Unfortunately Cam hasn't let us know as much this year. I'd like to hear his take on the situation if he could stay in a presser for long enough.
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Unfortunately Cam hasn't let us know as much this year. I'd like to hear his take on the situation if he could stay in a presser for long enough.
I appreciate the stats, but it's not an apples-to-apples comparison. To compare the team as it stands today to those of the John Fox days is not a solid argument.
Okay, but I can just as easily look at the last three years and say that 7-8-1 season was a fluke. They got off to a slow start, kicked into another gear, had a very strong finish and it carried over to 15-1. So over the past three years, you had 12-4, a team that was better than their 7-8-1 record would indicate, and a damn good 15-1 team. That tells me they were on their way to sustaining long-term success. That is, until Gettleman decided that we were okay with a bunch of rookies, and this is what you get as a result.
This is way worse than I had feared. The Panthers have gone from having everything clicking to nothing going right in the space of one offseason. What a disappointment so far.
Dak is the starter. No way in hell they can bring Romo back. Over the past 5 weeks, you just witnessed a Tom Brady/Drew Bledsoe takeover.
I don't know why the whole Dak/Romo thing is such a big deal. It's going to be Dak's team regardless of what the move is. If they decide to put Romo back in, he'll get hurt again right away, and it's right back over to Dak. Why all the fuss?
Bingo. The O-line can't protect and the D-line gets no pressure. There are other issues, but it starts with the guys up front.
But, and I know this is going to get all the Cam lovers are riled up, I don't think Cam is a guy that teammates want to play with and for. I'm sure many of y'all will poast some articles or videos of Panther teammates talking about how "fun" Cam is and how much they like him and whatnot. But that's not what I'm talking about. He doesn't seem to command the team and I think it's partially because of his improvising style of play. O-lineman like when they know what the QB is up to. They like when they know exactly where he'll be and for how long he'll be there. They like a QB that does things exactly the way the coach drew it up. Cam isn't the type of player. He does amazing shit sometimes and has all the ability in the world. But he isn't a traditional drop back NFL QB that wins games directing an offense in the traditional sense. I think teammates become disconnected when you have a guy like Cam that "will take matters into his own hands at times". Plus, you have to admit that he does things that are questionable. From his showy attitude on the field to riding a Segway through downtown traffic after getting a concussion, to the way he handles press conferences - it paints the team in a negative light at times and I'm sure some guys resent that. To go from NFC champs to 1-5 the next season is pretty remarkable...in a bad way.
Who would have thought the Vikings would be the team to beat in the NFC? I love the way they play too. No sheen, no gimmicks, just line up and hit people in the mouth.
That might actually be the better play. Put Romo in now, let him re-re-re-re-re-re-re break his collarbone, and then Boom! no more QB controversy, it's back to Dak being the only option.
There should be no controversy as it is. What's the controversy? You have a fragile, slightly better than average QB who's long in the tooth versus a rookie that has shown all the promise one could expect , has handled the limelight well and your team is 5-1. Romo's time in Dallas is d-o-n-e. They should trade him while they can maybe get something for him. The Browns, Dolphins and Rams would all have a look.
the short answer is almost $20 this year vs about $600,000...the org needs to know now and so does romo...if he retires after june 1, the cowboys save $10 million...it's clear to me they can win with either with that line, dez, and zeke.
Couldn't disagree more. Cam does not get enough credit for his ability to pass in the pocket. That's the one aspect of his game that improved the most over the past couple of years, and he's gotten pretty damn good at it, considering where he was when he first came into the league. Most of his runs are designed runs, so it's not like the team goes in there not knowing he's going to run. Yeah, he'll take off and get the yardage himself when he feels like he has to, but I believe the team trusts him enough to know that it's warranted when he does choose to do that. He leads this offense, and it clearly shows. Not sure where you're coming from here.
Where I'm coming from is 1-5. You can blame the Oline, the Dline, the secondary and everyone in between. But QBs are the face of any franchise. And Cam has to take the heat. Now, if Cam was completing more than 57% of his passes, had better than an 8-6 TD to INT ratio and wasn't in the bottom 5 starting QBs in QB rating, then maybe he would deserve a break. Throw in questionable decision making (already mentioned) and his surly demeanor with the media and there's good reason to put a lot of this on him.
When Cam got the concussion, he was attempting to score on a run. I don't recall whether it was designed or not. But let's say it was. Why did he take the big hit? Because he let up going into the end zone. He either did that for showboating purposes or he had a total brainfart and forgot there were 11 guys on the field that wanted to take his head off. Either way, it was stupid. And it cost him and the team. Teammates don't like watching that happen - especially giant Olineman whose biggest responsibility is to bust their ass day in and day out to protect the QB that just went and got his bell rung because he wasn't paying attention. And then the whole Segway thing...c'mon man. I'm just an outsider looking in and I have no stake in seeing the Panthers win or lose. But I can tell you that his teammates don't respect him in the same way Brady's do. Or Brees' do. Or Rodgers' do. And for the record, I think a lot of the same things about Ben Roethlisberger.
When you're 1-5, I know everyone is going to look at the QB, I get that. Despite that, Cam Newton is not and should not be the primary concern for the Panthers right now. Has he performed all that well this year? Not to his standards, no, but it's not all on him. The O-line is not protecting him as well as they need to, and it's affecting him. I'm not exclusively blaming them either though. Cam is holding the ball too long, but his issues can easily be fixed. It's hard to fix rookie corners, a DL that can't get to the QB and an OL with injuries and no depth.
One thing I will say about Cam is that he's a different dude, and I'm not disputing that. The concussion could have easily been avoided and was dumb, no question. I know it, his coaches and teammates know it, and I'm sure he knows it. He ain't perfect. The segway thing is a non-issue. Who cares? The man plays football for a living and you want to get on for not wearing a helmet on a freaking segway? Come on, it's not like he was on a motorcycle. I'm willing to let that one go. Sure he was on the concussion protocol, but he played football, what, just two days later? It's not a big deal.
He's not a traditional QB by no means, no doubt about that. However, he's gotten pretty damn good at doing the things traditional QB's do, and he's very good at being what he is, and that's a dominant offensive weapon. The 1-5 start doesn't change that, at least not for me.
One thing I will say about Cam is that he's a different dude, and I'm not disputing that. The concussion could have easily been avoided and was dumb, no question. I know it, his coaches and teammates know it, and I'm sure he knows it. He ain't perfect. The segway thing is a non-issue. Who cares? The man plays football for a living and you want to get on for not wearing a helmet on a freaking segway? Come on, it's not like he was on a motorcycle. I'm willing to let that one go. Sure he was on the concussion protocol, but he played football, what, just two days later? It's not a big deal.
He's not a traditional QB by no means, no doubt about that. However, he's gotten pretty damn good at doing the things traditional QB's do, and he's very good at being what he is, and that's a dominant offensive weapon. The 1-5 start doesn't change that, at least not for me.
Completely disagree with you on Cam. Let's ask Ted Ginn who he likes to play for...he's had plenty of experience with other, more traditional systems.
Simply put, there is a lot of blame to go around. I really think something is going on behind the scenes that is affecting this team. The team as a whole seems to not have the same drive. Cam has definitely not looked like the reigning MVP. I think we simply accept this is not the year and look towards next year. They are missing much of the veterans from last year and it shows.
I don't think you can give up on this year yet. This team simply has too much talent on that roster. Even with a terrible 1st quarter yesterday, the offense damn near put up 40 points. They dropped 46 on SF after a terrible first half in that game too - in which they were actually losing at one point.
But when you know that you have to score every time you touch the ball b/c the defense can't stop anyone, that's deflating. Just listen to the comments today -- it is plain as day that the coaching staff did not buy into the personnel moves made this offseason. I'm not sure how long Bradberry is out for, but I think we'll see a stabilization when he gets back...he was showing a lot of positive signs before getting hurt. Put him and McClain in the backfield, keep Sanchez and Worley on the sideline where they belong...they are nowhere near NFL-ready, and it shows. And Kony f'ing Ealy....PLEASE show up.
But when you know that you have to score every time you touch the ball b/c the defense can't stop anyone, that's deflating. Just listen to the comments today -- it is plain as day that the coaching staff did not buy into the personnel moves made this offseason. I'm not sure how long Bradberry is out for, but I think we'll see a stabilization when he gets back...he was showing a lot of positive signs before getting hurt. Put him and McClain in the backfield, keep Sanchez and Worley on the sideline where they belong...they are nowhere near NFL-ready, and it shows. And Kony f'ing Ealy....PLEASE show up.
I just went back 5 years as a reference point. If you go all the way back to the first season, the average winning percentage of the franchise isn't even .500. If the browns go 15-1 next year are you going to declare that they are back?
Sure, but three years is a ridiculously small sample size to get the historical performance of a franchise. My 5 years was probably too small as well so that's why I put the overall winning percentage of the franchise in there as well.
There is no reason to assume that they should be some kind of juggernaut because of last year. They aren't the Patriots.
Well, even if you look at those five years, there's still progress. The record is getting progressively better every year, except for the 7-8-1 season, which I've already stated my case on. Looking at that, I still find it easier to call 7-8-1 the fluke year over last season.
I never assumed the Panthers were going to be a juggernaut after last season, but considering how far they've come, there's no reason they shouldn't be competing for it again this year. While it's still mathematically possible the Panthers can rebound and be respectable again, it's clear that Gettleman's screw ups are the main reason the Panthers took a huge stumble from last year and what they've built up to this point.
Yep, not only does Carolina not have a winning history like them, they also don't cheat like them.
Yep, not only does Carolina not have a winning history like them, they also don't cheat like them.
I don't blame New England. They are doing whatever they are allowed to get away with. Hell, kudos to them. The NFL is to blame on everything Patriots-cheating-related. All boils down to money.
We're keeping the streak alive... unfortunately
96: 12-4; 97: 7-9
03: 11-5; 04: 7-9
05: 11-5; 06: 8-8
08: 12-4; 09: 8-8
13: 12-4; 14: 7-8-1
15: 15-1; 16: tbd, but not looking worth a crap
That being said, the Panthers are 2.5 games out of a wildcard spot, with 10 games to go. It's a LOOOOOOONG shot, but it's not impossible (KC came back from 1-5 last year to make the playoffs).
Let's re-group during the bye week, and come out POUNDING!
96: 12-4; 97: 7-9
03: 11-5; 04: 7-9
05: 11-5; 06: 8-8
08: 12-4; 09: 8-8
13: 12-4; 14: 7-8-1
15: 15-1; 16: tbd, but not looking worth a crap
That being said, the Panthers are 2.5 games out of a wildcard spot, with 10 games to go. It's a LOOOOOOONG shot, but it's not impossible (KC came back from 1-5 last year to make the playoffs).
Let's re-group during the bye week, and come out POUNDING!
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This pretty much sums up the Panthers woes...
http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2016/10/17/nfl-week-6-carolina-panthers-problems
http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2016/10/17/nfl-week-6-carolina-panthers-problems
As bad as the season has gone, I still believe this team challenges for the division and gets into the playoffs. Every loss -- as horrific as they have looked -- has come with the Panthers within one score in the 4th quarter.
If they stop beating themselves, they'll go on a long winning streak. There's too much talent there.
If they stop beating themselves, they'll go on a long winning streak. There's too much talent there.
Until they can get to the quarterback, break up a pass, and stop giving up big plays, I have zero confidence in the Panthers stringing together wins.
Do you think the injuries as causing some of the issues? I think it has much to do with some of the vets not being on the team anymore. To me, its hard to predict what the turn out will be for the remainder of the year. But yes, I think we go at least to 500 for the season with the talent alone. I would like to see them trade for some beef soon as well. If pass rush is what we need, go get it.
Yes. Bradberry, as a rookie, is the best option in the secondary...and having him out hurt is a big deficit. It really starts up front though. It's hard to scoff at the offense "too much" being that they are having to win shootouts right now, and fighting special teams blunders, but I feel like the majority of the issues have been self-inflicted and are correctible. But they have to win NOW.
Pretty much. It articulates well how teams have exposed our weaknesses, especially blitzing and our offensive line.
Unfortunately , Panthers football includes letting the opposing team back in it in the second half.
Dang Packers could've helped the Panthers cause...
With 9 games left, Panthers are 2 games back of the wildcard, and 2.5 back of Atlanta. Still not out of it, but can't slip up... next week, at the Rams.
With 9 games left, Panthers are 2 games back of the wildcard, and 2.5 back of Atlanta. Still not out of it, but can't slip up... next week, at the Rams.
Can't afford to lose period.
Agreed -- they have a 1-game margin of error. I think 10-6 is the worst they can be to get in...let the rest of the league fall as they may.
The frustrating part to me though is -- where in the HELL has the DL been this year? If they can manhandle Arizona the way they did on both sides of the ball, that almost tells me that they have not been giving 100% this year. That is pretty frustrating.
Someone threw a dildo on the field during the Patriots destruction of the Bills yesterday.
