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I would suggest doing a little more research, because most of what you said is misinterpreted at best. I also think people are a little confused about what to look at. It's not just what happened that day, it's also the events leading up to it. That started sometime in November.
This is fair. The book is 10 hours on audible. I’m about an hour in. Hard to convey all of what happened for months before and after in a fairly concise chat board post.

It does crack me up when some here (not you) say “all those (direct quotes, audio and video tape and legal court evidence and actual vote count results in races in same areas, and the makeup and background/ history of DJT supporters - cold hard evidence as clear an indisputable as “water is wet” and “2+2=4”) items - I didn’t read them or listen to them or how they were gathered and verified and sourced and confirmed - but I still believe they are conspiracy hooey. “

People with this weak illogical, debate and discussion ineptitude are not reachable. Discussion with them is a waste of time. They are best left to wander in some delusional fact free fantasia - no objective truth, alternate reality…I mean fantasy.
 
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I guess the joke is on you if you actually think the House Democrats are strategically chasing some almost unattainable goal with their votes, although @tarheel0910 is correct when he writes that technically Jeffries could be selected as Speaker of the House.

In the meantime, while sitting back in their comfortable chairs in their "little corner" watching the dysfunctional Republicans fall all over themselves just trying to find a leader, it is a bit of a victory for the party.
The joke is on you when you keep bringing up Hakeem being in first place. He's the minority leader and he will stay the minority leader. He has as much chance of winning speaker at this point as you do. In two years? Who knows. You are so excited with your panties wadded up over this when in the end, they'll go through the process, a Republican will be speaker and your first place vote getter will be sitting the same place he was two weeks ago. Keep telling yourself that all this represents a victory for the party.
 
It does crack me up when some here (not you) say “all those (direct quotes, audio and video tape and legal court evidence and actual vote count results in races in same areas, and the makeup and background/ history of DJT supporters - cold hard evidence as clear an indisputable as “water is wet” and “2+2=4”) items - I didn’t read them or listen to them or how they were gathered and verified and sourced and confirmed - but I still believe they are conspiracy hooey. “
My reason for disbelieving the book without reading anything more than the first part of her introduction is based on two very valid points:
1 - As I've already stated, the 2020 election has repeatedly been called the fairest election in this nation's history even though some people, who are still choking on sour grapes, will argue the fact until they are blue in the face. The election was not stolen.
2 - The undeniable findings of the Jan. 6 Committee have shown it is apparent who the guilty parties were that day. Most of those in denial over this refused to watch, listen to, or read up on the Committee's findings. Instead they prefer to listen to an audio book that tells them precisely what they want to hear.
 
My reason for disbelieving the book without reading anything more than the first part of her introduction is based on two very valid points:
1 - As I've already stated, the 2020 election has repeatedly been called the fairest election in this nation's history even though some people, who are still choking on sour grapes, will argue the fact until they are blue in the face. The election was not stolen.
2 - The undeniable findings of the Jan. 6 Committee have shown it is apparent who the guilty parties were that day. Most of those in denial over this refused to watch, listen to, or read up on the Committee's findings. Instead they prefer to listen to an audio book that tells them precisely what they want to hear.
Wow. And you think the people in 1 and the group or reality deniers show trial bunch in 2 are objective and don’t have a side or a slant in these matters?

I only wish and hope there was a true objective assessment and investigation of J6 and all the events leading up to it and after it. I don’t think it will happen.

This administration doesn’t want a factual BIPARTISAN OBJECTIVE investigation. The media doesn’t either.

They spent about a year trying to cook up their show trial and comedy routine embarrassment of an investigation into being legit. Nobody watched. Nobody bought into their one-sides clown show, show trial. Which led to “heroes” like Cheney Kinser et Al being demolished politically. Funny stuff.
 
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The joke is on you when you keep bringing up Hakeem being in first place. He's the minority leader and he will stay the minority leader. He has as much chance of winning speaker at this point as you do.
No, once again, the joke is on you.

I explained the reason for my gloating in the post you just quoted. ¿No comprende?
 
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They spent about a year trying to cook up their show trial and comedy routine embarrassment of an investigation into being legit. Nobody watched. Nobody bought into their one-sides clown show, show trial. Which led to “heroes” like Cheney Kinser et Al being demolished politically. Funny stuff.
You sound like that far-right fruitcake @gunslingerdick when you claim no one watched. Maybe what you meant to say was, no one on the right who supports the insurrection and isn't interested in hearing the actual facts about the events watched it.

Let me ask you, did you watch?
 
You sound like that far-right fruitcake @gunslingerdick when you claim no one watched. Maybe what you meant to say was, no one on the right who supports the insurrection and isn't interested in hearing the actual facts about the events watched it.

Let me ask you, did you watch?
No I’m proud to say I’m one of the vast number of “higher than single digit IQ” people who didn’t watch. But you’re in that group who was easily duped into thinking it was real and you lapped up every second of that poorly created comedy drama pure doctored BS. I get it.

Look up the ratings on the show trial when it was on TV. Despite being breathlessly promoted and pumped for hours and at $millions and complete with tv show producers producing the made for tv clown show - the ratings (who watched) were dead f last against competitors. Some D-grade cable show reruns beat it regularly. hilarious!
 
No I’m proud to say I’m one of the vast number of “higher than single digit IQ” people who didn’t watch. But you’re in that group who was easily duped into thinking it was real and you lapped up every second of that poorly created comedy drama pure doctored BS. I get it.

Look up the ratings on the show trial when it was on TV. Despite being breathlessly promoted and pumped for hours and at $millions and complete with tv show producers producing the made for tv clown show - the ratings (who watched) were dead f last against competitors. Some D-grade cable show reruns beat it regularly. hilarious!
Man you are out there. Get some help.
 
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But you’re in that group who was easily duped into thinking it was real and you lapped up every second of that poorly created comedy drama pure doctored BS. I get it.
Let me see if I've got this straight. You have now referred to the J6 hearings as a "cooked up show trial," a "comedy routine embarrassment of an investigation," a " one-sides [sic] clown show," and "poorly created comedy drama pure doctored BS," but yet you refused to watch any of it. Is that about right? I suppose it's easier to hand out poor reviews for programming that threatens you rather than spending the time actually watching it and accepting the truth.

This was my response on June 10 to fruitcake @gunslingerdick 's claim that no one watched:

Nearly 20 million people watched Thursday night’s first hearing of the House select committee investigating the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the U.S. Capitol across broadcast and cable news, according to preliminary ratings figures from Nielsen.

ABC took the largest haul of viewers, earning 4.8 million of them, while NBC and CBS carried 3.5 million and 3.3 million, respectively.

On cable, MSNBC pulled in a whopping 4.1 million viewers during the hearings, nearly four times what the network averages on a typical weeknight.

FOX News refused to broadcast the hearings and pulled in a paltry 3 million head-in-the-sand viewers and Tucker Carlson broadcasted for a full hour without any commercial breaks for fear his viewers would switch channels if he did.


Look up the ratings on the show trial when it was on TV. Despite being breathlessly promoted and pumped for hours and at $millions and complete with tv show producers producing the made for tv clown show - the ratings (who watched) were dead f last against competitors. Some D-grade cable show reruns beat it regularly. hilarious!
Why should I look it up when I'm sure you'll share all your findings with me? Or are you making that up as well?
 
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Man you are out there. Get some help.
Yeah, when he posted the line up above, And you think the people in 1 and the group or reality deniers show trial bunch in 2 are objective and don’t have a side or a slant in these matters? I almost mistook it for genius-talk. But then I recognized it for what it is . . . infant child babble.
 
So many fbi agents, antifa, etc in an otherwise normally peaceful, no weapons, no coordination, no group communication - crowd of Trump supporters. I am saying Fbi and antifa stoked and led the others into the J6 trespass. Which is what it was, not an insurrection or threat to overthrow the govt.

As more and more truth gets leaked, you hear DJT state several times “March to the Capitol PEACEFULLY- NO VIOLENCE!” but of course media and govt have tried to bury that. Just like they have tried to bury / hide that “insurrection instigator” Ray Epps was a former fbi employee, only person leading the invasion and provoking it, but for some reason not arrested - why is that?

Also leaked - several requests to Pelosi and dc police to strengthen security and police and nat guard force at Capitol on Jan 6 including multiple requests directly from DJT. Pelosi denied each and took actions to weaken security that day. Why is that?

Read Julie Kelly’s book on Jan 6. She has relentlessly reported the truth via airtight reporting, mostly direct quotes and indisputable evidence from all persons on site that day. The book explains what J6 really was and what it wasn’t and who was behind the actions and who wasn’t - better than I can here

Dear Lord. Talk about trying to rewrite the narrative. Did you ever once question this woman or are you simply inclined to believe any conspiracy that paints Democrats in a bad light?
 
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That's not at all what he believes and you know that. What he believes is what I believe - that LGBT people have the right to be whatever they want. But he believes, like I do, that when one lives an abnormal lifestyle, the onus is on that individual to recognize that their lifestyle is abnormal and will not be accepted by the masses. It doesn't mean you're less. It just means the majority don't support your lifestyle. And instead of attempting to force others to accept your lifestyle, those living the alternative lifestyle should be content with themselves and understand you won't be accepted. That's life.

And of course, he does not support any kind of that pretend shit being a part of school curriculum. If you're trans, talk about it with your parent when you get home. Or a friend. Or, I don't know...maybe a therapist. Not with some goofy, lazy, do-nothing guidance counselor that has an inflated opinion of their importance and thinks they're a psychotherapist. Or with an Algebra teacher that spends most of his/her time managing behavior issues.

Please, you have a thinly veiled disgust bordering on bigotry for LGBT people and this entire response is living proof. Maybe the 50th time I say this will penetrate your skull, but what we are and who we are is not a lifestyle choice. You don't decide to be gay or trans or whatever. You just are. If it was that simple, more people would hop on the bandwagon and those who try to 'cure' it would be successful. Ignoring for a second you think a 'majority' don't accept LGBT people, which is false, there are two problems with your line of thinking as usual.

1) If there is an attitude that wrongly critiques people or deems them lesser for simply existing as they are, the onus is on those people to change, not the other way around.

2) Your exact sentiment on these issues is what leads to prejudicial behavior in the first place. You've called me every horrendous name under the sun all because I dare to be openly trans on this board.

As for your last point, I do not believe in having sex/gender ed discussions in elementary school. That is not the same thing as 'grooming', nor does it imply some mass conspiracy to make America's children 'trans' which in itself is impossible and pure nonsense. And far right commentators who perpetuate this narrative are doing far more harm than being transgender does to a person. You and @Heelicious are full buyers into this narrative.

Perhaps, try asking an actual trans person their thoughts and opinions (like me) instead of assuming we're all these horrible deviants. It might surprise you that on many of these issues I'm not some looney progressive.
 
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Dear Lord. Talk about trying to rewrite the narrative. Did you ever once question this woman or are you simply inclined to believe any conspiracy that paints Democrats in a bad light?
Hey! Give the author credit! She even managed to get him to BUY the book!
 
Please, you have a thinly veiled disgust bordering on bigotry for LGBT people and this entire response is living proof. Maybe the 50th time I say this will penetrate your skull, but what we are and who we are is not a lifestyle choice. You don't decide to be gay or trans or whatever. You just are. If it was that simple, more people would hop on the bandwagon and those who try to 'cure' it would be successful. Ignoring for a second you think a 'majority' don't accept LGBT people, which is false, there are two problems with your line of thinking as usual.

1) If there is an attitude that wrongly critiques people or deems them lesser for simply existing as they are, the onus is on those people to change, not the other way around.

2) Your exact sentiment on these issues is what leads to prejudicial behavior in the first place. You've called me every horrendous name under the sun all because I dare to be openly trans on this board.

As for your last point, I do not believe in having sex/gender ed discussions in elementary school. That is not the same thing as 'grooming', nor does it imply some mass conspiracy to make America's children 'trans' which in itself is impossible and pure nonsense. And far right commentators who perpetuate this narrative are doing far more harm than being transgender does to a person. You and @Heelicious are full buyers into this narrative.

Perhaps, try asking an actual trans person their thoughts and opinions (like me) instead of assuming we're all these horrible deviants. It might surprise you that on many of these issues I'm not some looney progressive.

I’ve called you every horrendous name under the sun because you’re a whiny, little pipsqueak, know-it-all, gross liberal. You being trans is just the cherry on top of your dumb f*ckery.

There are people dealing with gender dysphoria. A very, very, very tiny percentage of the population. I wish those people no harm. Most of those types choose to live a quiet life and many see therapists for their ongoing issues. They probably want to just be left alone and have no desire for activism or for the numbers of trans people to increase. They probably do not wish their condition on others. They do not want to be known as trans. I would estimate the number of people in this group to be less than .0005% of the US population.

Then there are individuals that choose to identify as trans. This occurs for several reasons - to claim victimhood status, to virtue signal, to find some sort of acceptance because of a weak ego, childhood trauma, adolescent rebellion, obsessive nonconformity to name several. These people are loud about their chosen condition. These people want to force acceptance of their bizarre affliction on others to satisfy a need for power which they’ve lacked in their life. These people promote transgenderism. With kids because of their naïveté. These people are sad and need therapy and not necessarily for their being “trans”. That’s simply the manifestation of larger mental issues. I estimate the number of people in this group to be 5% of the US population. And growing. Exponentially. Like, at a greater rate than at any time in history. These people suck. They’re losers.

If you’re in group A, then God bless you. If you’re in group B, then f*ck off. The fact that you told strangers on a message board that you’re trans leads me to believe it’s B for you. But hey, maybe I’m wrong.
 
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I’ve called you every horrendous name under the sun because you’re a whiny, little pipsqueak, know-it-all, gross liberal. You being trans is just the cherry on top of your dumb f*ckery.

There are people dealing with gender dysphoria. A very, very, very tiny percentage of the population. I wish those people no harm. Most of those types choose to live a quiet life and many see therapists for their ongoing issues. They probably want to just be left alone and have no desire for activism or for the numbers of trans people to increase. They probably do not wish their condition on others. They do not want to be known as trans. I would estimate the number of people in this group to be less than .0005% of the US population.

Then there are individuals that choose to identify as trans. This occurs for several reasons - to claim victimhood status, to virtue signal, to find some sort of acceptance because of a weak ego, childhood trauma, adolescent rebellion, obsessive nonconformity to name several. These people are loud about their chosen condition. These people want to force acceptance of their bizarre affliction on others to satisfy a need for power which they’ve lacked in their life. These people promote transgenderism. With kids because of their naïveté. These people are sad and need therapy and not necessarily for their being “trans”. That’s simply the manifestation of larger mental issues. I estimate the number of people in this group to be 5% of the US population. And growing. Exponentially. Like, at a greater rate than at any time in history. These people suck. They’re losers.

If you’re in group A, then God bless you. If you’re in group B, then f*ck off. The fact that you told strangers on a message board that you’re trans leads me to believe it’s B for you. But hey, maybe I’m wrong.
I 'loved' your post but with the disclaimer that I believe CB to not be in group B, or at least to be much more group A. I think he believed his participation here nearly required that he identify himself. He maybe does turn a little more attention to his situation than is perfectly reasonable, but he doesn't dwell on it either.

That being said, I have no feelings one way or the other regarding his self-identity. And if he feels isolated and alienated, I couldn't blame him for seeking some empathy and the company of others in the same situation. But those who go beyond that and actively and publicly promote the condition are like some insidious social disease, and I am disgusted by the media/advertising/entertainment industry sticking it in our faces at every opportunity. A cure would be much appreciated by me.
 
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2 - The undeniable findings of the Jan. 6 Committee have shown it is apparent who the guilty parties were that day.
who did they determine to be guilty, and of what? Is someone going to jail?

I missed it entirely. No interest in political dog and pony acts.
 
No, once again, the joke is on you.

I explained the reason for my gloating in the post you just quoted. ¿No comprende?

Clearly. That is, clearly you do not have the ability to comprehend. Your "gloating" as you call it is merely an inability/refusal to understand or acknowledge when you are wrong and simply drinking the kool aid. I was going to lay it out and explain it to you . . . slowly . . . but no one here deserves to read more of and/or repetitions of your drivel. I know, I know - I can't wait for the wit filled insult you'll hurl back and the continued posts of your guy being in "first place" when, in the end, he'll be nothing more than minority speaker and all the claims and laughs about him will pop like a needle to a balloon. Keep living in the bubble.
 
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You guys won't let me rest, will you? After a pretty active day here yesterday I was going to refocus my energy today on more domestic matters like responding to the growing mound of fan mail piling up in my living room and getting started on my memoirs since I have already been paid a big advance for it. Geez, I never met a group that loved getting their brains pounded as much as youse guys.
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who did they determine to be guilty, and of what? Is someone going to jail?
Oh, yes, quite a few participants in the January 6 mob are in the slammer as we speak, including one of our very own. UNC71-00 was identified and arrested and charged with:
Assaulting, resisting, or impeding certain officers using a dangerous weapon or inflicting bodily injury; civil disorder; theft of government property; entering and remaining in a restricted building or grounds; disorderly and disruptive conduct in a restricted building or grounds; engaging in physical violence in a restricted building or grounds; disorderly conduct in a Capitol building; impeding passage through the Capitol grounds or buildings; act of physical violence in the Capitol grounds or buildings

He and I have exchanged postcards and I am happy to inform you that among his messages he writes:
"The food sucks but for the first time in my life I am sticking to my diet." "Much happier now that Big Richard was transferred to a different cell block." "I am a reformed man. I no longer believe Trump won and I should have my ass kicked for ever believing his stupid lies!" "I owe a lot of money to a lot of people due to welshing on bets. I wonder if they have forgotten about it?"

Your "gloating" as you call it is merely an inability/refusal to understand or acknowledge when you are wrong and simply drinking the kool aid.
Really, poop? Are you so foolish you don't even realize when someone is pulling your leg? Allow me to come clean: I think it is quite funny that every time they take a vote for the next Speaker (six separate votes so far and counting), a Democrat keeps getting more votes than any Republican because members of that party are at each others' throat. That's some funny shit.

I realize that Hakeem Jeffries is the current frontrunner in a race he likely cannot win. I say likely because it is not beyond the realm of possibility that he gets chosen as the next Speaker of the House. Ever heard of a plurality vote? The odds of it happening are quite long, but wouldn't it be a kick in the head if it did happen?!
 
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I called it as soon as he "lost" the election. In fact, I think I said Trump as Speaker would be infinitely more fun for me than Trump as President. I would piss myself with glee if this came to fruition.
You're declaring Trump SOH because 1 (nut job child prostitute fan) voted for him on the 5th ballot? Weird jump there but do yo thang.
 
You're declaring Trump SOH because 1 (nut job child prostitute fan) voted for him on the 5th ballot? Weird jump there but do yo thang.

No. I realize it won't happen. I'm simply fantasizing about how great it would be if it did. And I knew there would be those nominating him.
 
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