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pooponduke said:
They also had no authority to find anyone guilty or the ability to make "undeniable findings". The committee was setup as a sham of D's and never trumper's to start with when Nancy denied the R's their actual picks to serve.
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If the Jan 6 Committee didn't have the authority to present their findings, including all the evidence of guilt, then why was it created in the first place? Why is any House Select Committee formed? I bet you don't scoff at the 9/11 Commission and their finding of muslims as the culprits. That's because I'm sure in your unjustifiably feeble mind, Republicans good/muslims bad.

I don't know at what point your denial kicks in, whether it is your doubts about the fairness of the election, or your disbelief that there was a large and angry mob storming the Capitol trying to change the results of the election. Or maybe you believe the majority of the rioters were undercover and there to simply make the Trump supporters look bad. I don't really care at what point you go into denial because you're an idiot either way.

You and your stupid ilk go around and you break things whenever you lose or don't get your way, Then when you are called out on your actions, you're too cowardly and spineless to own up to them. Your tail goes between your legs and you deny, deny, and deny some more. No wonder you're a bunch of failures.
 
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Heels Noir said:
If the Jan 6 Committee didn't have the authority to present their findings, including all the evidence of guilt, then why was it created in the first place? Why is any House Select Committee formed? I bet you don't scoff at the 9/11 Commission and their finding of muslims as the culprits. That's because I'm sure in your unjustifiably feeble mind, Republicans good/muslims bad.

I don't know at what point your denial kicks in, whether it is your doubts about the fairness of the election, or your disbelief that there was a large and angry mob storming the Capitol trying to change the results of the election. Or maybe you believe the majority of the rioters were undercover and there to simply make the Trump supporters look bad. I don't really care at what point you go into denial because you're an idiot either way.

You and your stupid ilk go around and you break things whenever you lose or don't get your way, Then when you are called out on your actions, you're too cowardly and spineless to own up to them. Your tail goes between your legs and you deny, deny, and deny some more. No wonder you're a bunch of failures.
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Wait, didn't you support the nation-wide hissy fit that killed scores of people and caused over 2 billion in property damage and also even assaulted the WH and actually did engage in sedition?
 
Heels Noir said:
If the Jan 6 Committee didn't have the authority to present their findings, including all the evidence of guilt, then why was it created in the first place? Why is any House Select Committee formed? I bet you don't scoff at the 9/11 Commission and their finding of muslims as the culprits. That's because I'm sure in your unjustifiably feeble mind, Republicans good/muslims bad.

I don't know at what point your denial kicks in, whether it is your doubts about the fairness of the election, or your disbelief that there was a large and angry mob storming the Capitol trying to change the results of the election. Or maybe you believe the majority of the rioters were undercover and there to simply make the Trump supporters look bad. I don't really care at what point you go into denial because you're an idiot either way.

You and your stupid ilk go around and you break things whenever you lose or don't get your way, Then when you are called out on your actions, you're too cowardly and spineless to own up to them. Your tail goes between your legs and you deny, deny, and deny some more. No wonder you're a bunch of failures.
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Don't go postal or anything. I'm sorry that those pesky facts got in the way of your desires. It'll be ok. Go to your safe place.
 
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Heels Noir said:
You and your stupid ilk go around and you break things whenever you lose or don't get your way, Then when you are called out on your actions, you're too cowardly and spineless to own up to them. Your tail goes between your legs and you deny, deny, and deny some more. No wonder you're a bunch of failures.
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He said describing perfectly the events known more popularly as BLM gatherings, mostly peaceful protests, etc.
 
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And what happened to your running scoreboard??? Seems that McCarthy is only two or three votes away. Your man in "first place" has faded for some reason. Perhaps it's because it's going down exactly like predicted and your claimed "victory" was only a win in your self-created fantastical perspective.
 
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carolinablue34 said:
Yes, you've made this abundantly clear.


Well dude if that's what you consider 'promotion' you have the wrong idea. Drag queens have been on TV for years. How is that bad? Pride parades can be a bit much, but again, how are they a detriment to society? They only happen once a year. So what if guys are making out on TV? Change the channel and watch the ten million straight couples making out. And yes, genuine trans people do deserve to be visible in American life as regular people, so if that means sticking one in a commercial, again how is that objectively bad?

You'll give me a bunch of the usual 'I don't believe in promoting things that aren't the norm' or whatever. Who says what's 'normal' should automatically assume to be superior or better? The fact is, these beliefs stem from prejudice. It has nothing to do with believing we deserve to be treated equally under the law. You can still believe black people deserve to be treated equally under the law and despise the idea of your kid marrying a black person.

You've been more gracious to me on here than some and simple tolerance is all anyone can ask for. But broader societal acceptance requires further conversation and work. That's what I hope for one day.
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seriously? Murders have been reported on the news for more years than there have been drag queen shows. Does that make murder OK? WTF kind of reasoning is that?

Also, I can turn the channel, but by then I've already been disgusted....and kids might not turn the channel. I guess you want them groomed.

I haven't said trans people need to hide or anything approaching that. They can certainly operate in society like any other individual. But don't put on the stupid just so that you can maintain that being a trans in public equates to having a tranny TV show or that pride parades aren't about sticking up a middle finger to normal society.

"But broader societal acceptance requires further conversation and work. That's what I hope for one day."

I've been what I consider to be fair, and I sincerely have no ill will toward you or anyone else with a different situation....as long as they don't stick it in my face, or the face of our kids. I want any individual to be treated as well as any other, as long as said individual isn't behaving badly. What I haven't done is support 'broader societal acceptance' of transgenderism. Because that's exactly what I'm saying I'm against. Like it or not, transgenderism is an aberration. And I approve of nothing that might cause it to be more accepted.
 
bluetoe said:
seriously? Murders have been reported on the news for more years than there have been drag queen shows. Does that make murder OK? WTF kind of reasoning is that?

Also, I can turn the channel, but by then I've already been disgusted....and kids might not turn the channel. I guess you want them groomed.

I haven't said trans people need to hide or anything approaching that. They can certainly operate in society like any other individual. But don't put on the stupid just so that you can maintain that being a trans in public equates to having a tranny TV show or that pride parades aren't about sticking up a middle finger to normal society.

"But broader societal acceptance requires further conversation and work. That's what I hope for one day."

I've been what I consider to be fair, and I sincerely have no ill will toward you or anyone else with a different situation....as long as they don't stick it in my face, or the face of our kids. I want any individual to be treated as well as any other, as long as said individual isn't behaving badly. What I haven't done is support 'broader societal acceptance' of transgenderism. Because that's exactly what I'm saying I'm against. Like it or not, transgenderism is an aberration. And I approve of nothing that might cause it to be more accepted.
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Bro, you're really comparing murders to drag queens? A bunch of gay guys dressing up as women competing on TV Shows. Oh, yeah, such a threat. What kind of reasoning is that?

Don't give me the whole 'grooming' thing. I'm talking to you, not randman. And in any case, a kid can't be 'turned' gay or trans by looking at a TV show of men making out. I'd also be asking why my kids are watching inappropriate content, regardless of whether it's straight or gay. The point is, this is nature not nurture. It's not an aberration.

If you really believe that trans people on TV or pride parades are a middle finger society, maybe ask yourself why that is. Homosexuality was legalized nationwide only twenty years ago. Same sex relationships only seven. People had to live for years in the closet for fear of losing their jobs, their families, relationships, and social suicide and some still do. Gay bars were often raided and vandalized by cops. People used to purposefully seek out gay people to beat up or harass. Trans women have been killed by men after discovering their anatomy.

So, yeah, 'normal society' hasn't exactly done much for us. It often destroyed us simply for being who we are. You claim support for fair and equal treatment, but your attitude is the exact antithesis of that. Straight up. And I do not accept, nor will I ever accept any form of debasement or made to feel inferior over some arbitrary definition of violating what's 'normal'. Nor the ignorant fear mongering that my presence is dangerous to children.
 
Heels Noir said:
The January 6 Committee didn't have the authority to charge anyone just like any other House Select Committee.
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no shit, Sherlock. That's what I've been pointing out to your dumb ass. To find guilt there needs to be a trial. To have a trial there need to be charges. The J6 hearings had no capacity to press charges or conduct a trial. But YOU said they indicated guilt. Remember? Once again you're just scrambling to undo making a fool of yourself from trying too hard.

You're just an idiot
 
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carolinablue34 said:
A kid can't be 'turned' gay or trans by looking at a TV show of men making out.
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carolinablue34 said:
The point is, this is nature not nurture. It's not an aberration.
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I think these are important points in wondering why certain groups of people are so fearful.

How many straight guys here think watching broke back mountain will make suddenly think Jake Gyllenhaal is sexually attractive?

Does watching someone dress-up as a dinosaur for Halloween morph your kid into identifying with being a T-Rex instead of a human?
 
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bluetoe said:
To find guilt there needs to be a trial. To have a trial there need to be charges.
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You're wrong. To make criminal charges there needs to be a trial but to find guilt there only needs to be an investigation. Now you're confusing yourself.
 
Groomers increasingly getting away with it or just a slap on the wrist.

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The Chicago Public Schools Office of the Inspector General released its annual report Sunday, saying it substantiated more than 300 misconduct allegations out of more than 600 complaints for the 2021-22 school year.

An OIG investigation concluded one teacher groomed and sexually assaulted a 17-year-old student three times. That teacher was charged with multiple counts of sexual assault. After a November 2022 trial, the teacher was acquitted on all counts, the report said, despite evidence provided by the student and social media records.

Another investigation revealed a former JROTC staff member had sex with a high school girl over the course of a year when she was 16 to 17 years old, the report said. The girl was also given alcohol and marijuana and purchased marijuana for him, the OIG said.

An empty classroom. A report released this week by the Chicago Public Schools Office of the Inspector General said it substantiated hundreds of adult on student misconduct allegations for the 2021-22 school year.
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The pair also exchanged hundreds of text messages and calls.

“I’m ready to f— right now … I’m not gonna be gentle either,” one message read, the report said.

When the staff member became aware he might be under investigation, he allegedly threatened to kill the girl and her family. He was arrested and eventually sentenced to time served and four years probation after pleading guilty to sexual assault and criminal sexual abuse.

One high school teacher allegedly exchanged 4,000 text messages with a female student, including 400 in one day. The teacher said he was in an open marriage and was “attracted to other people.”

wfin.com

Chicago schools watchdog finds hundreds of employees groomed, sexually assaulted students - WFIN Local News

A newly released report found that hundreds of Chicago teachers groomed and sexually assaulted students over the 2021-22 school year.
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gunslingerdick said:
So what happened with Hakeem Jeffries? Did he win Speaker? He had gotten so many votes over the last few days. Really impressive stuff. Looks like he was on his way to history. I checked out though. Can someone update me? TIA.
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I got sucked into watching the last votes last night. And the speeches. HJ doesn't impress me. A Brooklyn poor man's version of Barry Obama, with a comparable level of huckster demagoguery and lies. And with maybe a better rap game, though his illiteration and rap / rhymes in his speak were forced and weak. His revival / community organizer game needs a lot of work.

And HJ came across as uniquely quite mean spirited, not cordial or collaborative and gracious at all, which should be the norm for these types of power transfer events.

All good, though. From here on out over next few weeks and the next two years or more, 90+% of the people will not be able to identify his name or face. Heck of a lot of power he has gained by finishing second in every vote though. So much winning. Congrats!
 
Hark_The_Sound_2010 said:
So what's the new panty wadder du jour now that the House Speaker is decided?
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I know it's hard to believe, hearing all the weeping and gnashing of teeth in media/leftist pols, but it appears that following the process of electing a SOH over a few days, and getting some concessions and rules and commitments for the Freedom Caucus, DID NOT in fact as predicted end the republic as we know it.

Whew! Major real constitutional crisis avoided!

Thing is - today or tomorrow, or by next week at latest few will ever know the SOH went any longer than normal
 
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randman1 said:
Wonder how many honestly thought these were real doctors on twitter sharing real horror stories of deaths in hospitals? Most likely every democrat on here, if they heard of it, fell for the hoax just like they do with all the race hoaxes out there.

www.revolver.news

Remember the Twitter "ER doctors” who claimed hordes of patients were dying daily of COVID? They were fake… - Revolver News

These popular Twitter "ER" doctors who spread daily COVID fear were 100 percent fake.
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People who don’t take MAGA seriously just don’t take people like you seriously and that’s about 75 percent of the American people.
blazers said:
Unsure, still too busy lmfao at gqp ineptitude and wondering if people like updateMcCarthy will reap anything good worth the trouble of selling their soul.
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Oh, make no mistake, the GOP lost big time. McCarthy gave away the GOP in order to get that gavel. The GOP would have lost less power if they had forced him to step aside.
 
carolinablue34 said:
Bro, you're really comparing murders to drag queens? A bunch of gay guys dressing up as women competing on TV Shows. Oh, yeah, such a threat. What kind of reasoning is that?

Don't give me the whole 'grooming' thing. I'm talking to you, not randman. And in any case, a kid can't be 'turned' gay or trans by looking at a TV show of men making out. I'd also be asking why my kids are watching inappropriate content, regardless of whether it's straight or gay. The point is, this is nature not nurture. It's not an aberration.

If you really believe that trans people on TV or pride parades are a middle finger society, maybe ask yourself why that is. Homosexuality was legalized nationwide only twenty years ago. Same sex relationships only seven. People had to live for years in the closet for fear of losing their jobs, their families, relationships, and social suicide and some still do. Gay bars were often raided and vandalized by cops. People used to purposefully seek out gay people to beat up or harass. Trans women have been killed by men after discovering their anatomy.

So, yeah, 'normal society' hasn't exactly done much for us. It often destroyed us simply for being who we are. You claim support for fair and equal treatment, but your attitude is the exact antithesis of that. Straight up. And I do not accept, nor will I ever accept any form of debasement or made to feel inferior over some arbitrary definition of violating what's 'normal'. Nor the ignorant fear mongering that my presence is dangerous to children.
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no, dummy, I'm not. Try to keep up with your own nonsense. You indicated that drag shows were OK because they've been on TV a long time. I'm trying to point out to your dumb ass that just because something has been on TV a long time doesn't make it acceptable.

"If you really believe that trans people on TV or pride parades are a middle finger society, maybe ask yourself why that is."

I don't give a shit why that is. It's anti-social, and one of the most idiotic thoughts ever is that acting anti-socially with a middle finger is going to gain them popularity in the society they claim they want to be accepted by. The truth is, the middle finger is a fvck you just because they can, followed up with a demand for acceptance. Fvck them and anyone who supports it.

And then you go on that mindless liberal way of seeing things. As I have always said, you are an individual with just as much right to be respected as a citizen as any other citizen. But you have no right to demand that others think of you in any particular way, any more than they have a right to have you think of them in any particular way. You happen to be an individual with an aberrational condition which you have chosen to emnbace. I don't consider that when I think of you as a person, other than having that knowledge about you. But the moment you demand acceptance you can go fvck yourself. The moment you want your condition to be promoted so you can gain feel good about yourself and gain acceptance, you can go fvck yourself. You can gain acceptance or lose acceptance as an individual, or you can go fvck yourself.
 
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You're wrong. To make criminal charges there needs to be a trial but to find guilt there only needs to be an investigation. Now you're confusing yourself.
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God, you're an idiot. Talk about confused, you must think you're in Russia.

 
bluetoe said:
no, dummy, I'm not. Try to keep up with your own nonsense. You indicated that drag shows were OK because they've been on TV a long time. I'm trying to point out to your dumb ass that just because something has been on TV a long time doesn't make it acceptable.

"If you really believe that trans people on TV or pride parades are a middle finger society, maybe ask yourself why that is."

I don't give a shit why that is. It's anti-social, and one of the most idiotic thoughts ever is that acting anti-socially with a middle finger is going to gain them popularity in the society they claim they want to be accepted by. The truth is, the middle finger is a fvck you just because they can, followed up with a demand for acceptance. Fvck them and anyone who supports it.

And then you go on that mindless liberal way of seeing things. As I have always said, you are an individual with just as much right to be respected as a citizen as any other citizen. But you have no right to demand that others think of you in any particular way, any more than they have a right to have you think of them in any particular way. You happen to be an individual with an aberrational condition which you have chosen to emnbace. I don't consider that when I think of you as a person, other than having that knowledge about you. But the moment you demand acceptance you can go fvck yourself. The moment you want your condition to be promoted so you can gain feel good about yourself and gain acceptance, you can go fvck yourself. You can gain acceptance or lose acceptance as an individual, or you can go fvck yourself.
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Yeah, you didn’t listen to a f**king word I said. And by the way, you have not demonstrated any concrete evidence as to why drag shows on TV are harmful.

Maybe it’s not a zero sum game. Maybe I can be accepted as an individual and society exactly as I am and such an outcome is preferable to your backwards prejudice. I’m not promoting anything, you imbecile. I’m being true to myself. I chose life over death. I chose happiness over life long misery. There is a very small segment of the population for which transition is necessary. It’s not a freaking product or lifestyle you can buy in a magazine.

You don’t respect me as a person or as a citizen if you don’t give me basic respect that I am what I am.

You and your ilk punished mine by law and socially for nothing except trying to live as we are- gay, lesbian, bi, trans. Am I a citizen to be respected? Or a threat promoting something ‘unnatural’? You can’t have it both ways. And if you think the latter, then you can go f**k yourself too.
 
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Yeah, you didn’t listen to a f**king word I said. And by the way, you have not demonstrated any concrete evidence as to why drag shows on TV are harmful.

Maybe it’s not a zero sum game. Maybe I can be accepted as an individual and society exactly as I am and such an outcome is preferable to your backwards prejudice. I’m not promoting anything, you imbecile. I’m being true to myself. I chose life over death. I chose happiness over life long misery. There is a very small segment of the population for which transition is necessary. It’s not a freaking product or lifestyle you can buy in a magazine.

You don’t respect me as a person or as a citizen if you don’t give me basic respect that I am what I am.

You and your ilk punished mine by law and socially for nothing except trying to live as we are- gay, lesbian, bi, trans. Am I a citizen to be respected? Or a threat promoting something ‘unnatural’? You can’t have it both ways. And if you think the latter, then you can go f**k yourself too.
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Maybe if your crowd left the children alone, your stance would make more sense. Instead, there is a massively well-funded effort to exploit children and vulnerable people, effectively grooming them for gender dysphoria and age-inappropriate sexual exploitation.

You demand respect but won't condemn the grooming. Nor even admit it exists. How can anyone respect that?
 
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I think these are important points in wondering why certain groups of people are so fearful.

How many straight guys here think watching broke back mountain will make suddenly think Jake Gyllenhaal is sexually attractive?

Does watching someone dress-up as a dinosaur for Halloween morph your kid into identifying with being a T-Rex instead of a human?
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it amazes me that so many of your POV always make this about fear. It's about right vs. wrong in a practical sense, and common sense vs. sheer idiocy and emotional .

The human race evolved in a certain way, as did all the animal life that it evolved from. That way required almost completely that a male be attracted to a female, and that they procreated on that basis.....which is the only reason we are here discussing this. Any other way is aberrational, and that's an undeniable fact. 'Aberrational' only connotes what one wants it to connote, but it isn't open to interpretation. It means abnormal and generally connotes undesirability.

Now we have a society, and that society is such that procreation is optional as is any decision to embrace any such aberration. It only follows, however, that a healthy society is one that follows a billion years of evolution, and one wherein the majority of members of that society finds such an aberration repugnant and strange.

A level-headed person can accept individuals for what they choose to be without embracing the thing that they choose to be. Maybe that's a stretch for the intellect of some, but it's exceedingly simple. I would like to think that most are like me in that they accept individuals who are not of the norm, while desiring that society doesn't become largely abnormal.

" How many straight guys here think watching broke back mountain will make suddenly think Jake Gyllenhaal is sexually attractive? "

Point to me. How many straight guys have no desire to see that movie and accordingly have not done so?

"Does watching someone dress-up as a dinosaur for Halloween morph your kid into identifying with being a T-Rex instead of a human?"

this is not your best effort, and another point goes to me. Identifying with a t-rex is not a lifestyle choice, but transgenderousness is. A child seeing trans presented as normal is more likely as an impressionable child...only idiots don't understand that children ARE impressioinable...to find that lifestyle...trans IS a lifestyle...one that they might choose.
 
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You don’t respect me as a person or as a citizen if you don’t give me basic respect that I am what I am.
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LMAO. You accuse me of not hearing what you're saying? Over and fvcking over I have said I respect you for who and you are and what you are. But I don't have any use for the 'what you are' in society.

I can love a cancer victim and despise cancer. Is that really so hard to understand?

Of course I expect you to come back with a hysterical 'OMG you compare me to having cancer'. No, I'm not making that comparison. That analogy just says you can appreciate someone individually without wanting some aspect of that individual to be promoted. Maybe I have a midget friend. I don't care that he's a midget, but I don't want society to become rife with dwarfism. And my midget friend is probably comfortable in his own skin, but he understands that he is different AND HE UNDERSTANDS THAT NO ONE WANTS A MIDGET SOCIETY.

Of course, dawrfism is not a lifestyle choice and that isn't the point. The point is that trans IS a lifestyle choice, and it's one that can influence others. If you don't get the point, you're just to dumb or too hysterical or too self-absorbed and self-centered to understand.
 
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LMAO. You accuse me of not hearing what you're saying? Over and fvcking over I have said I respect you for who and you are and what you are. But I don't have any use for the 'what you are' in society.

I can love a cancer victim and despise cancer. Is that really so hard to understand?

Of course I expect you to come back with a hysterical 'OMG you compare me to having cancer'. No, I'm not making that comparison. That analogy just says you can appreciate someone individually without wanting some aspect of that individual to be promoted. Maybe I have a midget friend. I don't care that he's a midget, but I don't want society to become rife with dwarfism. And my midget friend is probably comfortable in his own skin, but he understands that he is different AND HE UNDERSTANDS THAT NO ONE WANTS A MIDGET SOCIETY.

Of course, dawrfism is not a lifestyle choice and that isn't the point. The point is that trans IS a lifestyle choice, and it's one that can influence others. If you don't get the point, you're just to dumb or too hysterical or too self-absorbed and self-centered to understand.
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And that’s where we’re not going to ever see eye to eye. Being trans is not a lifestyle choice and never has been. Again, it’s not a hobby or ideology that you don’t agree with but can still look past in the interest of friendship. It just is. That’s all.

“Love the cancer victim, hate the cancer,” is pretty analogous to “love the sinner, hate the sin.” Which has been used to justify prejudice towards lgbt people for years. I don’t buy that. It’s not tenable.

Lol you can’t force anyone to be a midget and you can’t force anyone to be trans. What’s the fuss on your end anyway? We’re not asking for everyone to be like us. We’re asking for equal consideration and dignity as anyone else would.
 
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