I’m not denying I’d be an idiot to accept the left’s claims. I’ve formed my opinion based on what I saw posted in the months prior by these groups, live as it unfolded on tv, and the resulting arrests and convictions. Imo certain far right groups violently entered the capitol and assaulted police with the intent of disrupting the constitutional transfer of power. No doubt some people were caught up in the mob mentality and some were just along for the shits and giggles.
no offense, but I think you're missing the part where Antifa approached protesters and asked them to riot and destroy stuff. Because, it isn't plausible that they (Antifa) would simply start destroying shit and rioting without asking protesters to get involved on their behalf. If they didn't make their intentions known, it didn't happen. Because that would have been sneaky and sneakiness wouldn't have been allowed.
Edwards nor Clinton was charged/convicted in this same scenario. Edwards was charged and found innocent. This DA claimed he would get Trump as a campaign platform. This will not turn out well for the Dems.
The point of my post had to do with the timing of the indictment, assuming there actually is one. As I predicted, nothing would happen today and it was just being used for fundraising. Unfortunately, I get nothing for being right.
Yep - a DJT felony like cross walking to Trump Tower. A felony because TDS.
There is proof and it's been discussed, shown and publicly available for some time, even right after Jan 6.
LOL I know. Maybe they can stack on top of each other or make a separate sculpture for dudes and one for others 😏
And the police escorting some of the people through the capital?
I know. But it served me well as a tee for my mini-tirade. Just so you don't go home empty-handed, I award you 300 bluetoe points that you can redeem at any Lums.
You don't have to guess. It's all on video.
I don’t know. Were they doing it for the early arrivals? Is that what they typically do? Seems to me there’s several possibilities more likely than a conspiracy.
have you seen the video(s) that @randman1 referenced above? if so, what is your response to those actions seen in the video? you cannot ignore them ... what is your opinion of it?
Think what you want. I just explained how I arrived at my opinion is all. It’s not defensive nor knee jerk but the result of months if not years of admittedly half assed following the events. Just stating why I feel how I do. My opinion on things is always subject to change as evidence presents itself and no difference here. You have some proof that antifa or the fbi instigated violence I’ll listen.
My opinion is that anything presented by @randman1 is a lie. Period. And yes I sure as fuk can ignore it and I will. If you wanna make a point with me about anything the worst possible thing you can do is link that flaming dumbfuk
So uh…..the fbi being behind the Jan 6 violence is logical to you? Well if not believing such mind numbingly stupid partisan maga delusional bull shit without any credible supporting evidence puts me on your mtn then please do it. I’ll stand there proudly.
Well yes it’s just a guess. I have to guess since I don’t trust either side to be anywhere near truthful about it. I draw my own conclusions based on what I know to be true. I don’t suck at the teat of either party or base opinions on hate of either. If I’m wrong so be it. But i’ll never be wrong out of loyalty to a political agenda or hero worship of a politician.
To be clear I despise antifa, their message, their methods…all of it. If they had anything to do with Jan 6 I would lead the chorus in calling for their heads. But To me without any evidence I’m aware of blaming them just seems like an out for trump supporters to deflect blame. That seems more logical of a conclusion to me.
Was the dumbass guy with the fur hat and face paint an early one? Hell they were opening doors for him.
Plus, there are hours of tape of antifa in their black riot gear, or of them changing into DJT gear (with their trademark MAGA cap on backwards to identify each other), and of the radio communication and precise coordination, sophisticated Capitol breaching and wall climbing gear, actual people like Ray Epps (FBI) and other well known past antifa protest agitators - who led the groups to and into the Capitol on that day, but for some reason these agitators and instigators go free, while doing way more illegal, harmful stuff than most that are still rotting in jail for a possible trespass.
Yep - DJT and others warned Pelosi (who is largely in charge of Cap Police) several times in the days before J6, and she and the Cap PD did/said nothing. Why?
understood .. but the video evidence is there. have you viewed it, and if so, what is your take?
I think part of the problem is that these things that you think are true, aren't true. You posted several of them, but let's just talk about Epps. There's no evidence that Epps is an FBI plant. He has testified saying he wasn't. The problem with a conspiracy theory is that it's a self perpetuating myth. He's an undercover FBI guy, so if he tells us he isn't, it proves he is. It's one of those things you can't disprove if you want it to be true.
It’s not “what I think is true” - it’s what I and everyone can visually see on tape. What you’re saying is like “I think the sun rises in the east because I heard it from some tabloid rag”. No - I and everyone can visually observe these things. What you can visually observe doesn’t require some blind faith or preconceived belief.
No, I say it's not true because of evidence and interviews. You're interpreting things in a way that you want it to be. Listen, I think you are a good poster (other than your tl;dr posts
) and you tend to be open minded, but for whatever reason you, and others here, just want to ignore certain things or interpret them based on your feelings when it comes to politics. Things have become so politicized that things that we should all agree on have become an us vs them.
Lol that guy is a flake. I don’t think he even knew what he was protesting
I agree with your criticism of the lack of preparedness. We actually agree on more than we disagree on here. In fact I don’t know why it makes a difference really. The idiots doing the stupid shit either did it on their own, as part of a some sort of group, or they were duped/instigated into doing it. All the same they did stupid shit.
Epps is an interesting focal point. "There's no evidence that Epps is an FBI plant." Well, there is certainly no evidence that you believe and that includes that he testified he wasn't. Considering who's been doing the investigating, I wouldn't expect there to be evidence released to us minions if he was involved. So, maybe you're right. The thing that's so odd is the behavior of Epps that is known and how that type of thing has gotten so many others charged and prosecuted. Maybe Epps is just really lucky. Maybe he knew just how far to push it. Maybe.
Except his behavior isn't unexplained. It's been explained by him and there is evidence to back up what he is saying. This stuff isn't hidden. A quick Google search will tell you all of this. You're seeing black hats where there are no black hats because you want to see them. Like I said earlier, it's self perpetuating.
