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That won't be enough to satisfy you and others that feel the same way about our recruiting, simply having a top recruit commit won't do it. He'll have to commit and then play well in his freshman year and then be a lottery pick. That's what needs to happen. The commit won't do anything.

Personally, I'm not of like mind. I'm perfectly content with one 5 star per year and a bunch of 4 star guys.
I don't really care about the star-level, I just want one of our guys to become a STUD in the NBA. That would help our recruiting more than anything. It doesn't exactly help (from a recruiting standpoint) that our two best NBA Heels right now are the two quietest, least-flashy guys you'll find in pro sports in Barnes and Green.
 
But that's the problem. It feels like that's not even a given right now.

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I think our 17 class will be pretty solid. I think PJ Washington is very interested in us and I'm sure some other big men will shake out throughout the rest of the summer and into the fall. I think we have a real shot at Nick Weatherspoon (who I love).

I also think our recruiting struggles are a bit overstated. Over the weekend, I was just looking around and there has only been 1 year since Roy's return that we have signed 2 or more players in the top 10. Some have said it's the NCAA mess and others have said it's Roy's style and his loyalty to upperclassmen that have "hurt" our recruiting. And I think those things have played a part. But let's examine this further.

2004 - one signee - Marv at #8.

2005 - Hansbrough is the only 5 star (ranked #8) and then three 4 star recruits in Green (#25), Ginyard (#36) and Frasor (#38). We also signed 2 star Mike Copeland (#436)

2006 - Our big year - Roy's best class (from a rankings standpoint). Three 5 stars in Wright (#3), Lawson (#7) and Ellington (#9) and then a couple 4 star guys in Thompson (#43) and Stepheson (#48) and Will Graves (#84).

2007 - No one signed - swung and missed on K. Love.

2008 - Two 5 star signees in Ed Davis (#8) and Zeller (#16) along with one 4 star in LDII (#46) and a 3 star in Watts (#256).

2009 - One 5 star in Henson (#5) and four 4 star guys in Strickland (#27), McDonald (#43) and the Wears (#42 and #44).

2010 - Barnes (#1) and Bullock (#15) were both 5 star prospects and Marshall was a 4 star (#26)

2011 - We had two 5 star prospects in JMM (#6) and Hairston (#13) and then we had a 3 star in Dez Hubert (#124) and then two not ranked guys in Simmons and Stillman.

2012 - Zero 5 stars. All four signees were 4 star prospects - Paige (#31), Johnson (#45), Joel James (#60) and Tokoto (#67).

2013 - Hicks (#16) is the only 5 star prospect along with 4 star Meeks (#58) and a 3 star in Britt (#121).

2014 - Two 5 star prospects in Jackson (#9) and Pinson (#15) and one 4 star in Berry (#30).

2015 - Kenny Williams was a 4 star (#97) and Maye was a 3 star (#156).

2016 - Bradley is a 5 star (#26) and Woods (#48) and Robinson (#60) are 4 stars .

2017 - Felton is a 4 star now but has been a 5 star and could be there again by the time he enrolls.

So, if you average the rankings of each class, this is what you get:

2004 - 1 signed - average of #8
2005 - 5 signed although for these purposes I'm not factoring in the Mike Copelands - so 4 signed at an average of #26
2006 - 6 signed at an average of #31
2007 - none signed
2008 - 4 signed (I am counting watts because he was a player Roy depended on to some degree) at an average of #81 (#23 without Watts factored in)
2009 - 5 signed for an average of #32
2010 - 3 signed with an average of #14
2011 - 3 signed with an average of #47 (not factoring Stillman or Simmons but I am factoring Hubert)
2012 - 4 signed for an average of #51
2013 - 3 signed for an average of #65
2014 - 3 signed for an average of #18
2015 - 2 signed for an average of #126
2016 - 3 signed for an average of #44

So what does all this mean? To me it means that people are overstating our recruiting misses of the last several years. There's really no difference in the recruiting pre-academic scandal and post. I think our fans overreacting to recruiting misses is simply a product of duke and UK signing classes that have never really been seen before as a result of maximizing the OAD era. Roy never recruited in a fashion that suits the OAD player. And that was ok before the OAD era. But since, only K and Cal have assembled those ridiculous classes with regularity of multiple top 10-15 players.

So while our recruiting may not be what you want it to be, please stop with the "I wish we could get back to the level before the academic scandal." Because we are there. we never left there (except for 2015, of course).
 
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I don't really care about the star-level, I just want one of our guys to become a STUD in the NBA. That would help our recruiting more than anything. It doesn't exactly help (from a recruiting standpoint) that our two best NBA Heels right now are the two quietest, least-flashy guys you'll find in pro sports in Barnes and Green.
This is the biggest issue in my opinion. UNC fans use to make fun of duke not really having a huge NBA presence while UNC had Jordan, Carter, Jamison, Stack, Wallace, etc. playing at the same time. Duke doesn't have that type of list, but it's a decent list. It's easier to sell a kid on their NBA future if you can point to an NBA player that's a current difference maker. I'm hoping now that Barnes isn't buried behind so many people that he can become that type of player. Not sure if he has the type of mentality needed to become that all star caliber player though.
 
How in the hell did y'all Eastern North Carolinians let Ingram go to Duke.....? I can't imagine that decision was very popular in Kinston. I can't imagine there's many Duke fans out that way. I especially can't imagine there's many Duke alums out that way.
there's plenty of Walmart dook fans in eastern N.C. , everydody loves a bandwagon. I always ask them what possible connection could they have to dook? I often tell them if they were caught on campus without a ticket stub they would probably be escorted off the premises.
 
there's plenty of Walmart dook fans in eastern N.C. , everydody loves a bandwagon. I always ask them what possible connection could they have to dook? I often tell them if they were caught on campus without a ticket stub they would probably be escorted off the premises.
Oh absolutely true. I get Duke's national appeal, but I don't understand how any native North Carolinian (like a multi-generational one, not the son of a transplant) could pull for the Blue Devils. Duke University doesn't. give. a. shit. about the state of North Carolina. If it was economically and financially feasible, Duke would absolutely relocate to the Northeast.
 
I don't really care about the star-level, I just want one of our guys to become a STUD in the NBA. That would help our recruiting more than anything. It doesn't exactly help (from a recruiting standpoint) that our two best NBA Heels right now are the two quietest, least-flashy guys you'll find in pro sports in Barnes and Green.

I think the stud in the NBA is more important, but I do care about the star level. Or well, not really the star level per se, more just the ranking (as in top 5). I realize that rankings aren't the be all end all of how good a player is going to be, but it's a reasonable indication.

I would take a Kyrie Irving type guy in a heart beat. By that, I mean a very highly ranked recruit that comes in - only plays 11 games (all non-meaningful) and then leaves and becomes the #1 pick and a stud in the NBA. Irving is helping out duke so much more by being a former #1 overall pick and NBA stud than he ever did as a player for them. If we could land someone like that, even if we got essentially no contribution from them as a player, our program would be remarkably better off just due to image.
 
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Oh absolutely true. I get Duke's national appeal, but I don't understand how any native North Carolinian (like a multi-generational one, not the son of a transplant) could pull for the Blue Devils. Duke University doesn't. give. a. shit. about the state of North Carolina. If it was economically and financially feasible, Duke would absolutely relocate to the Northeast.
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Oh absolutely true. I get Duke's national appeal, but I don't understand how any native North Carolinian (like a multi-generational one, not the son of a transplant) could pull for the Blue Devils. Duke University doesn't. give. a. shit. about the state of North Carolina. If it was economically and financially feasible, Duke would absolutely relocate to the Northeast.
I think you may be underestimating the power of dook's med school, law school, and, particularly, seminary. While there are probably not a lot of doctors in eastern NC that attended dook, there used to be more, and, also, some folks have an affinity for "the dooks hospital" because either they or a relative may have been treated there. Similarly, while there may not be a ton of lawyers in eastern NC that went to dook, I have known several and I don't get out much. Finally, the Methodist Church is pretty established in eastern NC and quite a few of the clergy either went or have connections to the seminary. I grew up with folks who were dook fans during the Bubas era and continued even though they have no direct connection to dook. I respect that if they have always been dook fans. The ones that really irritate me are the Walmart/bandwagon types that have become more prevalent and the "Oh, I pull for ECU in football, but I'm a dook basketball fan" types. Hope this explains it a little.
 
I would take a Kyrie Irving type guy in a heart beat. By that, I mean a very highly ranked recruit that comes in - only plays 11 games (all non-meaningful) and then leaves and becomes the #1 pick and a stud in the NBA. Irving is helping out duke so much more by being a former #1 overall pick and NBA stud than he ever did as a player for them. If we could land someone like that, even if we got essentially no contribution from them as a player, our program would be remarkably better off just due to image.

Perception is everything. Obviously duke did little to nothing for Irving's development. But I guess that doesn't matter. It looks that way.
 
I think you may be underestimating the power of dook's med school, law school, and, particularly, seminary. While there are probably not a lot of doctors in eastern NC that attended dook, there used to be more, and, also, some folks have an affinity for "the dooks hospital" because either they or a relative may have been treated there. Similarly, while there may not be a ton of lawyers in eastern NC that went to dook, I have known several and I don't get out much. Finally, the Methodist Church is pretty established in eastern NC and quite a few of the clergy either went or have connections to the seminary. I grew up with folks who were dook fans during the Bubas era and continued even though they have no direct connection to dook. I respect that if they have always been dook fans. The ones that really irritate me are the Walmart/bandwagon types that have become more prevalent and the "Oh, I pull for ECU in football, but I'm a dook basketball fan" types. Hope this explains it a little.
Totally totally forgot about the seminary school. Thanks for reminding me. That's certainly an outlier compared to the rest of the university.
 
I don't really care about the star-level, I just want one of our guys to become a STUD in the NBA. That would help our recruiting more than anything. It doesn't exactly help (from a recruiting standpoint) that our two best NBA Heels right now are the two quietest, least-flashy guys you'll find in pro sports in Barnes and Green.
Yep. It says a lot about their good character but doesn't mean diddly squat to the youngsters. They couldn't care less about good character. In fact, bad character seems to be a positive factor in this era.
 
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It just occurred to me that @Archer2 has posted on the OOTB basketball thread. I think we should call the OOTB Council of Elders together to decide if he should be named an honorary member of the OOTB clique. ;)
 
It just occurred to me that @Archer2 has posted on the OOTB basketball thread. I think we should call the OOTB Council of Elders together to decide if he should be named an honorary member of the OOTB clique. ;)

Exclusion is the most hurtful word in the dictionary . . so, theres my vote.

Scott Archer is an exceptional Tar Heel fan.
 
Exclusion is the most hurtful word in the dictionary . . so, theres my vote.

Scott Archer is an exceptional Tar Heel fan.

I have no problem with Archer poasting here, in fact the more the merrier. He has some pretty good viewpoints too. And he's no doubt a Heel fan to his core.

But if he tries any of his fan police bullshit on this thread then I say he's out. Also, if he goes back to Raider and bitches about us there, he's out.

Don't get me wrong, I don't care one bit if he wants to take a swing at one of the OOTB regulars in this thread. What happens at the Bada Bing stays at the Bada Bin and omerta is in effect here.

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But if he tries any of his fan police bullshit on this thread then I say he's out. Also, if he goes back to Raider and bitches about us there, he's out.

Don't get me wrong, I don't care one bit if he wants to take a swing at one of the OOTB regulars in this thread. What happens at the Bada Bing stays at the Bada Bing and omerta is in effect here.

Seconded.
 
You should come over and play too. I know @UNC71-00 and @UNC '92 stop by there from time to time. But I could sure use some familiar faces over there. If you come, you too should borrow an avatar from a DI regular for your poasting. I always say, "when in Rome..."

I'd probably have to borrow skysdad's avatar. Me and him seem to see eye to eye on a lot of stuff... o_O
 
You should come over and play too. I know @UNC71-00 and @UNC '92 stop by there from time to time. But I could sure use some familiar faces over there. If you come, you too should borrow an avatar from a DI regular for your poasting. I always say, "when in Rome..."
Um... didn't I get called a traitor for posting over there before? Now all of a sudden you want me over there? I've been lurking some and liked a few posts. Haven't posted that much though.
 
Um... didn't I get called a traitor for posting over there before? Now all of a sudden you want me over there? I've been lurking some and liked a few posts. Haven't posted that much though.

No. You weren't a traitor for poasting there. You were a traitor for what you were poasting there.

C'mon over and be prepared to ruffle some feathers.
 
You should come over and play too. I know @UNC71-00 and @UNC '92 stop by there from time to time. But I could sure use some familiar faces over there. If you come, you too should borrow an avatar from a DI regular for your poasting. I always say, "when in Rome..."
I tried. But the more I read, the more I wept for humanity. It made me depressed and I retreated into a shell of my former self. After trying to forget it all with a three week smack binge I woke up under an overpass in New Jersey and checked myself into a methadone clinic. With their professional help and by the grace of His Noodly Appendage I believe I have returned to something resembling sanity, although there always seems to be a dark shadow lurking at the edges of my consciousness. Please don't make me go back.
 
@Dattier created a thread a few days ago on OOTB. He has always seemed like a decent poster. I think he and @strummingram would get along pretty well.

I used to love Dat. He was easily my favorite guy there. His wordsmithing often put me in a trance and when that guy wanted to go after another poaster, it was on like Donkey Kong. They booted him for several years and he just came back within the last year or so. He seems to have softened and isn't as much fun anymore.
 
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