He has a point about people only giving these mass shootings a lot of attention. Chicago is basically a warzone and it doesn't get nearly the amount of national attention it should. Black on black crime seems to be largely over looked.
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Strumm is always up that late, or at least he used to be. Being up that late anymore is rare for me. I'm usually in bed by 11pm. I just thought I would see if I could catch him up at that time. Thanks for another wonderful post where you start off by insulting me. I'll decline to retort this time around. Sometimes you just have to be the bigger man!
Not you personally, but a society of people who have your same beliefs about guns. What you're aiming for is tyranny of the masses, which is why we are a Constitutional Republic and not a Democracy.
There are too many feelings and knee-jerk reactions right now, which is why we shouldn't even attempt to do anything until everyone calms down. I understand the reaction, and it's not out of place. You just can't let that angst control your decisions. That's how you get crap like The Patriot Act.
Semi-auto shotgun with flechette rounds. The guy in Colorado, who shot up the movie theater, did a lot of damage with one of those.
but nobody is even talking about that...the problem is that’s a mindset when any talk is started...that mindset, unfortunately, is within leadership as well.
There is no solution that can work by making guns more strict. The issue isn't the guns, the issue is the mentality of the people.
Why are we talking about guns in the first place? It's because people use them to murder other people. My example is perfectly acceptable to this argument. You just don't like it because it shows that getting rid of guns doesn't work.
Yeah, Cocaine-Mitch, aka Turtle-man, is a giant turd, but I'm happy with what he's doing right now.
McConnell is funny to me. I love how he took advantage of the cocaine Mitch name to raise money.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/time.com/5593273/cocaine-mitch-shirts/?amp=true
Yeah, yeah, yeah...some of you hate me for posting this stuff, but get over it. Real debate, not "I want to debate, but as soon as you disagree with me I call you names "debate", is needed in this country.
Edit: BTW, I would vote for this guy in a half second if he could run for the presidency. He's Trump without the negativity.
Edit: BTW, I would vote for this guy in a half second if he could run for the presidency. He's Trump without the negativity.
A very solid look at Islam, from an Imam who denounces terrorism.
Edit: Is this guy the Martin Luther of Islam?
Edit: Is this guy the Martin Luther of Islam?
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We are talking about guns because people use them to kill a lot of people very quickly. Your example proved that getting rid of guns virtually eliminated that behavior in London.
You could say the reverse is true for other countries. The amount of guns isn't really the root cause.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/nation/gun-homicides-ownership/table/
Interesting article. I think the most important quote is, "A lot of what is going to help mass violence is going to involve broad social changes on all our parts." I think that's what can really cut down on some of these shootings. The root cause is how we act as a society and our history of a gun culture. Addressing those things will truly make a difference.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...have-bipartisan-support-do-they-stop-n1039761
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...have-bipartisan-support-do-they-stop-n1039761
you, as well as others, probably poasted this numerous times after each shooting...each time we wait for people to “calm down”, which is idiotic, we forget and move on...
until the next shooting.
you calm down and stay calm...your angle is clear.
fascinating USA Today article from this week addressing this exact point. it's the unspoken truth of the gun violence issue: blacks can murder blacks, we dont care.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...ago-gun-violence-reporting-varies/1920237001/
i know plenty of anti-CC folks, even right here in the Old North State. just because you're not hearing it does not mean it's not being discussed.
First - there is obviously no single easy solution or one underlying problem or cause that all the mass shootings can be attributed to. That's not what I'm trying to address below, but I think this social fabric should be considered:
One thing I heard yesterday that is so disturbing, but seems accurate to me, is how so many people - (nearly every one of the mass shooters BTW) from teen age through their 30s, 40s, etc....have such messed up or non-existent social relationships and structures. They have no friends, no family that interact with them, no father in the home, or if a father its one that is a horrible monster of a role model, they are abused or ignored in their homes, or have no actual personal face-to-face affirming and loving contact with friends, parents, classmates, coworkers, etc.
They are bullied relentlessly in school, and on social media. In lieu of these affirming, positive personal social relationships, they turn to hours each day of on-line screen time, in very dark places, fantasizing about "getting even" with those who have bullied, abused, wronged or ignored them. They hold up as heroes others who have done these vile, evil acts (shootings).
(Check out the "music band" and the "music genre" the Dayton shooter was involved in: off-the-charts, unspeakable, sick, twisted, evil. Dayton shooter showed his girlfriend on first date - videos of a previous mass shooting - what stable person does this? What friend does not report this?)
Often these persons resort to drugs and alcohol first to cover the pain of being unloved / hated / ignored...then become addicted to the drugs to a point that the drugs severely negatively impact the person's mental and physical health. Not being able to sleep, having disturbing nightmares, glorifying their own planned upcoming martyr death.
I have no idea how to cure or to even start to address this sort of social emptiness and meaninglessness and sickness - but I wish this phenomenon would get more press and attention regarding getting at the root of - and attempting to heal - the psychological condition of almost all of these mass shooters.
@dadika13 - can you show me statistics that prove most (non suicide) gun violence is not black on black? or inner city ... or gang related.
sometimes the truth may SEEM racist, and that's fine ... the truth often hurts.
Since Columbine in 1999 there have been 18 revisions to gun purchasing / ownership laws - all 18 are "more restrictive" (which is fine, that's not the point) ... but gun violence has increased by 330% since 1999 and all throughout those laws and regulations that would supposedly "fix the issue." It's complete BS that more laws will help, it's been proven over and over.
Notice how you added non-suicide after you were proven wrong in the original potentially racist rant you laid out earlier. So you were already shown statistics to show you're wrong.
you cannot cure EVIL. people have been finding ways to butcher and massacre each other since the dawn of man.
yes, single family and abusive households do not help ... violent video games and music do not help ... the internet in general is (as you alluded to) a massive gateway to these shootings. but none of those things listed WILL NEVER GO AWAY.
it's like the 30 people killed each day in America by drunk driving - it will NEVER change bc we love our alcohol and there will always be .1% of idiots that get behind the wheel.
right, i'm willing to admit that i misspoke. nearly 2/3 of all gun deaths are by suicide. then beyond that 80 to 90% (depending on the study) is inner city and black on black. can you prove me wrong?
No. But no one is arguing that gang violence and "inner city" violence (who, news flash, are not just black people) isn't rampant.
The point is that they aren't innocent people usually. Gang members, drug dealers, etc. (who again, are not exclusively black) killing each other is not an issue that most Americans care about. These are bad people killing other bad people. Do you wonder why America isn't up in arms about prison violence? Of course not. Want to join a gang? Guess what, you made a real shitty choice. And on that one, I completely agree that socio-economic problems are the root of that problem and fixing that is the first way to help solve it.
However...
If you can't separate that and innocent people dying from a mass shooter (again, don't care what color that shooter is) who is doing it to literally kill innocent people then I don't know what to tell you.
And on top of that...
Saying "we won't fix a huge problem because we only care about it for certain reasons" is a real shitty reason to not fix a huge problem.
The problem with your post is that a large chunk of those that are shot and killed are just innocent bystanders in Chicago. Why isn't the death of innocent kids just as important as the people killed in mass shootings? Why isn't something that happens 365 days a year not important? You got mad at @bleeduncblue by making a generalization that all them are black, but you're doing the same thing by saying those people are a bunch of drug dealers and thugs.
ETA: Also, how do you know that some of the people that were killed in these mass shootings weren't thugs or drug dealers? Is it because they look like you or they live in the suburbs? For all you know they could have been a horrible person.
plenty as in millions, thousands, hundreds, thirty-six, two on your street?
again, nobody is even talking about cc.
*sigh* This is why people hate congress. There is absolutely no reason to continue with this crap. The guy has been confirmed and he didn't always side with the conservative wing of the court. Move on and do something useful.
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/08/06/nad...for-brett-kavanaughs-white-house-records.html
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/08/06/nad...for-brett-kavanaughs-white-house-records.html
I really don't know much about how to fix the mass shooting issue, but I do know that those who call for massive gun control measures immediately after a mass shooting are generally wrong about everything else, so I'm gonna say massive gun control measures won't work.
There is always a tweet.....
Actually, with the massive rise in the market since BDD took over, that number would be more like 2000 today. See, in 2012, the Dow was around 12,000. Today, the Dow is over 25,000 (thanks in part for the wonderful job Trump has done with the economy). In order to remain consistent, this number would now be 2000 based on % of index.
And you wonder why I won't let you near the cash register other than to bag produce? Now please get a bucket and broom and go clean up the parking lot- someone vomited next to the handicapped spot and it stinks to high hell.
Maybe we are all debating different things. Are we talking about just mass shootings? All gun related violence? Murder in general?
Stricter guns laws will not have the same effect on each.
Whatever the motive or intention or woke points the gun control people have in mind.... even if the intentions are good.... the results inevitably end up in more raw abusive power in the federal government, and loss of freedom to individuals. When / where in the history of mankind has this ended well for citizens (more power in a corrupt, incompetent, brutal government) ? Nazi Germany? Venezuela? Cuba? China? Russia?
This is true for the US-only- man caused-environmental-doom arguments as well. And socialist politicians and policies.
These can be dressed up as woke, and as government betters saving the dumb individuals from themselves and their dumb self-centered actions, but at the center the intent is absolute govt control over every aspect of individuals' lives. Stripping of constitutional freedoms. That's not how this country was founded or the govt was established, (power checked) in the Constitution.
The walking shit stain still has a way to go to even do what Obama did for the market and please forgive me for not taking anything you have to say about the stock market seriously....lol
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I thought Trump was going to turn us into Nazi Germany. I guess maybe it will be a race. We might have to start placing bets on who will win. Maybe we can get @Hark_The_Sound_2010 to set the odds for us.
