The trump campaign was working with Russians to undermine the election and you clearly don’t care. That piece of information invalidates your question.
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Mueller disagrees with you and so do I. And you are too ashamed to answer the question. It's well known the DNC and Clinton campaign were the ones working with foreign actors to undermine the election.
Mueller doesn’t think he could bring charges. That does not mean he thinks the Trump Campaign didn’t work with Russia. It says so in the report. Moments ago you said those actions would bother you. Now you say he didn’t do anything illegal. FTR, you can disseminate information with foreign adversaries as long as you didn’t break the law to obtain said information. It’s a technicality.
It would not surprise me about Clinton. They are dirty. The DNC is shameful. However, I doubt it’s a well-known fact or she would be in jail. If they are guilty, so be it.
I have never seen you criticize Trump or the Republican Party.
Maybe you should reread thru some threads. I have never been a fan of Trump's twitter usage. I am a fan of his policies. I'm not a fan of his personal life but he without sin cast the first stone. As far as the RNC there are many things I don't care for but to me they are the lesser of 2 evils.
And I really love the fact that Trump makes Dems fricken crazy.
I still haven’t figured out what policies he actually has. Regarding making libs cry, I hate that shit. I hated when Obama trolled the right. Just furthers the divide.
Just FTR, you don’t have a problem with the trump team legally working with Russians to torpedo Hilary?
Once again, according to Bobby 3 Sticks he didn't. And of course you still won't answer my question. The basis for the whole investigation was based on bought and paid for untrue dirt on Trump by the DNC and some butthurt assholes in the FBI.
He's just raging, like a lot of them are right now. Give him a few months to cool off.
Exactly. The whole investigation was based on some BS info that the Clintons bought from some Russian guy through an ex-MI6 agent. The whole friggen investigation was based off a lie. Now they couldn't find any proof of collusion, but instead of just saying that they're innocent because they don't have any proof, they're trying to spin it to sound like he's still guilty, absent of said proof. Meanwhile, people like ticket are eating it up because they're so anti-Trump.
Nothing to add, just want to be in on this behemoth of a thread. lol
If I were to bet, I would say that the findings could potentially cause an objective person to see that Clinton and the DNC colluded as well. Both sides are capable of, and do, whatever they believe will give them the upper hand. They're all FOS, and always will be. That's why I felt very confident that the Mueller report would not do anything to Trump. It's more important to keep the system corrupt than bring down one of the culprits.
This way, partisans are kept happy.
This way, partisans are kept happy.
I already thought you were, if that matters to you.
It's pretty obvious at this point in time that Seth Rich is the one who leaked the information. An independent investigation has already said that the leak didn't happen via an online hack. They said the rate of the download would indicate something along the lines of a usb drive. That would mean that the hack was an inside job. Then, days later, Seth Rich (a Democrat operative and Bernie Sanders supporter) gets randomly murdered outside his apartment. Gee, I wonder how that all went down?
From what I have seen:
The report does make crystal clear all of the items...
So, people who support Trump, and the Republicans who have glued themselves to the Donald, will be glad to swallow that. Hell, you can spin that into a necessity, or "The Democrats do it, too" (which they do). And, there's the cycle of stink in American politics and government. The people in government get first dibs, and rarely go to jail. The ones who are second at the trough DO go to jail. And, the American people get fvcked, no matter what.
The report does make crystal clear all of the items...
- "openly and repeatedly obstructed justice (or instructed subordinates to do so),
- solicited foreign interference, and
- lied to the public on a daily basis on matters related to the legality of his campaign's conduct and his conduct thereafter."
So, people who support Trump, and the Republicans who have glued themselves to the Donald, will be glad to swallow that. Hell, you can spin that into a necessity, or "The Democrats do it, too" (which they do). And, there's the cycle of stink in American politics and government. The people in government get first dibs, and rarely go to jail. The ones who are second at the trough DO go to jail. And, the American people get fvcked, no matter what.
At this point, can anyone argue that this whole investigation wasn't just a gigantic waste of time, money, and resources?
When it's the government investigating itself... what else CAN it be?
So, he's guilty, but not guilty enough to charge with anything? This whole thing is weird.
How did he work with Russia? I haven't seen anything saying he activity worked with them. I'm just going off of a bunch of news articles, but I know you read the report.
If they would have just listened to us from the start then they wouldn't have been so disappointed.
I thought @ticket2ride04 said he read it in the report? Maybe I misunderstood. I don't care enough about it to read the whole thing.
Isn't that the result of most of these types of investigations?
Most stuff never gets investigated. They didn't really investigate the fast and the furious, even though it got a US citizen killed.
He was reading at the same time I was. They stood a better chance at obstruction. Trump made some request that his advisors did not follow through on.
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Like I said before, it's all a fvcking show. The system doesn't benefit from bringing-down its own. People in the higher-ups of our government are hardly the most likely to ever land in a courtroom, let alone a jail cell. The Clinton's are prime examples of that. Hell, any of them! I mean, you'll see a congressman here or there, if they REALLY screw up! Jesse Jackson, Jr., for example.
The issue I have with that is Trump isn't part of the establishment. Whatever you think of him, he isn't part of the D.C. status quo, which is why he won. I think it was just a deflection tactic to keep Trump busy. The Dems didn't want anyone looking at their own stuff, so they made up this Russian collusion angle and turned it into a giant shit show. I just find it weird that this whole investigation is about Trump getting information from the Russians to use on Clinton, but the investigation is based off the Steele dossier which was Clinton paying the Russians for information on Trump.
Hollywood is in total meltdown mode. This may approach 2016 levels of triggering. I'm waiting until I see people outside howling at the moon or openly weeping.
Here's a great article by Glenn Greenwald, one of the last true journalists, on the Mueller report.
https://theintercept.com/2019/04/18...ssia-conspiracy-theories-he-obliterated-them/
https://theintercept.com/2019/04/18...ssia-conspiracy-theories-he-obliterated-them/
Glenn is on the m'fing warpath! He's straight taking it to MSNPC and NPCNN.
I know these clips are from FOX, but that's because the other stations have banned him while having people call him a Russian agent.
I know these clips are from FOX, but that's because the other stations have banned him while having people call him a Russian agent.
The report is stating that they didn’t feel they had enough evidence to bring charges against a sitting president and it’s not under their purview to recommend impeachment. They also clearly said they could not confirm Trump did not commit obstruction and collusion. They are basically handing it over to congress and putting the ball in their court.
The report is stating that they didn’t feel they had enough evidence to bring charges against a sitting president and it’s not under their purview to recommend impeachment. They also clearly said they could not confirm Trump did not commit obstruction and collusion. They are basically handing it over to congress and putting the ball in their court.
They're trying to shift the burden of proof. They don't have enough proof to hit Trump with collusion, so instead of saying that, they say that they can't exonerate him. Exonerate him from something that you don't have the proof to prosecute him for? Most of us would call that innocence, but they're trying to make the claim that he's guilty until proven innocent. That's just straight up irresponsible and idiotic.
So the working with Russians was the Trump tower meeting? I misunderstood what you were saying. I thought you meant there was something new discovered. It certainly is a bad thing that they tried to accept dirt from them, but I thought we had already covered that last year.
Supposedly the Tower meeting began as a meeting about adoption. The Russian chick began the convo about Hildabeast.
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