Tell me about the masses of people dying, not having their lives saved by good-guys-with-guns, in countries that have gun control.
KFF did in that chart, but CDC (other two chunks of numbers) did just 1-18.
At first I read that as KFC and was trying to remember if the colonel was armed.
tell me about all the mass shootings in a country like Switzerland that has a very high degree of gun ownership and less controls than we have.
It's always about what other countries are doing with you. Have you considered moving to one? My wife is a travel agent and I'm sure she can get you a good rate.
That's actually a really good suggestion. Since we are told repeatedly that the ONLY difference between our country, our lives, our cultures, our society, our governmental systems, our economies, our freedoms, etc. is that we have this terrible presence of firearms, it would seem that that those screaming such claims would be thrilled to move to the gun free utopias in Europe. You may have identified a niche for your wife to exploit. Hmmm, since we are mirrors except for guns, I wonder if she should also open a European branch office for those that want to move from Europe to American so they can have firearms?
Is there a friends and family rate? If so, I can pretend to be your cousin for the discount. Pretending to be your friend might be too much for me.
I guess since we were raised in close proximity that could work.
this is absolute horsecrap, IYAM. I'm sure those contributions were vetted just as thoroughly as mail-in and drop box votes were in the last election.There was a bunch of time spent here after the last election and the many claims made (still) by our former president. A few of us spoke about the real problem being the things done before and in the lead up to the election that potentially may have had profound impacts. That is, orangeman and his useful idiots complained and moaned after the horse was out of the barn. Here is a video that demonstrates the type of thing we were talking about (although there are many areas of which to complain). And, just to be clear, this type of technique can be used by anyone in theory, not just the D's.
Laughable. American guns per person dwarfs Switzerland, they're less than HALF! And it appears they have more controls.
Not always, but if you can see a contrast with better results, why not look to improve yourself? In this case America is unique regarding guns.
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My wife is checking flights to Switzerland as we speak. I'll need your credit card info asap.
lol, reading comp. is a wonderful thing. Get some. I didn't say number of guns per cap, which is irrelevant unless one is proficient at firing multiple weapons at a time. I said 'high degree of gun ownership'. In other words, how many people out of the total population own a gun. Switzerland has a high degree of gun ownership. And yet the last mass shooting was a lot of years ago. Want to try again?
Gun ownership rate hovers low to mid 40% in the US. What's Swiss?
Let's try that then. Small things add up.
Nope. Check your facts. Open-carry isn't a thing there. And if you transport a gun (to hunting grounds, for example, they have to be unloaded)
How bout include the full quote:
What about New Zealand or Australia, or pretty much any country? We're mostly talking about Europe because Dadika mentioned it, and bluetoe is failing to make Switzerland sound like it is lax on gun control.
I did check my facts. CONCEALED carry isn't a thing there, at least without special consideration. And I already agreed that acquisition is a bit more stringent. Meanwhile, gun ownership is about third down the list behind the U.S. and some other country, and there have been no mass shootings in over twenty years..
You said open carry freely exists:
do you not know the difference between open carry and concealed carry?
I did inlude all of the quote that mattered. I can't control how you ignore whatever you need to in order to think you're making a point. Maybe you should revisit my other post. The verbiage I quoted was to show that HOUSEHOLD with a gun is what matters, since multiple guns don't normally figure in mass shootings. In other words, el Denso, it doesn't matter if I own three thousand assult rifles...I'm only going to shoot you with one of them.
That's a valid point. Population size and history can make a difference between countries. What works for one won't necessarily work for another.
We've already discussed some math and the MAX would be ~25%.
Relative to other countries in EU, but not to US
No. Local cops review gun applications, including discussing the individual with Drs, their fam and friends and past precincts where they lived. They require training. They have age limits. They have limits on high-capacity, and better background checking.
We'll just leave it as you having your facts wrong, thus making wrong conclusions.
we all know that we're never going to agree on gun control laws, but in all seriousness, what's wrong with schools being required to have at least one armed LEO on campus during school hours? this person(s) would be in street clothes, armed discreetly and with access to more weapons on site as needed. they would absolutely stop most of these shootings before they get started.
This is lazy. Your point should be a footnote in the argument, not the reason to end the argument. Differences in places or things don't mean you are forced to ignore stark, unsurprising correlations.
But this didn't stop the 17 deaths at parkland :
#1 problem was that Parkland was WAAAAY too big (3k+) for a single LEO to do anything. the number of LEO's should be base on school size. not cheap, i agree, but we pay for all kinds of stupid useless stuff with our tax dollars, so cost to save lives shouldnt be an issue.But this didn't stop the 17 deaths at parkland :
Ex-deputy: Please don’t blame me for Parkland school deaths
Scot Peterson gives first interview since he was criminally charged.www.tampabay.com
They might help sometimes, but they aren't cheap, nor ideal since at this point they should also be at every grocery store, mall, pretty much everywhere. Like everyone else says, we should address the root problem if we can define it - either mental health or ez access to deadliest weapons .
Never been, but I would imagine Hitler would have loved how it looks.
you're not good at math I see. What are you good at other than presenting erroneous information?
