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OOTB's Political Thread . ..

The truth is always somewhere in the middle. The people who are freaking out and say we're all going to die in the next few years and the people who say nothing is happening are both wrong. Look for the sensible people in the middle. You should really look over that website though. It's very informational and does a good job breaking things down to basics.

Yes. It's unfortunate that the issue has become so politicized. It would certainly help if people weren't freaking out about it and overexaggerating. That just makes people default to denying it. Also, when people make blanket statements like "Republicans don't believe in climate change!!" that makes it political. Obviously there are some Republicans that deny it - but you'll have a lot more success if you don't make it a D vs. R issue.

My issues with this movement are two-fold. First, the people screaming the loudest about this tend to have the biggest carbon footprint. The whole thing comes off as implementing austerity measures. Second, what do you do about places like China and India, which is where a lot of the issue is coming from? Do you go to war over this climate change idea?

Mine too. It's tough for many to take it seriously after finding out its biggest advocates whip around in their gas guzzling private jets, with a "do as I say, not as I do" mentality. Also, the China/India part of the equation is huge, and I haven't heard a good solution for this yet. There are people like Strum out there that say, "well, you can only control yourself" and think that making a change that affects a small percentage of the problem and banking on the other countries to "do the right thing" will work. I'm generally of the belief that ensuring the biggest parts of problems are fixed, not just banking on others to follow the golden rule, is important. It'd be good to get an answer for what they'll do to fix the problem as well.
 
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Yes. It's unfortunate that the issue has become so politicized. It would certainly help if people weren't freaking out about it and overexaggerating. That just makes people default to denying it. Also, when people make blanket statements like "Republicans don't believe in climate change!!" that makes it political. Obviously there are some Republicans that deny it - but you'll have a lot more success if you don't make it a D vs. R issue.
Agreed

It'd be good to get an answer for what they'll do to fix the problem as well.
I don't think there is really a good way to stop other countries from doing it. I just try to not contribute much to the problem. That allows me to feel good about myself and I can look down on other people.
 
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The solution has to be economical. It needs to be cheaper for other countries to eliminate their emissions than to carry on burning carbon based fuels. That’s the only way to guarantee it happens.
 
The solution has to be economical. It needs to be cheaper for other countries to eliminate their emissions than to carry on burning carbon based fuels. That’s the only way to guarantee it happens.

Agreed. And hopefully we figure out a way to make that happen (obviously without the US paying some sort of subsidy to make it that way, which would be stupid).

Other countries (mainly China) will go with whatever's cheapest.
 
I like to burn a pile of tires on Earth Day. That allows me to feel good about myself and others can look down on me.
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Yes. It's unfortunate that the issue has become so politicized. It would certainly help if people weren't freaking out about it and overexaggerating. That just makes people default to denying it. Also, when people make blanket statements like "Republicans don't believe in climate change!!" that makes it political. Obviously there are some Republicans that deny it - but you'll have a lot more success if you don't make it a D vs. R issue.
The reason most people believe "Republicans don't believe in climate change!!" is because Donald Trump doesn't believe in climate change and I've not heard one republican buck him on it.
 
The reason most people believe "Republicans don't believe in climate change!!" is because Donald Trump doesn't believe in climate change and I've not heard one republican buck him on it.
Of note, nearly two-thirds of Republicans (64%) now believe in climate change, a 15 point jump from just under half (49%) three years ago.

https://www.monmouth.edu/polling-institute/reports/MonmouthPoll_US_112918/

Republican Rep. Carlos Curbelo embodies ...Climate change is a top priority for Curbelo, who has regularly criticized Trump on several issues. He’s introducing legislation today that taxes carbon emissions, with at least one fellow Republican, Curbelo said. He’s a co-founder of a bipartisan House caucus that acknowledges climate change.

https://www.axios.com/climate-chang...red-821fab52-254a-4620-b84d-c303b7b22c27.html

Here's some more.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-climatechange-congress-idUSKBN16M235
 
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The reason most people believe "Republicans don't believe in climate change!!" is because Donald Trump doesn't believe in climate change and I've not heard one republican buck him on it.

Probably because there are much bigger issues like stagnant wages, authoritarian leftists, and the left's war on free speech.
 
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Of note, nearly two-thirds of Republicans (64%) now believe in climate change, a 15 point jump from just under half (49%) three years ago.

https://www.monmouth.edu/polling-institute/reports/MonmouthPoll_US_112918/

Republican Rep. Carlos Curbelo embodies ...Climate change is a top priority for Curbelo, who has regularly criticized Trump on several issues. He’s introducing legislation today that taxes carbon emissions, with at least one fellow Republican, Curbelo said. He’s a co-founder of a bipartisan House caucus that acknowledges climate change.

https://www.axios.com/climate-chang...red-821fab52-254a-4620-b84d-c303b7b22c27.html

See, taxes on carbon emissions just makes me think about austerity. How long till only rich people can afford to drive a car?
 



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It's necessary to have to correctly explain to these people, without being abrasive or denigrating, the explanation of it being really cold outside and therefore there is no global warming. They confuse weather with climate. And the extreme weather is what they need to be paying attention to. The term global warming has proved to be ineffective. It's confused people, obviously.
 



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It's necessary to have to correctly explain to these people, without being abrasive or denigrating, the explanation of it being really cold outside and therefore there is no global warming. They confuse weather with climate. And the extreme weather is what they need to be paying attention to. The term global warming has proved to be ineffective. It's confused people, obviously.

I agree with all of what you said. But Inhofe probably understands it already. He was paid off by the Koch Brothers and Big Oil. It’s his followers we need to focus on.
 



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It's necessary to have to correctly explain to these people, without being abrasive or denigrating, the explanation of it being really cold outside and therefore there is no global warming. They confuse weather with climate. And the extreme weather is what they need to be paying attention to. The term global warming has proved to be ineffective. It's confused people, obviously.
Don’t confuse extreme weather with extreme climate!
 
Word is out that Dershowitz attended a few of Epstein's parties. This was reported many months ago. Don't know if it's true but it was reported.

Yeah, the article mentions that two girls have come out against Dershowitz. The whole thing is pretty f'd up. I know I invoked Clinton's name, but I also want to make it clear that Epstein had friends on both sides of the isle. This isn't a Dem vs Rep thing for me, this is a really f'd up situation where the guy only served 13 months for trafficking in underage women. Trump was friends with the guy too, which makes me wonder if he knew what was going on and said nothing.
 
It looks like some of the Finnish people have had enough as well.

https://voiceofeurope.com/2019/03/f...apists-and-pedophiles-in-controversial-video/

They're forming groups of people to go out and smash pedos and rapists.

Soldiers of Odin is not a new group. They also have extensive ties to far right groups and Neo-nazis. Now you're commending psychotic vigilantism because you don't like immigrants?

They can claim they're just going after rapists and pedophiles but they indiscriminately target immigrants and use violence against them.
 
Soldiers of Odin is not a new group. They also have extensive ties to far right groups and Neo-nazis. Now you're commending psychotic vigilantism because you don't like immigrants?

They can claim they're just going after rapists and pedophiles but they indiscriminately target immigrants and use violence against them.

I'm not condoning anything. I'm posting about the reality that mass immigration and globalism has wrought. I don't necessarily agree with the Proud Boys either, but I understand why they were formed.

BTW, do you have any article talking about their ties to neo-Nazies? Because I would like to peruse the article to learn more about them.
 
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