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[randman1]

" A federal prosecutor admitted in court papers that three D.C. Metropolitan Police Department undercover officers acted as provocateurs at the northwest steps of the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021.

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Officer 1 repeatedly joined in chants of “Drain the swamp!” and “Our house! Our house! Our house!”

A little closer to the Capitol, the video captures a protester shouting, “Joe Biden! We wanna hear you speak, you [expletive] pedophile satanist [expletive]!”

A short time later, Officer 1 joined the crowd in a “USA!” chant, repeating the phrase five times.

At the foot of the northwest stairs, someone leaned part of a bicycle rack against the balustrade. As a protester climbed up the makeshift ladder, Officer 1 shouted, “C’mon, man, let’s go! Leave that sh*t.”

Officer 1 got help from a protester climbing onto the balustrade of the steps. Then, surveying the people moving up the staircase, he shouted, “C’mon, go, go, go!”

Officer 1 encouraged the crowd to move up the stairs with repeated shouts, “Keep going! Keep going!” and “Keep going, keep going, come on!”…

…“At other times in these videos, the officer and the two other plainclothes officers with him appear to join the crowd around them in various chants, including “drain the swamp,” “U.S.A.! U.S.A.! U.S.A.!”, and “Whose house? Our house!”

https://redstate.com/bonchie/2023/0...utors-desperately-try-to-hide-footage-n721425

 

[randman1]

JANUARY 6 CARE PACKAGE

The opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.

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[pooponduke]

could be very interesting

evidently the Proud Boys were fairly thoroughly infiltrated with FBI informants on Jan. 6. They are going to testify about J6 in the trials of several PB people, and they'll have information about all goings-on in the crowd. You know the defense attorneys are going to ask about Antifa agitators.

I apologize if this is old news.

Damn,man you really believe this shit…

Since his link is directly to a MSN article, seems like you'd be in agreement.

Jan. 6 Attorney Straight Up Asked DOJ Lawyers If More Witnesses Were FBI Informants. They Said ‘Nothing’

 

[randman1]

Covenant School shooter identified as 28-year-old Audrey (Aiden?) Hale (he/him)

twitchy.com

 

[heelmanwilm]

Covenant School shooter identified as 28-year-old Audrey (Aiden?) Hale (he/him)

twitchy.com

Over a hundred mass shootings this year this far and you haven’t said jack fuking shit about any of them…..until now. Why is that?

 

[randman1]

Over a hundred mass shootings this year this far and you haven’t said jack fuking shit about any of them…..until now. Why is that?

The media and you guys, including the Nashville mayor, blaming guns and also the fact the demoncats and their pals are constantly pushing hate and hysteria towards Christians, and now one of them targets 9 year olds.

Also this one happened today.

And I've wondered how many serious drugs you can pump into people, including hormones and, I think, steroids, and not see stuff like this happening. These are incredibly powerful drugs in the amounts taken.

 

[heelmanwilm]

The media and you guys, including the Nashville mayor, blaming guns and also the fact the demoncats and their pals are constantly pushing hate and hysteria towards Christians, and now one of them targets 9 year olds.

Also this one happened today.

And I've wondered how many serious drugs you can pump into people, including hormones and, I think, steroids, and not see stuff like this happening. These are incredibly powerful drugs in the amounts taken.

Oh so the hundred or so other mass shootings this year didnt warrant being mentioned by you since they weren’t Christians being targeted by someone that calls themselves trans. Wow! Funny how that’s PRECISELY what I figured!! What are the chances?!! I must be a mind reader huh? Kind of reminds me of how you’re so….SO……(cough)…..concerned (eye roll)….about “the children” being read stories by cross dressers yet you never once condemned or even mentioned the THOUSANDS of incidents of child rape performed by and covered up by members of YOUR religion and its leadership for decades now. Across the globe! Actually Tens of thousands!! Not grooming, not inappropriate hugs, not lustful glances….. but actual RAPE. Actual penetration of underage boys by grown men of YOUR faith. And what’s your response? Crickets. Nothing. Nada. So Weird. Can’t help but think you don’t have a problem with someone bending a boy over an altar so long as that person prays to the right god. Is that what it is? Seems to me there’s a double standard at play here doncha think? Wait, dos this make you a (gasp!) ….religious fuking hypocrite??!!! NO FUKING WAY!!! Dang I guess being a fpos delusional liar wasn’t enough so you’ve expanded your horizons. At least try to be original though skippy, religious hypocrisy is vastly overdone. Sending thoughts and prayers for your salvation.

 

[bluetoe]

hey, anybody seen CB34 lately?

 

[randman1]

Oh so the hundred or so other mass shootings this year didnt warrant being mentioned by you since they weren’t Christians being targeted by someone that calls themselves trans. Wow! Funny how that’s PRECISELY what I figured!! What are the chances?!! I must be a mind reader huh? Kind of reminds me of how you’re so….SO……(cough)…..concerned (eye roll)….about “the children” being read stories by cross dressers yet you never once condemned or even mentioned the THOUSANDS of incidents of child rape performed by and covered up by members of YOUR religion and its leadership for decades now. Across the globe! Actually Tens of thousands!! Not grooming, not inappropriate hugs, not lustful glances….. but actual RAPE. Actual penetration of underage boys by grown men of YOUR faith. And what’s your response? Crickets. Nothing. Nada. So Weird. Can’t help but think you don’t have a problem with someone bending a boy over an altar so long as that person prays to the right god. Is that what it is? Seems to me there’s a double standard at play here doncha think? Wait, dos this make you a (gasp!) ….religious fuking hypocrite??!!! NO FUKING WAY!!! Dang I guess being a fpos delusional liar wasn’t enough so you’ve expanded your horizons. At least try to be original though skippy, religious hypocrisy is vastly overdone. Sending thoughts and prayers for your salvation.

Um, the 100 or so? LOL.
I don't doubt there have been but suspect you have never bothered to check into them and yet call me a hypocrite. I seriously doubt you have any sort of real feeling say for the kids being shot down in Chicago and elsewhere or the cartels raping so many trying to cross the border.

Spare me the faux, self-righteous display of false piety and indignation. It doesn't work.

Your weak attempt to deflect from the obvious has failed. We shouldn't be targeting autistic women to confuse them that they are transgender. It's wrong and likely has a good bit to do with what happened here.

And in case you don't know, I am not Catholic. But it is those of your woke faith trying to normalize raping boys, calling such people Minor Attracted People, and it is people like yourself backing grooming those boys and girls for such sexual exploitation.

 

[heelmanwilm]

Um, the 100 or so? LOL.
I don't doubt there have been but suspect you have never bothered to check into them and yet call me a hypocrite. I seriously doubt you have any sort of real feeling say for the kids being shot down in Chicago and elsewhere or the cartels raping so many trying to cross the border.

Spare me the faux, self-righteous display of false piety and indignation. It doesn't work.

Your weak attempt to deflect from the obvious has failed. We shouldn't be targeting autistic women to confuse them that they are transgender. It's wrong and likely has a good bit to do with what happened here.

And in case you don't know, I am not Catholic. But it is those of your woke faith trying to normalize raping boys, calling such people Minor Attracted People, and it is people like yourself backing grooming those boys and girls for such sexual exploitation.

Yea dumbass, over 100. Look it up. You’re saying Catholics aren’t Christian? And btw it’s not just Catholics by far as with what I just posted last week or so about the pastor and his taste for child porn which btw you didn’t have a prob with either. Seems obvious the only people normalizing boy rape are you and your friends. Do y’all get together and swap fantasies while doodling the noodle? I bet you do. And my indignation for people like you is anything but faux. You don’t give a rats fuking ass about protecting children. You only want to posture your sci fi holier than thou bullshit religious beliefs cause you’re so insecure in your manhood and so terrified the mean men wearing dresses might kick your lily ass.

 

[randman1]

Yea dumbass, over 100. Look it up. You’re saying Catholics aren’t Christian? And btw it’s not just Catholics by far as with what I just posted last week or so about the pastor and his taste for child porn which btw you didn’t have a prob with either. Seems obvious the only people normalizing boy rape are you and your friends. Do y’all get together and swap fantasies while doodling the noodle? I bet you do. And my indignation for people like you is anything but faux. You don’t give a rats fuking ass about protecting children. You only want to posture your sci fi holier than thou bullshit religious beliefs cause you’re so insecure in your manhood and so terrified the mean men wearing dresses might kick your lily ass.

LOL.

Seriously, man. Your party and those with your belief system are the ones grooming small children for sex, gender and racist exploitation, and quite open about it.

The fact there are pedophiles in the ministry helps illustrate my point since Christians condemn such men whereas you vote for them and applaud them. They are your heroes.

Btw, you don't seem bothered by the Christians, even the 3 nine year olds, being murdered. Why is that?

 

[bluetoe]

nice punch. Nice COUNTERpunch.

What round is it?

 

[bluetoe]

 

[tarheel0910]

Oh so the hundred or so other mass shootings this year didnt warrant being mentioned by you since they weren’t Christians being targeted by someone that calls themselves trans. Wow! Funny how that’s PRECISELY what I figured!! What are the chances?!! I must be a mind reader huh? Kind of reminds me of how you’re so….SO……(cough)…..concerned (eye roll)….about “the children” being read stories by cross dressers yet you never once condemned or even mentioned the THOUSANDS of incidents of child rape performed by and covered up by members of YOUR religion and its leadership for decades now. Across the globe! Actually Tens of thousands!! Not grooming, not inappropriate hugs, not lustful glances….. but actual RAPE. Actual penetration of underage boys by grown men of YOUR faith. And what’s your response? Crickets. Nothing. Nada. So Weird. Can’t help but think you don’t have a problem with someone bending a boy over an altar so long as that person prays to the right god. Is that what it is? Seems to me there’s a double standard at play here doncha think? Wait, dos this make you a (gasp!) ….religious fuking hypocrite??!!! NO FUKING WAY!!! Dang I guess being a fpos delusional liar wasn’t enough so you’ve expanded your horizons. At least try to be original though skippy, religious hypocrisy is vastly overdone. Sending thoughts and prayers for your salvation.

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[UNC '92]

hey, anybody seen CB34 lately?

Seriously though, when we're talking mental illness, I'm on board for some gun legislation improvement around the country. I know that dude would have just ended up buying weapons illegally, but at least we didn't pave the way for him.

 

[tarheel0910]

I'm on board for some gun legislation improvement around the country. I know that dude would have just ended up buying weapons illegally, but at least we didn't pave the way for him.

I agree with that, although I think more focus should be put on mental health. We need to keep people from feeling like they need to do this in the first place.

 

[dadika13]

I agree with that, although I think more focus should be put on mental health. We need to keep people from feeling like they need to do this in the first place.

So obviously mental health is a huge piece of anyone who is sick enough to go to a school to shoot children...but man, it's hard to come to terms with the fact that European countries spend just as much per capita on mental health as we do, have just as many trans people, are even more liberal than us and per capita their school shootings are basically zero compared to the US. The huge difference between us and them is the access to guns.

Stricter access to guns and removal of assault weapons from the general population in the United States, to me, is the first, second, third, thirteenth, etc. way to limit the number children are being murdered in school. There's no other real fundamental difference between us and the European nations who don't have school shootings than that.

But none of the southern conservatives on here will even remotely concede that point so it's pointless arguing it on here so I'll go back to complaining about our lack of transition offense now.

 

[pooponduke]

Yea dumbass, over 100.

Not sure what this means as the devil is always in the details and how things are defined for purposes of anyone's given agenda. Not so long ago, I know they lowered the number of what was considered "mass" and, of course, I highly doubt that the urban, drug/gang related shootings are excluded from that citation. In other words, a bunch of criminals shoot up each other gets counted as a mass shooting when what we really think of in practical terms is what happened yesterday. Not that those deaths are any less tragic, but what we really mean when we generally refer to mass shootings are the situations of innocent victims being targeted in some random occurrence. You'll have to forgive me if I doubt the veracity of the quoted numbers reflecting the reality.

It's very similar to the now often cited study that firearms are the leading killer of children in our country over other causes. Admittedly, it's way too many, but the study has serious flaws. One such example is that the definition of "minors" dying from firearms to include 18 and 19 year old's. Yes, the numbers include everyone from birth until someone turns 20. Thus, those adults are counted as "children" including all the aforementioned criminal activity in this age group. So, I'm not debating that any whatsoever are too many "mass shootings", but I have a healthy dose of skepticism as to the accurate numbers of what we are really talking about.

 

[tarheel0910]

So obviously mental health is a huge piece of anyone who is sick enough to go to a school to shoot children...but man, it's hard to come to terms with the fact that European countries spend just as much per capita on mental health as we do, have just as many trans people, are even more liberal than us and per capita their school shootings are basically zero compared to the US. The huge difference between us and them is the access to guns.

So is their mental health programs the same as ours? Do men go at a higher rate there? Is prescription medicine easier to get for mental health? There's about 100 different questions you can have other than per capita spending. Spending is irrelevant if you don't use it wisely. We obviously need to do a better job with that. And if I'm being honest, I'm not exactly sure how you do that. But I do know that you need to treat the cause, not the symptoms. Also, the last time I checked Europe consist of a decent amount of countries. I'm assuming if you break it down by country that there would be no difference, correct?

Stricter access to guns and removal of assault weapons from the general population in the United States, to me, is the first, second, third, thirteenth, etc. way to limit the number children are being murdered in school. There's no other real fundamental difference between us and the European nations who don't have school shootings than that.

I've already said that I would be in favor of some restrictions. Define assault weapons for me, though. And if there is no real fundamental difference other than guns, then I thank you for answering the questions I posed about mental health comparisons between us and European countries.

 

[heelmanwilm]

Not sure what this means as the devil is always in the details and how things are defined for purposes of anyone's given agenda. Not so long ago, I know they lowered the number of what was considered "mass" and, of course, I highly doubt that the urban, drug/gang related shootings are excluded from that citation. In other words, a bunch of criminals shoot up each other gets counted as a mass shooting when what we really think of in practical terms is what happened yesterday. Not that those deaths are any less tragic, but what we really mean when we generally refer to mass shootings are the situations of innocent victims being targeted in some random occurrence. You'll have to forgive me if I doubt the veracity of the quoted numbers reflecting the reality.

It's very similar to the now often cited study that firearms are the leading killer of children in our country over other causes. Admittedly, it's way too many, but the study has serious flaws. One such example is that the definition of "minors" dying from firearms to include 18 and 19 year old's. Yes, the numbers include everyone from birth until someone turns 20. Thus, those adults are counted as "children" including all the aforementioned criminal activity in this age group. So, I'm not debating that any whatsoever are too many "mass shootings", but I have a healthy dose of skepticism as to the accurate numbers of what we are really talking about.

FBI classifies 4 or more killed not including shooter as a mass shooting

 

[pooponduke]

Seriously though, when we're talking mental illness, I'm on board for some gun legislation improvement around the country. I know that dude would have just ended up buying weapons illegally, but at least we didn't (have to?) pave the way for him.

I added something as I wasn't sure what you meant in the last sentence??? I am always interested and try my best to remain open to ideas that could improve things. But, the specifics matter. What does it mean when you say "gun legislation improvement"? It's like saying

removal of assault weapons from the general population

What does that even mean? What is an assault weapon? It's a great thing to say, but what does it actually mean?


Much of this is also just unrealistic. We don't get to waive our Harry Potter wands and eliminate the over 300 million firearms in this country. We don't get to waive our wands and eliminate the ability to illegally import them or manufacturer them (we don't even stop the illegal activity at our borders as it is).

Simply comparing countries and saying the only difference is guns is way too simplified. We have massive differences in our all histories and cultures. We have massive differences in our politics and morals.

What happened to the basic value of life? Why is the answer to this situation the limiting of law abiding citizens to access their firearms? It used to be someone would get robbed, they'd give up their wallet and everyone lived. Now, the person is likely to get shot and then robbed. This is a much deeper rooted problem in our society and eliminating guns from the hands of those that follow the law explicitly doesn't get to the core problems.

 

[heelmanwilm]

Just to be clear I’m not blaming guns or religion for murder or child abuse. Nor am I blaming sexual preference, parenting, video games, hormones, hair color, trump or the uh….”demoncrats”. To level a powerful weapon at a 9yr old and pull the trigger takes a special kind of hate that I can’t even fathom. I hate it that the coward pos is dead. I would want her to spend the rest of her miserable life in a box living the consequences of her actions. Death is too good for people like this.

 

[dadika13]

What does that even mean? What is an assault weapon? It's a great thing to say, but what does it actually mean?

Assault weapon - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Much of this is also just unrealistic. We don't get to waive our Harry Potter wands and eliminate the over 300 million firearms in this country. We don't get to waive our wands and eliminate the ability to illegally import them or manufacturer them (we don't even stop the illegal activity at our borders as it is).

So you don't want to legally remove a deadly weapon because you think that people could still get them illegally?
So you propose we legalize heroin? Prostitution? Bombs? I can get all of those things illegally also.

This is where logic of 2nd Amendment nuts is just bonkers.

This is a much deeper rooted problem in our society and eliminating guns from the hands of those that follow the law explicitly doesn't get to the core problems.

The problem is guns. You can't point to one statistic that is the difference between us and Europe in terms of mental health. I can point you to the sheer number of guns in our population vs. theirs.

Again, I'm done arguing this shit with conservatives in the south. It's pointless. More kids die, Ts and Ps.

 

[pooponduke]

FBI classifies 4 or more killed not including shooter as a mass shooting

And of what you claim is the FBI's number documenting over 100 "mass" shootings since Jan. 1, how many have been criminal circumstances like drug deals, robberies, home invasions, etc. versus situations where someone shot their way into a private Christian school and killed three nine year old's and three adults?

 

[heelmanwilm]

Defining assault rifle is kinda like defining porn. You know it when you see it. There’s a reason every military on the globe uses a certain style of weapon. It’s cause they’re the most effecient at killing people. I’m not saying I favor banning them but if you’re trying to define them that’s where I’d start.

 

[heelmanwilm]

And of what you claim is the FBI's number documenting over 100 "mass" shootings since Jan. 1, how many have been criminal circumstances like drug deals, robberies, home invasions, etc. versus situations where someone shot their way into a private Christian school and killed three nine year old's and three adults?

I have no idea. You asked I answered. Not sure what the difference is anyway. Are we only concerned about gun violence when cute people are killed?

 

[pooponduke]

Assault weapon - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Citing Wiki that refers to a dozen or so different possibilities of what is or isn't defined as an assault weapon depending on who does the defining. Thanks for proving my point and not offering any response whatsoever as to what YOU meant when YOU referred to removing assault weapons.

So you don't want to legally remove a deadly weapon because you think that people could still get them illegally?

Before one takes a legislative action, there should be an actual causal relationship between the problem, the proposed solution, and the anticipated result. Then, once that is actually established, one has to weight the benefits against the detriments. For example, we could propose that all trains not be driven over 15 mph so as to not derail and cause toxic chemical release. But is that really the solution to the problem and imagine the other implications of what that would do.

So you propose we legalize heroin? Prostitution? Bombs? I can get all of those things illegally also.

You've again proven my point. All of those things are currently crimes in most places and, yet, you "can get all of those things illegally also." Simply making something illegal doesn't make it go away. It's much more complicated than that. "This is where logic of [gun grabbers] is just bonkers."

You can't point to one statistic that is the difference between us and Europe in terms of mental health.

There are vast differences between our country and each of those in Europe. I'm not a mental health expert and didn't stay in a Holiday Inn Express last night, so I can't really break this down. However, I would assert that anyone who takes the life of another (not just shootings) that isn't in a war or self-defense/defense of others situation, by definition has a mental health issue. Which circles us back to the problem of valuing life in general. I just can't imagine doing that to someone and that being the solution to any challenge that I face.

 

[heelmanwilm]

It’s obvious shooting kids in school is a thing with these nuts. Schools should be secure. Don’t know the circumstances with this one yet but just like airplane cockpit doors school entrances private or public should be inaccessible to the public.

 

[pooponduke]

Defining assault rifle is kinda like defining porn. You know it when you see it. There’s a reason every military on the globe uses a certain style of weapon. It’s cause they’re the most effecient at killing people. I’m not saying I favor banning them but if you’re trying to define them that’s where I’d start.

"There’s a reason every military on the globe uses a certain style of weapon." You are not wrong, but those are not what we are talking about as every military uses fully automatic weapons which are already illegal unless one goes through a very rigorous and costly process to obtain special licensing from the Feds. And your choice of words was accurate because you said "style of weapon." Ok, they look menacing. Guess we need to start banning cars that look like they can go faster than the speed limit as well. Actual function and design doesn't matter.

 

[pooponduke]

It’s obvious shooting kids in school is a thing with these nuts. Schools should be secure. Don’t know the circumstances with this one yet but just like airplane cockpit doors school entrances private or public should be inaccessible to the public.

Agree with this and I would go further to put armed security in the schools, if nothing else, as a deterrent.

I have watched video where the person shot through two locked glass doors to gain entrance. It's also been reported that the shooter was a former student of the school and there was a manifesto. I'm guessing things haven't been so quickly released because this a political hot potato in that the shooter was apparently a biological female that was a trans man. There has apparently been a huge uproar in Tenn recently over activists threatening politicians due to proposed legislation involving trans' issues. I don't know the details of any of that, but I am totally guessing that this may have been part of the motivation here.

 

[heelmanwilm]

"There’s a reason every military on the globe uses a certain style of weapon." You are not wrong, but those are not what we are talking about as every military uses fully automatic weapons which are already illegal unless one goes through a very rigorous and costly process to obtain special licensing from the Feds. And your choice of words was accurate because you said "style of weapon." Ok, they look menacing. Guess we need to start banning cars that look like they can go faster than the speed limit as well. Actual function and design doesn't matter.

The military doesn’t choose weapons cause they look menacing. And most any “style” can be full auto even handguns. The function and design of certain weapons auto or not facilitates killing people. You can “what about” all you like but that’s the fact. And once again I’m not saying I favor a ban nor do I have any interest in “grabbing” anything from you. It’s obvious there needs to be a discussion here. Don’t you agree?

 

[heelmanwilm]

Agree with this and I would go further to put armed security in the schools, if nothing else, as a deterrent.

I have watched video where the person shot through two locked glass doors to gain entrance. It's also been reported that the shooter was a former student of the school and there was a manifesto. I'm guessing things haven't been so quickly released because this a political hot potato in that the shooter was apparently a biological female that was a trans man. There has apparently been a huge uproar in Tenn recently over activists threatening politicians due to proposed legislation involving trans' issues. I don't know the details of any of that, but I am totally guessing that this may have been part of the motivation here.

Haven’t seen the video yet but… glass doors? Smfh.

Okay just saw the video. Wow. That is not what I would consider a secure entrance. You could probably kick those glass panels in.

 

[blazers]

Much of this is also just unrealistic. We don't get to waive our Harry Potter wands and eliminate the over 300 million firearms in this country. We don't get to waive our wands and eliminate the ability to illegally import them or manufacturer them (we don't even stop the illegal activity at our borders as it is).

You cannot solve the problem overnite, but why not consider things that could help in the long-term? What's wrong with doing things now to diminish it a decade or two from now?

If the country acted in the 90's things would be different today.

 

[tarheel0910]

So is their mental health programs the same as ours? Do men go at a higher rate there? Is prescription medicine easier to get for mental health? There's about 100 different questions you can have other than per capita spending. Spending is irrelevant if you don't use it wisely. We obviously need to do a better job with that. And if I'm being honest, I'm not exactly sure how you do that. But I do know that you need to treat the cause, not the symptoms. Also, the last time I checked Europe consist of a decent amount of countries. I'm assuming if you break it down by country that there would be no difference, correct?


I've already said that I would be in favor of some restrictions. Define assault weapons for me, though. And if there is no real fundamental difference other than guns, then I thank you for answering the questions I posed about mental health comparisons between us and European countries.

You still researching the questions, @dadika13 or are you having a hard time reconciling that someone in the south would be ok with some type of restrictions? Or is it possible that nuance for a complicated issue is too much for you today? I can understand if you're upset about Hubert's new pickup and can't take the time. I'm not impressed with him either.

 

[blazers]

I'm guessing things haven't been so quickly released because this a political hot potato in that the shooter was apparently a biological female that was a trans man.

ZERO people on the left are approaching the matter of mental health issues + gun violence thru a different lens because this bio woman might be trans man. You or right-wing nuts are fabricating and manufacturing some BS.

 

[heelmanwilm]

I will say the law enforcement response was spot on. Get there, engage immediately.

 

[pooponduke]

I have no idea. You asked I answered. Not sure what the difference is anyway. Are we only concerned about gun violence when cute people are killed?

Of course, it doesn't matter how one dies, as almost all deaths are sad. But I think we can all agree that a person who dies at 90 after a life well lived is far different from a 9 year old who succumbs to cancer. One is a cycle of life and one is a horrible tragedy. Thus, circumstance matter.

When one voluntarily engages in criminal activity and suffers a possible outcome of that activity, it's not the same problem as one who randomly gets caught up in something through no action of their own. I mean, if I fall and break my leg because a stairway gives way, that's really unfortunate. If I break my leg because LT throws me down like a ragdoll, that's sad, but not an unexpected possibility of voluntarily playing football. In that scenario, no one would combine football injuries with stairway collapses to suggest we need to ban all future construction of stairways. So, saying that there have been 100 mass shootings is disingenuous if it's really there have been 75 criminal scenarios and 25 mass shootings. The 25 is still a problem that needs to be discussed, but the even bigger problem is the crime and violence that's happening at three times the rate.

And don't kid yourself, in those situations, the bad actors are not going into gun stores and passing any type of background check. Indeed, in most instances, they are committing felonies just by possessing the firearm before a trigger is even pulled.

 

[pooponduke]

Haven’t seen the video yet but… glass doors? Smfh.

Okay just saw the video. Wow. That is not what I would consider a secure entrance. You could probably kick those glass panels in.

Have no idea what the quality of glass was, but I have seen some that would have been pretty tough to get through without mechanical assistance. But it gets back to the point of locking your car, your house, etc. If someone wants in, given enough time, they are coming regardless of what you do. The idea usually is to discourage and buy enough time to get further assistance.

 

[heelmanwilm]

Of course, it doesn't matter how one dies, as almost all deaths are sad. But I think we can all agree that a person who dies at 90 after a life well lived is far different from a 9 year old who succumbs to cancer. One is a cycle of life and one is a horrible tragedy. Thus, circumstance matter.

When one voluntarily engages in criminal activity and suffers a possible outcome of that activity, it's not the same problem as one who randomly gets caught up in something through no action of their own. I mean, if I fall and break my leg because a stairway gives way, that's really unfortunate. If I break my leg because LT throws me down like a ragdoll, that's sad, but not an unexpected possibility of voluntarily playing football. In that scenario, no one would combine football injuries with stairway collapses to suggest we need to ban all future construction of stairways. So, saying that there have been 100 mass shootings is disingenuous if it's really there have been 75 criminal scenarios and 25 mass shootings. The 25 is still a problem that needs to be discussed, but the even bigger problem is the crime and violence that's happening at three times the rate.

And don't kid yourself, in those situations, the bad actors are not going into gun stores and passing any type of background check. Indeed, in most instances, they are committing felonies just by possessing the firearm before a trigger is even pulled.

Okay i just read the number does not differentiate for circumstances so there’s prob something there to look at regarding the who and why. Anyway I’ll just focus on this instance.

 

[heelmanwilm]

Have no idea what the quality of glass was, but I have seen some that would have been pretty tough to get through without mechanical assistance. But it gets back to the point of locking your car, your house, etc. If someone wants in, given enough time, they are coming regardless of what you do. The idea usually is to discourage and buy enough time to get further assistance.

True but if you want to keep a gun man out, or slow them down even, I wouldn’t go with glass. She hardly had to break stride.