The problem is the election was not questionable in any way..
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Nope nothing to see here. The election was held just as all others were before it, exactly the same.
Says the guy who’s mush brain rivals that of Dementia Joe.
NBC Bay Area affiliate's report on Paul Pelosi attack shares key details with retracted 'Today' report
A local NBC affiliate reported several of the same claims surrounding the attack on Paul Pelosi that NBC News retracted from its "Today" report earlier this month.
This is perfectly reasonable too. Nothing to see here.
Ah, yes a classic deflection from your own hypocrisy.
And what am I to expect from a pro MAGA Tik Tok account with the hashtag #Pelosiforprison? Objective analysis? Or did a miss the part where several officers were severely harmed, including one death? Or the videos/images of those people forcing their way in the building? Or the Senators and Reps fleeing the chamber as several nutjobs forced their way in shouting "Nancy"?
How about this? Quit justifying or minimizing what happening. Let go of your hatred for the left for one second and ask yourself why the hell were those people in the Capitol Building. Why on earth did they feel the need to show up and protest at all? Or try and stop a certification of electors.
Answer that for me. I'd love to hear it.
I am truly curious about this belief. It is my understanding that the "insurrection" started and the Capitol was breached prior to even the end of Trump's speech. Is this not correct? What did Trump say that day that "played a part in that riot"? Yes, he held a rally. Yes, (regardless of whether they had legs or not) they were making legal arguments about what the States and the Constitution allowed electors and/or Pence to do as far as certifying the election. Is that what you mean?
Despite two years of investigations and the mini-series known as the J6 committee, everyone is still waiting for the smoking gun of orangeman collusion and instigation of the event. I get that the guy is a narcissitic douchebag and understand why people would not personally care for the guy, but I do wonder about what he really did to cause a "coup". He pissed and moaned a bunch. Still does. Had security been appropriate based upon what we now know was known to those in charge prior to the event, J6 never happens. All we'd be left with is a big third grader stomping his feet about losing.
Apparently, evidenced by DOJ video footage, because they were let in.
The left’s obsession with January 6th is embarrassing. The hyperbole and exaggeration is typical of frantic liberals.
Please quote Trump telling those folks to go over and tear shit up and beat up cops. Why did those cops let those folks in? How badly were they threatening those cops? And yeah AOC fled for her life......And let me know also how you felt about the billions of dollars worth of property destroyed(federal and state property too) by the rioters during that year. Schumer telling the SC they were coming for them, Maxine Waters telling people to fight them. Was all that ok? Or was J6 the only thing were heard and saw that year?
I think one thing we all need to do is stop lumping everyone together into one of two baskets. Just like all people who voted for trump (as opposed to their other choice), they shouldn't be characterized as trump supporters. There were a bunch of law breaking trouble makers there that day, Q's, etc. But, I think the vast majority of people on the grounds and even inside the building were just people there for the rally doing nothing more than milling around checking things out about what was going on. That latter group are not insurrectionists, etc. Technically were they trespassing? Possibly, but it's hard to even argue that position when any signage is removed and the doors are open and attended by police.
Trump actually said "be peaceful" but the left refuses to acknowledge that.
Ah, yes the usual logical fallacies.
Answer my questions first, and I'll answer yours. I'm not doing this dumb runaround game with you.
Trump supporters are people who preferred Trump over Biden. Biden supporters are people who preferred Biden over Trump. Really pretty simple.
I know two different families/groups that attended the rally that day. Both did not proceed up to the Capitol because one group wanted to go eat somewhere and the other had kids and simply had run out of time for their outing. Both are very thankful, in hindsight, that they didn't walk to the Capitol and expose themselves to potential issues. Pure dumb luck on their parts because both have told me that had they walked up there and witnessed tons of people walking in and out, they likely would have gone in the Capitol. And it wouldn't have been because they had any intention of hanging Mike Pence or confronting AOC in a completely separate building.
Don't just show up in here asking great questions and making perfect sense. That's frowned upon here.
You see, this is where your limited ability to understand that these scenarios are not a dichotomy that poses a challenge. There are nuances and subtleties involved. One can be fully against Biden's stances and only mostly against Trump's. Both would be negatives and one would have "preferred" a better choice of candidates. But, it doesn't mean they have a preference or even support that person. It just means they are picking the less offensive. That's not a preference and surely doesn't constitute supporting someone.
It's because you cannot quote Trump telling people to do those things. Just admit it. I have no issue with people going to jail if they went in and tore shit up. Just like I'd like to see all those rioters go to jail for what they did that year. I'd also really like to know what the plants J6 were up to. It's documented that they were present. Just admit Trump didn't tell those people to do that, but I'm sure you don't have the "balls" to tell the truth.
Trump's policies more closely resemble my wants. Biden's and the left's just suck. I can stomach a mean tweet as long as your policy aligns with my beliefs.
Nope. You’re doing the dumb runaround thing all by yourself.
Life was better for more people under Trump, even our little weirdo friend here. Undeniable fact.
Gotdamn this guy can't even say "i'm succinct" without blathering.
What does this sentence have to do with your initial question which is about whether Trump bears responsibility for the assault on the cap bldg?
Who is the "we" in "we all" of your first sentence?
What's your ask, less persecution of the people that were just milling and there to support the election denial and "big lie" stuff despite not actually doing the insurrection parts? I have a bro-in-law who fits in this category. I don't think of him as treasonous, just gullible and warped by Fox and right-wing media. He isn't being persecuted... just viewed as tribalistic, misinformed and trying to elect people that are actually not good for anything other than culture-war related crap.
Maybe you could quote Trump telling supporters to ransack and tear up shit at the capital?
And your boy Obama started and perpetuated the culture wars.
Two things can be true at the same time:
1) some cops were a) lazy, b) pro-maga, c) self-preserving or any of the above and let trespassers into the bldg.
2) A mob violently broke into the building while attacking cops, hurting well over 100 cops.
The first doesn't mean we should ignore the second. The prosecutors and defense attorneys have the same footage everyone else might have. So if someone is on on trial for charges of treason or trespassing or whatever - the vids will implicate or clear them. So far over 450 people have pled guilty.
1) some cops were a) lazy, b) pro-maga, c) self-preserving or any of the above and let trespassers into the bldg.
2) A mob violently broke into the building while attacking cops, hurting well over 100 cops.
The first doesn't mean we should ignore the second. The prosecutors and defense attorneys have the same footage everyone else might have. So if someone is on on trial for charges of treason or trespassing or whatever - the vids will implicate or clear them. So far over 450 people have pled guilty.
"We fight like hell. And if you don't fight like hell, you're not going to have a country anymore," he said.
when you say blather, blather must mean you got your ass kicked in an argument so you have no other comeback. I'll allow it..
Also,
Two things can be true at the same time:
1) a mob assaulted the cap. It was provoked by the "big lie" and ideas for thwarting the transfer of power.
2) the fbi, secret service, and a bunch of others knew enough to prevent it.
The second doesn't excuse the first.
Two things can be true at the same time:
1) a mob assaulted the cap. It was provoked by the "big lie" and ideas for thwarting the transfer of power.
2) the fbi, secret service, and a bunch of others knew enough to prevent it.
The second doesn't excuse the first.
Maxine Waters mocks: I threaten Trump supporters ‘all the time’
Rep. Maxine Waters (D-Calif.) mockingly said in a speech last weekend that she threatens Trump supporters all the time, defending her comments in June that said people should confront members …
thehill.com
Are these things ok? Just asking
"Let's go tear up the capital, let's go right now. Beat the shit out of every cop you see. Follow me."
FIFY
LOL... if he had said THAT, he WOULD be in jail. As delusional as he is, he knows how far he can go before he's gone too far. Roy Cohn taught him well.
He didn't need to say it. He insinuated it the entire time. He'd been insinuating it from all the tweets claiming the election was illegitimate and stolen from him.
That's the crux of the issue here. Everything else doesn't matter. You can nitpick on what he said, or if the intrusion was peaceful or not, or whatever. But the fact is, they interrupted and tried to stop the legal transfer of power. And they did it because the man you constantly defend, told them that he was being robbed.
You either think he's right, or you think he's wrong.
Which one is it for you?
your contention is of course born of butthurt, but where is the word 'possibly' that was interjected by you into the conversation previously? Word games again, and again, from you. It should be as below, according to you...
Well of course. Everything everyone writes is possibly moronic. That isn't insinuating that they are in fact a moron. Duh. Now do you see the clear difference? Of course you don't, you still need to play stupid games so you can continue to argue like the loser that you are. LMAO at your clown show.
And don't even try saying I changed anything. YOU changed it by leaving out the word 'possibly' that you previously used. I just restored it.
oh thanks dude, for the offer, but I'm gonna have to say NO thanks.
We have to address this for the 748th time. They're angry that their precious Capitol was vandalized, but they really like the people that did it... especially the one that encouraged them to do whatever they felt like doing.
this is a big step for you. Keep working on it until you get to where you understand that millions of things are true at the same time. Great first step though.
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