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blazers said:
Bannon and Guo admitted they distorted and made up narratives based on the image, including manipulating images. So instead of a legit copy of the files going to legit media (Rupert Murdoch's WSJ even rejected it) a bunch of material tangential to the laptop but grossly distorted by Bannon and Guo was dumped onto the web -- hence the initial distrust.
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Who even gives a crap what Bannon said? Seriously. I didn't hear anything from them on the laptop. I doubt what you are saying is true but since they were not the source of the laptop, it's inconceivable the FBI, DHS, CIA and others were warning the media it was Russian disinformation when in reality they all knew it was real regardless of anything Steve Bannon said.

How stupid can you be, blazers, to make such an argument?
 
For those willing to face the awful truth and want to know what is going on.

"Government has built a huge public and private funding stream for military lead bio-weapons research and use, eliminated informed consent, by reclassifying people who could potentially be carrying a disease as presumptive national security threats, so that you can do anything you want to them because you are on a war footing.”

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says Laypova. “It was very puzzling to me why no regulatory agency in the world was taking any action on any of this – not on adverse events, deaths, horrific side effects. And they took no enforcement on all the manufacturing non-compliance, lack of good laboratory practices, etc. When I found the legal basis for this, the universe immediately started making more sense. Really this is a military operation, war crimes and atrocities covered up as a health event.”

Latypova’s opinion is only further confirmed by the fact that the response to the declaration of the pandemic by the U.S. government was to put the National Security Council (NSC) in charge of covid policy. “This is completely irregular. According to all previous plans, before 2022, Health and Human Services (HHS) was supposed to be in charge, which is reasonable because they are a health agency. Now we have the NSC in charge, and this consists of defense and intelligence heads. They’ve been treating it as an act of war from the beginning; they just didn’t tell people.”

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Pharmaceutical Whistleblower: Covid and the 'Toxic Vaccines' are Bio-Weapons Created by U.S. Department of Defense (Video) - RAIR

"Really this is a military operation, war crimes and atrocities covered up as a health event.” - Sasha Latypova
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For the lemmings that think media Factcheckers and mainstream media are even trying to report the facts or truth.

" Now, former executive editor for The Washington Post Leonard Downie Jr. and former CBS News President Andrew Heyward have released the results of their interviews with over 75 media leaders and concluded that objectivity is now considered reactionary and even harmful. Emilio Garcia-Ruiz, editor-in-chief at the San Francisco Chronicle said it plainly: “Objectivity has got to go.”

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gunslingerdick said:
I want him to make good decisions and make decisions in the best interest of the majority of Americans.
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Yeah, something he also has no concept of. The man is selfishness and ignorance personified. FFS he barely read his intelligence briefings. At least Reagan watched them on VHS.

See that's what you don't get. Trump doesn't speak for a majority and never did. He speaks to minority of hardcore cultural conservatives, evangelicals, some people in business, and right wing libertarians that maximum make up 30% of the country's general electorate. He fooled people like you into believing 'owning the Libs' is not only a policy but a policy worthy of praising.

So don't spin this like he's ever acted in the capacity of anything other than what benefits himself. Drain the swamp my ass.
 
carolinablue34 said:
Yeah, something he also has no concept of. The man is selfishness and ignorance personified. FFS he barely read his intelligence briefings. At least Reagan watched them on VHS.

See that's what you don't get. Trump doesn't speak for a majority and never did. He speaks to minority of hardcore cultural conservatives, evangelicals, some people in business, and right wing libertarians that maximum make up 30% of the country's general electorate. He fooled people like you into believing 'owning the Libs' is not only a policy but a policy worthy of praising.

So don't spin this like he's ever acted in the capacity of anything other than what benefits himself. Drain the swamp my ass.
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Most Americans’ lives were better under Trump. White, black, yellow, red. Men and women. Liberals and conservatives. Period. End of story. Maybe not you but don’t blame him for your personal issues.
 
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randman1 said:
Who even gives a crap what Bannon said? Seriously. I didn't hear anything from them on the laptop. I doubt what you are saying is true but since they were not the source of the laptop, it's inconceivable the FBI, DHS, CIA and others were warning the media it was Russian disinformation when in reality they all knew it was real regardless of anything Steve Bannon said.

How stupid can you be, blazers, to make such an argument?
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our boy excels in using rhetorical devices. This one is called a red herrring. That's a separate argument slipped in as a distraction from the actual one at hand. It has elements of strawman because it still pertains to so-called disinformation; but having to choose, I think I would go red herring in this case.

Wait, let's ask him. @blazers , was this a strawman or a red herring?
 
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carolinablue34 said:
Yeah, something he also has no concept of. The man is selfishness and ignorance personified. FFS he barely read his intelligence briefings. At least Reagan watched them on VHS.

See that's what you don't get. Trump doesn't speak for a majority and never did. He speaks to minority of hardcore cultural conservatives, evangelicals, some people in business, and right wing libertarians that maximum make up 30% of the country's general electorate. He fooled people like you into believing 'owning the Libs' is not only a policy but a policy worthy of praising.

So don't spin this like he's ever acted in the capacity of anything other than what benefits himself. Drain the swamp my ass.
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you do realize that your saying all this doesn't make it so, don't you? Just once, could you and others please supply specific instances of a Trump action harming the country? Don't just say like some shit-slinging dullard that 'he mishandled Covid', or that he lied about how many a gazillion is. Give us something that nonderanged people who deal in the real world can get mad about.
 
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bluetoe said:
you do realize that your saying all this doesn't make it so, don't you? Just once, could you and others please supply specific instances of a Trump action harming the country? Don't just say like some shit-slinging dullard that 'he mishandled Covid', or that he lied about how many a gazillion is. Give us something that nonderanged people who deal in the real world can get mad about.
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I'm not going down this road with you. It'll turn into a giant, pointless debate of one upsmanship in which neither of us backs down then the 'poop throwing' as you so eloquently put it, starts.

It's stupid. You know my opinions. I know yours. I think Trump and his style of politics is cancerous for the country. You think he's amazing. I'd rather post more Goodfellas gifs. That's a lot more fun.
 
gunslingerdick said:
Most Americans’ lives were better under Trump. White, black, yellow, red. Men and women. Liberals and conservatives. Period. End of story. Maybe not you but don’t blame him for your personal issues.
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Lol none of this has to do with my personal issues, but way to irrationally project.

By what objective measure were things so amazing under Trump? It has all the trappings of someone who worships the 1950s as the 'good ole days.' Reality is different than merely having a President we like in office.
 
carolinablue34 said:
I'm not going down this road with you. It'll turn into a giant, pointless debate of one upsmanship in which neither of us backs down then the 'poop throwing' as you so eloquently put it, starts.

It's stupid. You know my opinions. I know yours. I think Trump and his style of politics is cancerous for the country. You think he's amazing.
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Why can't it just be that he thinks Biden "and his style of politics is cancerous for the country?" The only thing amazing about Trump is his ability to live rent free in Dems' heads.
 
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carolinablue34 said:
I'm not going down this road with you. It'll turn into a giant, pointless debate of one upsmanship in which neither of us backs down then the 'poop throwing' as you so eloquently put it, starts.

It's stupid. You know my opinions. I know yours. I think Trump and his style of politics is cancerous for the country. You think he's amazing. I'd rather post more Goodfellas gifs. That's a lot more fun.
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so I can't ask you to substantiate anything with concrete things, and not just your opinion masquerading as fact?
 
carolinablue34 said:
Lol none of this has to do with my personal issues, but way to irrationally project.

By what objective measure were things so amazing under Trump? It has all the trappings of someone who worships the 1950s as the 'good ole days.' Reality is different than merely having a President we like in office.
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how does something like 'Trump was doing a good job' always seems to get inexplicably pigeonholed without explanation into the 'a return to the good old days of the 1840's' or whatever bin? So dumb.

"Reality is different than merely having a President we like in office."

well then reality must also be different than having someone we DON'T like in office. Which is the point I always try to make to you. Your irrational hatred does not represent reality for the rest of us.
 
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bluetoe said:
so I can't ask you to substantiate anything with concrete things, and not just your opinion masquerading as fact?
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No, more like I've tried. You don't accept anything I say for whatever convoluted reason you can come up with, we get into a battle of semantics, and it goes nowhere. Not doing it.
bluetoe said:
how does something like 'Trump was doing a good job' always seems to get inexplicably pigeonholed without explanation into the 'a return to the good old days of the 1840's' or whatever bin? So dumb.

"Reality is different than merely having a President we like in office."

well then reality must also be different than having someone we DON'T like in office. Which is the point I always try to make to you. Your irrational hatred does not represent reality for the rest of us.
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You misunderstood me. I'm not saying Trump brought us back to the 1950s or even that GSD wants to bring us back to the 1950s (though I wouldn't put it past him). I'm saying the sentiment that drives that mentality is the same.

Dude, I could just as easily say the same of you and your irrational hatred of Biden. And this is why we never get anywhere nor does it do us any good to continue harping on this shit.
 
randman1 said:
For the lemmings that think media Factcheckers and mainstream media are even trying to report the facts or truth.

" Now, former executive editor for The Washington Post Leonard Downie Jr. and former CBS News President Andrew Heyward have released the results of their interviews with over 75 media leaders and concluded that objectivity is now considered reactionary and even harmful. Emilio Garcia-Ruiz, editor-in-chief at the San Francisco Chronicle said it plainly: “Objectivity has got to go.”

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I need to get an official ruling...

Is FoxNews considered "mainstream media?"
 
carolinablue34 said:
No, more like I've tried. You don't accept anything I say for whatever convoluted reason you can come up with, we get into a battle of semantics, and it goes nowhere. Not doing it.


You misunderstood me. I'm not saying Trump brought us back to the 1950s or even that GSD wants to bring us back to the 1950s (though I wouldn't put it past him). I'm saying the sentiment that drives that mentality is the same.

Dude, I could just as easily say the same of you and your irrational hatred of Biden. And this is why we never get anywhere nor does it do us any good to continue harping on this shit.
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LOL and jeebus christmas, seriously? I talk about the border insanity and you say I dwell on it like it's of no consequence. That's not hatred, that's a reality. It's an actual thing. It's concrete. I talk about the economy. I talk about the botched exit from Afghanistan. In talk about the irrationality of student loan forgiveness. I talk about a lot of other actual concrete realities and you dismiss my trying to discuss them with you as convoluted reasons for not discussing them with you?

All I ask for is something concrete in return, and ALL i GET FROM YOU IS THAT TRUMP IS A JERK. No wonder you don't want to go down that road any more.

I don't hate Biden irrationally like you hate Trump. I had great disdain for Biden since many, many years ago while he was still in the Senate, back when he had no hair and yellow teeth. And a collection of plagiarized speeches. My disdain for him has become outright animosity not because he's a jerk but because of how he is fvcking up the country.
 
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bluetoe said:
LOL and jeebus christmas, seriously? I talk about the border insanity and you say I dwell on it like it's of no consequence. That's not hatred, that's a reality. It's an actual thing. It's concrete. I talk about the economy. I talk about the botched exit from Afghanistan. In talk about the irrationality of student loan forgiveness. I talk about a lot of other actual concrete realities and you dismiss my trying to discuss them with you as convoluted reasons for not discussing them with you?

All I ask for is something concrete in return, and ALL i GET FROM YOU IS THAT TRUMP IS A JERK. No wonder you don't want to go down that road any more.

I don't hate Biden irrationally like you hate Trump. I had great disdain for Biden since many, many years ago while he was still in the Senate, back when he had no hair and yellow teeth. And a collection of plagiarized speeches. My disdain for him has become outright animosity not because he's a jerk but because of how he is fvcking up the country.
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You don't 'discuss' anything. More like get angrily pissed off. I talk about all those things too. And then it's more 'you're an idiot', 'I don't accept ____ link because it's liberal or MSM'. That's not a discussion. That's you dictating. I have offered plenty beyond the idea that Trump is a jerk. You just don't accept any of it as valid because it's your parameter of what's legitimate criticism and what isn't. Evidently your Overton window is much wider than mine.

And I have plenty of rational reason to hate Trump. Considering what he said a day ago and what he'd do if in office against people like me, I'd say he's a genuine threat both on a personal level and for the country at large.

Do you actually want to have a real discussion in good faith? Because much of the time, I really don't think you do.
 
carolinablue34 said:
I talk about all those things too.
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no you don't. You only say Trump is a jerk, and that you are for or against this or that. You never try to discuss actual, concrete problems or acknowledge that the left is guilty of causing any of them. Example; our Southern border has been invaded by around 5 million illegals, which have been scattered all around the country.. Biden is responsible. Biden is a leftist. Am I lying?
 
Heels Noir said:
Marjorie Taylor Greene weaves racism into her outrageous lies today on the House floor (video)
$5.1 billion? This dumb redneck broad is to Congress what bluetoe is to this message board: encapsulated ignorance and disinformation.
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wow, her little clit must really be sore this morning. Guess I was a little too hard on the Beaver yesterday.

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carolinablue34 said:
Lol none of this has to do with my personal issues, but way to irrationally project.

By what objective measure were things so amazing under Trump? It has all the trappings of someone who worships the 1950s as the 'good ole days.' Reality is different than merely having a President we like in office.
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One word, INFLATION!
 
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carolinablue34 said:
You don't 'discuss' anything. More like get angrily pissed off. I talk about all those things too. And then it's more 'you're an idiot', 'I don't accept ____ link because it's liberal or MSM'. That's not a discussion. That's you dictating. I have offered plenty beyond the idea that Trump is a jerk. You just don't accept any of it as valid because it's your parameter of what's legitimate criticism and what isn't. Evidently your Overton window is much wider than mine.

And I have plenty of rational reason to hate Trump. Considering what he said a day ago and what he'd do if in office against people like me, I'd say he's a genuine threat both on a personal level and for the country at large.

Do you actually want to have a real discussion in good faith? Because much of the time, I really don't think you do.
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what I want is to actually have a discussion about presidential malfeasance on the job, and not yet another diatribe on how rotten Trump is personally.
 
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carolinablue34 said:
Lol none of this has to do with my personal issues, but way to irrationally project.

By what objective measure were things so amazing under Trump? It has all the trappings of someone who worships the 1950s as the 'good ole days.' Reality is different than merely having a President we like in office.
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Lowest unemployment ever maybe and definitely for black Americans. First time in a long time the majority of increased income went to the middle and lower income people.

Highest median income ever and bigger gains in 3 years than the prior 20.

World peace breaking out.

All sorts of things until the Deep State launched the Covid/toxic vax operation.
 
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bluetoe said:
our boy excels in using rhetorical devices. This one is called a red herrring. That's a separate argument slipped in as a distraction from the actual one at hand. It has elements of strawman because it still pertains to so-called disinformation; but having to choose, I think I would go red herring in this case.

Wait, let's ask him. @blazers , was this a strawman or a red herring?
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@bluetoe neither.
 
bluetoe said:
no you don't. You only say Trump is a jerk, and that you are for or against this or that. You never try to discuss actual, concrete problems or acknowledge that the left is guilty of causing any of them. Example; our Southern border has been invaded by around 5 million illegals, which have been scattered all around the country.. Biden is responsible. Biden is a leftist. Am I lying?
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Then you haven't read or been listening to poasts where I've criticized the left multiple times.

As for the border, if anyone is honest with themselves, they'll admit that neither side actually has a serious concrete plan to address the border and stand to benefit each election cycle by letting it simmer for as long as possible. And while the situation is horrendous under Biden, to call him solely responsible ignores that the border also wasn't great under Trump or Obama or Bush.

'Invasion' is also hyperbole. Invasion denotes people coming with spears and axes coming to conquer your land. These are immigrants. Illegal, yes. But immigrants all the same.

bluetoe said:
what I want is to actually have a discussion about presidential malfeasance on the job, and not yet another diatribe on how rotten Trump is personally.
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Again, something that we just won't see eye to eye on.
 
carolinablue34 said:
And while the situation is horrendous under Biden, to call him solely responsible ignores that the border also wasn't great under Trump or Obama or Bush.
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lol, this is exactly what I'm talking about. Anyone with one eye and half a brain understands that Biden is not only just opening the doors to the invaders, but he is scattering them all over the country and providing them room and board and a telephone. But Trump, who tried mightily to stem the flow while being thwarted at every turn by the dems, should shoulder his share of the blame. As I indicated, you offer NO concrete evidence of Trump being responsible for the horrendous border situation...you just mouth empty words. And I could go on and on about what he did and what Biden is doing, and so could you....if you weren't so toxically biased.

GTFO, with this and with trying to convince that you're up for reasonable debate. Because it always comes back to Trump, doesn't it, and with nothing of substance to back it up.


carolinablue34 said:
'Invasion' is also hyperbole. Invasion denotes people coming with spears and axes coming to conquer your land. These are immigrants. Illegal, yes. But immigrants all the same.
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this is just lame. Can't you do better than this? From dictionary.com...

noun:
-an act or instance of invading or entering as an enemy, especially by an army.
-the entrance or advent of anything troublesome or harmful, as disease.
-entrance as if to take possession or overrun: the annual invasion of the resort by tourists.
-infringement by intrusion.

They hate it in Florida when those hyperbolic tourists come in with their spears and axes. LMAO.
 
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