

right, that is the main problem with Stevens. he would either have to quit or be fired NOW in order to start recruiting. also, he turned down Indiana .. he's from Indiana and his dad went there.
 
It’s silly to assume we know anything about how the program would go if Hubert is hired. He could very well turn out to be the GOAT for all any of us know. What bothers me is the idea that you could get the most prestigious job in college sports without proving you’re really damn good at said job. The main knock against him is that nobody knows what to expect because he lacks experience.

And are we really going to criticize him for sitting on the bench and not being fired up? You think Roy wants a second coach stalking the sideline and yelling at players? Know your role. Thats the head coach’s job.

I don’t think he’s the best man for the job but some of the criticisms and assumptions are over the top.
 
I don't see Mark Few coming to UNC.. He would have to deal with boosters and a totally different recruiting zone in the East coast. He knows how to assemble college talent at Gonzaga and make deep tourney runs on a regular basis, but he might not be able to replicate it at UNC who will want NBA talent. He has the perfect setup for success where he's at and it will be hard to lure him away IMHO

Few's last 5 teams vs Roy's last 5 teams, it's a toss up if they play 10 games under pressure ... and the Zags would have dominated us the last 2 seasons. i agree that Gonzaga is in a weak conference, but he has still recruited and developed NBA caliber talent. IMO there would be zero drop in recruiting if Few takes over - and besides, it's no secret that Coach Rob does most of the recruiting anyway.
 
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All of the "in the family" candidates do not have great past winning experience as a HC. Wes has only made 2 NCAA tournaments in 10 years and has won at a 58% clip for those 10 years at a mid major. Stack probably does have the most in that area from his G league time.

Can you find the stats on Wes' overall record and winning percentages? Those would be helpful no matter what conference you coach in, if you have talent that is below or just equal to the mean overall in a conference, it will give you an idea of coaching acumen.

I do not hide the fact that I would like to see Wes as the next coach, but will support whoever is chosen.
 
Brad signed a 6 year contract last year for 22M. If Stevens is the choice, UNC will have to come up with money to buy-out the contract of Stevens which, at minimum would be 10M and that would be a compromise from the Boston organization. Signing either Wes or Hubert would be around 2M.

Bubba and the Pres will present their choice to the Board and they will want to know the input of Roy which will be a major factor. There no person better than Roy to determine the best coach for UNC.

There are already other schools poaching UNC current players through back channels. Also, you have several UNC assistant coaches that may be looking for jobs if a coach from the outside comes in.

My bet is Hubert or Wes. We will see within the next 5-7 days.
What about Hubert as interim HC, with the clear understanding that the job is his if he does well?

Is something like that an option?

If we can't shake loose one of the star coaches right away, that would seem like a good option. If Hubert pans out, we have our coach. If not, some of the other guys being mentioned have a year to sort out their feeling and affairs when the call comes again.

Nor do I think that's unfair to Hubert. It's his job to lose. Sure, that's pressure, but he knows exactly what he has to do.
 
It’s silly to assume we know anything about how the program would go if Hubert is hired. He could very well turn out to be the GOAT for all any of us know. What bothers me is the idea that you could get the most prestigious job in college sports without proving you’re really damn good at said job. The main knock against him is that nobody knows what to expect because he lacks experience.

And are we really going to criticize him for sitting on the bench and not being fired up? You think Roy wants a second coach stalking the sideline and yelling at players? Know your role. Thats the head coach’s job.

I don’t think he’s the best man for the job but some of the criticisms and assumptions are over the top.
That's a fair call. It would simply take me, personally, seeing some serious results-- probably in short order-- to have any confidence in Hubert Davis.
 
I think its pretty sweet that Roy managed to beat K to the punch in retiring. I mean its just a matter of time now before he leaves Hansbrough Gymnasium, right? I honestly wouldn't be surprised at all if he's not there next season. Second thought, that rat will probably try to squeeze out 1 more year to not look like a copycat.

Just having fun with Coach K y'all! Much respect to the the two legends, they both did their dag'on thang! :)
 
What about Hubert as interim HC, with the clear understanding that the job is his if he does well?

Is something like that an option?

If we can't shake loose one of the star coaches right away, that would seem like a good option. If Hubert pans out, we have our coach. If not, some of the other guys being mentioned have a year to sort out their feeling and affairs when the call comes again.

Nor do I think that's unfair to Hubert. It's his job to lose. Sure, that's pressure, but he knows exactly what he has to do.
This is UNC.

I don't think even the schools that are perennially mediocre would operate on that kind of "hope for the best" idea.
 
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