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tarheel0910 said:
I think part of the problem is that these things that you think are true, aren't true. You posted several of them, but let's just talk about Epps. There's no evidence that Epps is an FBI plant. He has testified saying he wasn't. The problem with a conspiracy theory is that it's a self perpetuating myth. He's an undercover FBI guy, so if he tells us he isn't, it proves he is. It's one of those things you can't disprove if you want it to be true.
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well OK, but did he collude with Russia? Or did he say he didn't? If he said he didn't, does that mean he did? Because you know, a conspiracy theory like collusion with Russia is a self-perpetuating myth. It's one of those things you can't disprove if you want it to be true.

Oh, but wait...shit, I have no idea what any of that means. LOL.
 
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nctransplant said:
Was the dumbass guy with the fur hat and face paint an early one? Hell they were opening doors for him.
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I've linked the vid of him going thru a door that is broken into while people around him are also breaking into windows. There is also vid of him being asked to leave.

IMO the cops were in a tough position because they were outnumbered by people who weren't waving guns. Option a) shoot gunless people who are mostly just trying to push you out of their way to get deeper into the building, or option b) accept that you are helpless and flounder about while waiting for orders from chain-of-cmd which don't really materialize quickly, so you follow people asking them to leave and not destroy anything while hoping they don't overwhelm you, mace you, beat you with a flag or provoke you to draw your gun.

And when "push came to shove", which is when rioters got too close to the congressmen they were threatening, they finally shot someone.
 
Heelicious said:
Plus, there are hours of tape of antifa in their black riot gear, or of them changing into DJT gear (with their trademark MAGA cap on backwards to identify each other), and of the radio communication and precise coordination, sophisticated Capitol breaching and wall climbing gear, actual people like Ray Epps (FBI) and other well known past antifa protest agitators - who led the groups to and into the Capitol on that day, but for some reason these agitators and instigators go free, while doing way more illegal, harmful stuff than most that are still rotting in jail for a possible trespass.

It's all on tape if people want to look it up. Or read about it by people who have done extensive investigative reporting of facts over the last two years. Are people too lazy to look this stuff up? Or they should just admit that it blows up their preferred preset narrative that J6 was only a bunch of Trumpers out of control, who somehow for the first time ever, learned in a few minutes before DJT was even done speaking, to access equipment and communication and a plan and tools to breach the Capitol.

Yep - that seems totally logical and believable - best explanation of what really happened.
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Links?
 
gunslingerdick said:
Were they hyped up by Antifa? Maybe. I can certainly believe that. It is not a leap at all to make that conclusion based on previous actions from that group.
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The proud boys led the charge. Watch this 17 mins vid:


This matches the testimony by oath keepers too.
gunslingerdick said:
I believe many knew about it and purposely chose to not to beef up security in hopes that something like this would happen. I believe those that knew and decided not to act on the info in hopes something like this would happen got more than they bargained for
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Possibly, but you say this as if those on the security side were all in the pocket of Soros.

Tons of cops, fbi, dhs, Cap police etc are conservatives. That doesn't mean they're maga, but it certainly means they aren't scheming to allow J6 to be become a riot (unless they actually wanted the transfer of power stalled).
 
America isn't far from 50/50 conservative/liberal on terms of voters at least. So for every arg that security let J6 happen to make Trump and maga look bad, the same arg could be made that security was intentionally slack to help overthrow and stall the certification by Pence.

The security let-down is fascinating to me for the reasons above.
 
blazers said:
Largely in charge? False - https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...osi-isnt-in-charge-capitol-police/8082088002/
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this is such low-rent journalism it hurts me to even read it. Nobody said she was in charge of the Cap police on J6, but that is the charge the article keeps answering repeatedly. To suggest she was in direct control of the cops at any time is ludicrous, but on J6 if she WAS in charge of the cops, it would have been too late to have beefed up security in place. Not having beefed up security in place in response to warnings of trouble is what she has been charged with, and yes she is guilty of that.
 
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heelmanwilm said:
Well yes it’s just a guess. I have to guess since I don’t trust either side to be anywhere near truthful about it. I draw my own conclusions based on what I know to be true. I don’t suck at the teat of either party or base opinions on hate of either. If I’m wrong so be it. But i’ll never be wrong out of loyalty to a political agenda or hero worship of a politician.
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you seemed so much more adamant when this line of discussion was started. Is it just me?

I might generally agree about being wrong due to misplaced loyalty or hero worship, but even that might be better than reading tea leaves.

The next time you opine, be prepared to substantiate your position. I won't tell you twice.

















:D
 
blazers said:
I've linked the vid of him going thru a door that is broken into while people around him are also breaking into windows. There is also vid of him being asked to leave.

IMO the cops were in a tough position because they were outnumbered by people who weren't waving guns. Option a) shoot gunless people who are mostly just trying to push you out of their way to get deeper into the building, or option b) accept that you are helpless and flounder about while waiting for orders from chain-of-cmd which don't really materialize quickly, so you follow people asking them to leave and not destroy anything while hoping they don't overwhelm you, mace you, beat you with a flag or provoke you to draw your gun.

And when "push came to shove", which is when rioters got too close to the congressmen they were threatening, they finally shot someone.
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There's also a video of him telling the others it's time for them to leave. This happened when the police asked him to leave. There's also proof of the J6 committee adding sound to CCTV. Wonder why those honest folks would do that?
 
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The guy filming Ashli Babbit when she was killed and who talked the cops into moving by falsely claiming cops were being beaten, was and is an Antifa guy. He had others with him, and they were not the only group.
 
blazers said:
I've linked the vid of him going thru a door that is broken into while people around him are also breaking into windows. There is also vid of him being asked to leave.

IMO the cops were in a tough position because they were outnumbered by people who weren't waving guns. Option a) shoot gunless people who are mostly just trying to push you out of their way to get deeper into the building, or option b) accept that you are helpless and flounder about while waiting for orders from chain-of-cmd which don't really materialize quickly, so you follow people asking them to leave and not destroy anything while hoping they don't overwhelm you, mace you, beat you with a flag or provoke you to draw your gun.

And when "push came to shove", which is when rioters got too close to the congressmen they were threatening, they finally shot someone.
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He walked through an open door then, right?
 
blazers said:
The proud boys led the charge. Watch this 17 mins vid:
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This matches the testimony by oath keepers too.

Possibly, but you say this as if those on the security side were all in the pocket of Soros.

Tons of cops, fbi, dhs, Cap police etc are conservatives. That doesn't mean they're maga, but it certainly means they aren't scheming to allow J6 to be become a riot (unless they actually wanted the transfer of power stalled).
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Around the 6 minute mark, that's Ray Epps there and his guys, not the Proud Boys. The video is full of it as the first breach that happened with Epps team occurred before the Proud Boys arrived.
 
blazers said:
The proud boys led the charge. Watch this 17 mins vid:
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This matches the testimony by oath keepers too.

Possibly, but you say this as if those on the security side were all in the pocket of Soros.

Tons of cops, fbi, dhs, Cap police etc are conservatives. That doesn't mean they're maga, but it certainly means they aren't scheming to allow J6 to be become a riot (unless they actually wanted the transfer of power stalled).
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They are lying. Samsel had no ties to the Proud Boys. Even the NYTs reported that in writing.

Here is the video of the first breach. The man whispering jnto Samsel's ear is Ray Epps.

 
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blazers said:
The proud boys led the charge. Watch this 17 mins vid:
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This matches the testimony by oath keepers too.

Possibly, but you say this as if those on the security side were all in the pocket of Soros.

Tons of cops, fbi, dhs, Cap police etc are conservatives. That doesn't mean they're maga, but it certainly means they aren't scheming to allow J6 to be become a riot (unless they actually wanted the transfer of power stalled).
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There ya go again, it's a NYTimes video, that pillar of the complete and entire truth without any bias whatsoever, correct? Just like citing USAToday as a fact checker.

And, just for what it's worth, I agree with you about the tons of cops, FBI, police etc being conservative. In fact, I'd say that more than half lean towards that direction and disagree with the liberal, woke agenda. But that type of comment and reference is a total slight of hand.

It doesn't matter what the cop on the beat or the officer working a detail thinks. She or he has marching orders from on high. And, I can assure you that the police chiefs, etc. are decidedly not conservative. Most got to where they are because they are political animals and they are the ones making policy and determining rules of engagement etc. I'm not saying they schemed or wanted J6 to happen through some big conspiracy, but that's no less likely than orange doing it. (Still waiting for all that evidence that schiffty has on the donald and russia, russia, russia).

I mean, I'm now supposed to believe that it was the maga repubs who wanted to defund the police????
 
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blazers said:
The proud boys led the charge. Watch this 17 mins vid:
View embedded media


This matches the testimony by oath keepers too.

Possibly, but you say this as if those on the security side were all in the pocket of Soros.

Tons of cops, fbi, dhs, Cap police etc are conservatives. That doesn't mean they're maga, but it certainly means they aren't scheming to allow J6 to be become a riot (unless they actually wanted the transfer of power stalled).
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Also, the guy doesn't deserve to be savagely beaten, tortured and denied bail. Nor is he affiliated with the Proud Boys.

" "He has definitely suffered serious injuries, including a shattered orbital floor, a broken orbital bone, his jaw was broken, his nose was broken," Pasqualini said, adding that Samsel is currently unable to see out of his right eye and may permanently lose vision in it."

www.cbsnews.com

Capitol riot defendant "viciously and savagely" beaten by guard in Washington, D.C. jail, lawyer says

The attorney says Ryan Samsel had his hands zip-tied before being "viciously and savagely" beatan by a guard in the facility.
www.cbsnews.com www.cbsnews.com
 
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blazers said:
@Heelicious said it, echoing Facebook or tucker or other disinfo.
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well then, I guess @Heelicious is where they got that information from, lol. And I'll believe that's echoing 'Tucker' and other 'disinfo' when I see it. Meanwhile, you can't successfully deflect from the fact that the article wrongly focuses on Pelosi not being in charge of the cops during the protest on that day, which has never been seriously contended. The author obviously knows better simply because he had enough of a brain to produce the article. To think that Pelosi had direct control of the cops at any time is plainly stupid...she was barely adequate as a Representative, her being capable of directing cops during a riot is sheer idiocy. What she had control of and responsibility for was the arrangement of adequate security beforehand...and why she didn't adequately arrange for that is the actual question we keep asking.

If you bother to read further into the article, after the attempted deflection has been presented, it says that an investigation would be looking into that failure to arrange better security, clearly delineating that concept from that of her directly controlling the Cap cops.
 
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The official January 6 story, as parroted by the New York Times, the Wall Street Journal and HBO, is that the Proud Boys’ arrival at the Peace Monument at 12:48 p.m. is what sparked a sudden breach. But the fact that FenceCutterBulwark and other key operators (until now ignored by mainstream media) were already waiting in place while the Proud Boys’ were still a mile away eating lunch suggests a more sinister possibility: foreknowledge of an imminent breach at this exact location.

If it were just FenceCutterBulwark hanging out near the breach site before the Proud Boys’ arrival, we might chalk it up to coincidence. But the presence of multiple key breach figures waiting here seems too much to be coincidental. In the below video, continuously recorded between 12:40-12:50 p.m., you will see Ray Epps already in position at the exact walkway entrance the breach team will pry open, at least six minutes before they arrive (in fact, we know he was there 45 minutes before they arrived too)."



|https://www.revolver.news/2021/12/damning-new-details-massive-web-unindicted-operators-january-6/
 
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bluetoe said:
What she had control of and responsibility for was the arrangement of adequate security beforehand...and why she didn't adequately arrange for that is the actual question we keep asking.
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Show me ANYTHING which says Pelosi has more influence (control and responsibility) for security or Capitol police than Mitch McConnel. They may have a few indirect influences, but that type of security is far from their duties, and if she's culpable at all, so is Moscow Mitch.

You cannot, so you and heelicious can finally stfu on this matter.
 
blazers said:
Show me ANYTHING which says Pelosi has more influence (control and responsibility) for security or Capitol police than Mitch McConnel. They may have a few indirect influences, but that type of security is far from their duties, and if she's culpable at all, so is Moscow Mitch.

You cannot, so you and heelicious can finally stfu on this matter.
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That lie was started the day or the day after Jan6
 
blazers said:
America isn't far from 50/50 conservative/liberal on terms of voters at least. So for every arg that security let J6 happen to make Trump and maga look bad, the same arg could be made that security was intentionally slack to help overthrow and stall the certification by Pence.

The security let-down is fascinating to me for the reasons above.
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this is supposed to be a joke, right? It wasn't leftists plotting to keep security lax (in spite of received warnings of a need to beef it up substantially), in order to frame Trump as an insurrectionist; it was 100 unarmed right wingers plotting to overthrow the government (who somehow kept those received warnings on the down low). Sure, you could make that argument. Any idiot who didn't mind being thoroughly ridiculed for trying WAY too hard could do that.

LMAO.
 
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blazers said:
Show me ANYTHING which says Pelosi has more influence (control and responsibility) for security or Capitol police than Mitch McConnel. They may have a few indirect influences, but that type of security is far from their duties, and if she's culpable at all, so is Moscow Mitch.

You cannot, so you and heelicious can finally stfu on this matter.
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McConnell and Pelosi shared responsibility along with others. Who says otherwise?

But the going explanation is that one of those other parties, the House SAA who reports to Speaker of the House Pelosi and who makes that call, did not want more security because of 'optics' (whatever that actually means). Who do you think directed that? Mitch McConnell, who has the Senate SAA reporting to him? Or Pelosi, who the House SAA who made the 'optics' call reported to?

And don't even try contending that Pelosi had no say. Of course she did. No one in the position of that SAA would make a decision like that without running it upstairs first.
 
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gunslingerdick said:
Hahahahah....that 17 minute video from the NYT. lol
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it's pretty damning. "hey, I'm outside at the front door, where are you?" Wow. Just wow. I wouldn't believe it if I hadn't heard it. I mean, why would someone try to locate someone else by cell phone if they weren't plotting the destruction of America?

I also liked the typical commentary, such as when the video shows several men walking toward the camera..."here they are approaching the barricades". You had to imagine there were barricades, but then you had to imagine a lot in that video....unless you already had your mind made up.
 
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UNC '92 said:
Another step toward common sense protection of women. I am happy for the women I care about in my life, as well as women everywhere, that there are people who still want to protect them from males seeking to destroy their identity.

Post-pubescent males seeking attention as women athletes fail to convince the world they are girls
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Huge. I wonder how many people this effects.
The group added that there are “currently no transgender athletes competing internationally in athletics and consequently no athletics-specific evidence of the impact these athletes would have on the fairness of female competition in athletics.”
 
blazers said:
Huge. I wonder how many people this effects.
The group added that there are “currently no transgender athletes competing internationally in athletics and consequently no athletics-specific evidence of the impact these athletes would have on the fairness of female competition in athletics.”
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matter of time, libtard. matter of time. it’s your type that causes this rule to even be made to start with.
 
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blazers said:
Huge. I wonder how many people this effects.
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affects, not effects. See below.

I parked my car where it was blocking a fire hydrant. I wonder how many people this affected. It didn't look like it was affecting anyone at all. I don't know why they put up a sign saying not to park there, unless it was just for its officious effect.
 
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my god some of these questions being asked of the tik tok ceo. Just how fuking stupid can you be and get elected these days? It’s mind boggling. “Sir, is it true that tik tok accesses your home internet??!!” Smfh
 
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heelmanwilm said:
my god some of these questions being asked of the tik tok ceo. Just how fuking stupid can you be and get elected these days? It’s mind boggling. “Sir, is it true that tik tok accesses your home internet??!!” Smfh
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I wonder if he's going to ask if Guam has tipped over yet because of all the people going to one side of the island. There are morons on both sides, but I defy anyone to try and top this in terms of elected idiocy.
 
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