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NoleSoup4U said:
Maria chick? Are you talking about Candace Owens? Because if you are, she was a Democrat up until a few years ago, when she was targeted by the Democrats during the Gamer Gate fiasco. She would probably be closer to a Libertarian than a Conservative.
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Right, Candace, my bad. I don't really care what she claims she "used to be" or thinks she is now. She speaks in binary terms too often for me. "the Left" is some universal enemy to her. It would be the same with anyone who believes "the Right" is some eternal monster that is always the culprit for everything that is wrong with society. People like that are too entrenched and indoctrinated in their belief system for me to listen to, or take too seriously.
 
strummingram said:
Right, Candace, my bad. I don't really care what she claims she "used to be" or thinks she is now. She speaks in binary terms too often for me. "the Left" is some universal enemy to her. It would be the same with anyone who believes "the Right" is some eternal monster that is always the culprit for everything that is wrong with society. People like that are too entrenched and indoctrinated in their belief system for me to listen to, or take too seriously.
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I can tell that you really don't listen to her, because nothing you've said is right. The left hates her. The alt-right hates her. Her issue with the Dems are the same issues that over half the country has with them. They're so far gone at this point that there's nothing redeemable about the party. I voted for more Dems in 2016 than Republicans. I voted straight Republican in 2018, and I'll do so again in 2020. I swore I never would support the Republicans after what they did to Ron Paul, but I had to take that back because the other side is totally bat-shit crazy right now. I hope they regain their sanity at some point, because this isn't good for the country at all.
 
NoleSoup4U said:
That's because you think only Conservatives can be white supremacists.
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No, that's not what I said, or meant, or even implied. I dunno if he was a "White Supremacist" or not. He obviously disliked Mexicans. I don't like to refer to people as Conservatives, or Liberals. You're the one insisting he's a "Leftist", not me.

Regarding what you claim his "manifesto" stated (which I never read or saw); It makes no sense to claim you are for universal healthcare, EXCEPT if you're Mexican! That's not universal.

Conservative-minded thought tends to generate things like clan/tribal supremacy. Conservative is keeping the status quo, or even going back to prior mechanisms that used to work. Liberal/progressive is being inclined to try something new, moving toward ideas that haven't been proven, maybe totally unknown. They are polarities of thought, and action, eventually. I think it's a mistake for people to believe they are one OR the other ALL the time. Believing that way tends to deny the existence of the other in yourself, usually at the worst time.
 
strummingram said:
No, that's not what I said, or meant, or even implied. I dunno if he was a "White Supremacist" or not. He obviously disliked Mexicans. I don't like to refer to people as Conservatives, or Liberals. You're the one insisting he's a "Leftist", not me.

Regarding what you claim his "manifesto" stated (which I never read or saw); It makes no sense to claim you are for universal healthcare, EXCEPT if you're Mexican! That's not universal.

Conservative-minded thought tends to generate things like clan/tribal supremacy. Conservative is keeping the status quo, or even going back to prior mechanisms that used to work. Liberal/progressive is being inclined to try something new, moving toward ideas that haven't been proven, maybe totally unknown. They are polarities of thought, and action, eventually. I think it's a mistake for people to believe they are one OR the other ALL the time. Believing that way tends to deny the existence of the other in yourself, usually at the worst time.
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His argument at it's base is the point that I've made to you countless times. You can't offer all this free stuff and then just let everyone into your country. The socialist countries got that memo, which is why it used to be impossible to immigrate to one of them (and still is for a lot of them). If you look at the socialist countries that are taking in mass immigration right now, they're economy is getting crushed. They're having to roll back benefits that the people have paid for their whole life in order it to give to a bunch of immigrants. If you don't think that's not going to cause some friction, you better think again.
 
strummingram said:
Right, Candace, my bad. I don't really care what she claims she "used to be" or thinks she is now. She speaks in binary terms too often for me. "the Left" is some universal enemy to her. It would be the same with anyone who believes "the Right" is some eternal monster that is always the culprit for everything that is wrong with society. People like that are too entrenched and indoctrinated in their belief system for me to listen to, or take too seriously.
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Candace Owens is a useful idiot for the right. They run her out as evidence of how liberals are supposedly racist because they disagreed with her. All she ever talks about is identity politics and how she’s mistreated because she’s black and a so called conservative. You can easily find the clip of Joe Rogan exposing her on his podcast.

Joe: “You don’t think we have to care about the environment?”

Candace: “Not even a little bit (laughing).”

She’s a moron. She’s repeating the same stupid talking points that other clowns like Dave Rubin have been using since he stared taking money from the Koch brothers. She gets completely exposed in this clip. You can see that she isn’t a deep thinker at all. She’s adopted the exact same political views as every other one of these right wing YouTube clowns who make a living off of patreon donations.

 
NoleSoup4U said:
I can tell that you really don't listen to her, because nothing you've said is right. The left hates her. The alt-right hates her. Her issue with the Dems are the same issues that over half the country has with them. They're so far gone at this point that there's nothing redeemable about the party. I voted for more Dems in 2016 than Republicans. I voted straight Republican in 2018, and I'll do so again in 2020. I swore I never would support the Republicans after what they did to Ron Paul, but I had to take that back because the other side is totally bat-shit crazy right now. I hope they regain their sanity at some point, because this isn't good for the country at all.
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See, you speak in that same binary, label-everything mind, too. Everything is on repeat-mode. You could flip that entire post and change the right with the left for a whole other segment of people. You live immersed in a political world view. THAT isn't good for the society at all. People sitting around absorbing confirmation bias 24/7, feeding their fears.
 
NoleSoup4U said:
His argument at it's base is the point that I've made to you countless times. You can't offer all this free stuff and then just let everyone into your country. The socialist countries got that memo, which is why it used to be impossible to immigrate to one of them (and still is for a lot of them). If you look at the socialist countries that are taking in mass immigration right now, they're economy is getting crushed. They're having to roll back benefits that the people have paid for their whole life in order it to give to a bunch of immigrants. If you don't think that's not going to cause some friction, you better think again.
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Okay... and wtf does this have to do with the El Paso guy being a leftist? His argument? He's a murderer. That's his point. Kill the people you believe are inferior or a threat.

Listening to you is like pressing a "Play" button on some Breibart video.
 
uncboy10 said:
Candace Owens is a useful idiot for the right. They run her out as evidence of how liberals are supposedly racist because they disagreed with her. All she ever talks about is identity politics and how she’s mistreated because she’s black and a so called conservative. You can easily find the clip of Joe Rogan exposing her on his podcast.

Joe: “You don’t think we have to care about the environment?”

Candace: “Not even a little bit (laughing).”

She’s a moron. She’s repeating the same stupid talking points that other clowns like Dave Rubin have been using since he stared taking money from the Koch brothers. She gets completely exposed in this clip. You can see that she isn’t a deep thinker at all. She’s adopted the exact same political views as every other one of these right wing YouTube clowns who make a living off of patreon donations.

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She's enough of a deep thinker that AOC ran away from her. The point she makes about the Dems is right on. It's funny that you say she's being used by Conservatives, when the Dems have been using black people for decades. Case in point, anytime a black person breaks away from the group think of the zealots in the party, they immediately get attacked and threatened. Everything you just tried to say about the Conservatives is exactly how the "Liberals" operate.
 
strummingram said:
Okay... and wtf does this have to do with the El Paso guy being a leftist? His argument? He's a murderer. That's his point. Kill the people you believe are inferior or a threat.

Listening to you is like pressing a "Play" button on some Breibart video.
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His views make him a leftist. Personally, it doesn't matter to me what his views are. The only issue that matters is him being a murderer. However, when people like Francis O'Rourke come out and try to put this on Trump, it's time to point out why people like Francis are so full of crap.
 
uncboy10 said:
Candace Owens is a useful idiot for the right. They run her out as evidence of how liberals are supposedly racist because they disagreed with her. All she ever talks about is identity politics and how she’s mistreated because she’s black and a so called conservative. You can easily find the clip of Joe Rogan exposing her on his podcast.

Joe: “You don’t think we have to care about the environment?”

Candace: “Not even a little bit (laughing).”

She’s a moron. She’s repeating the same stupid talking points that other clowns like Dave Rubin have been using since he stared taking money from the Koch brothers. She gets completely exposed in this clip. You can see that she isn’t a deep thinker at all. She’s adopted the exact same political views as every other one of these right wing YouTube clowns who make a living off of patreon donations.

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And, see? You're the same, only you flip the script. "The Right" is the enemy. There are gigantic flaws in BOTH! That system is broken. This left/right paradigm is a total distraction. It's funny because, NoleSoup used to claim that both sides were equally corrupt. I guess he was lying the whole time. He sold-out to become the epitome of right-wing nutjob.
 
NoleSoup4U said:
His views make him a leftist. Personally, it doesn't matter to me what his views are. The only issue that matters is him being a murderer. However, when people like Francis O'Rourke come out and try to put this on Trump, it's time to point out why people like Francis are so full of crap.
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Okay... I'm not talking about O'Rourke, or Trump. I just offered a link that provided the shooter's primary goal- Kill Mexicans. His words! I guess that triggered you to try to defend "conservatives" because they seem to have a lot of white supremacists in their camp (which they do).

Go to a Klan meeting and tell them all you're supporting Bernie Sanders and Liz Warren. See how they react.
 
strummingram said:
See, you speak in that same binary, label-everything mind, too. Everything is on repeat-mode. You could flip that entire post and change the right with the left for a whole other segment of people. You live immersed in a political world view. THAT isn't good for the society at all. People sitting around absorbing confirmation bias 24/7, feeding their fears.
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You think I agree with everything Trump and the Republicans are doing? I have my belief system, and then I have my belief system within the context of reality. It doesn't change for either side. I haven't agreed with everything Trump has done, but I can't think of one thing I agree on with the Democrats at this point. I'm sure I could find some common ground with certain people in the party, but that number is shrinking quickly as most people are either being converted or fleeing the party.
 
strummingram said:
Okay... I'm not talking about O'Rourke, or Trump. I just offered a link that provided the shooter's primary goal- Kill Mexicans. His words! I guess that triggered you to try to defend "conservatives" because they seem to have a lot of white supremacists in their camp (which they do).

Go to a Klan meeting and tell them all you're supporting Bernie Sanders and Liz Warren. See how they react.
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Exactly! You got it! A large portion of the Democratic party is acting like the Klan right now. They don't share the same views, but they hold some truly disturbing views and share the same position on how to get those views implemented. As for the jackass who killed all those people, I 100% agree that the only issue that matters is that he's a murderer.
 
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strummingram said:
And, see? You're the same, only you flip the script. "The Right" is the enemy. There are gigantic flaws in BOTH! That system is broken. This left/right paradigm is a total distraction. It's funny because, NoleSoup used to claim that both sides were equally corrupt. I guess he was lying the whole time. He sold-out to become the epitome of right-wing nutjob.
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Her being right of center has nothing to do with it. There are lots of right of center thinkers that I respect. The problem is she is a shallow minded individual that is paraded as a champion of free thinking by people who happen to be right wing. It is an objective fact that there is a group of YouTube celebrities like Owens and Rubin who make a living pushing ideas like climate change denial, and claims that liberals are actually racist.

We’ve spoken multiple times about the limitations of the left-right paradigm in politics. Were on the same page there. But that doesn’t mean I’m not going to call a spade a spade. She’s pushing a right wing corporatist agenda to people while claiming to be some objective free thinker. Watch the clip and you’ll see what I’m talking about. It has nothing to do with right vs left. It’s about objectivity and honesty vs being a political mouthpiece for the people who fill your coffers.
 
uncboy10 said:
Her being right of center has nothing to do with it. There are lots of right of center thinkers that I respect. The problem is she is a shallow minded individual that is paraded as a champion of free thinking by people who happen to be right wing. It is an objective fact that there is a group of YouTube celebrities like Owens and Rubin who make a living pushing ideas like climate change denial, and claims that liberals are actually racist.

We’ve spoken multiple times about the limitations of the left-right paradigm in politics. Were on the same page there. But that doesn’t mean I’m not going to call a spade a spade. She’s pushing a right wing corporatist agenda to people while claiming to be some objective free thinker. Watch the clip and you’ll see what I’m talking about. It has nothing to do with right vs left. It’s about objectivity and honesty vs being a political mouthpiece for the people who fill your coffers.
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I agree with you about Owens being ... what she is.
 
uncboy10 said:
Her being right of center has nothing to do with it. There are lots of right of center thinkers that I respect. The problem is she is a shallow minded individual that is paraded as a champion of free thinking by people who happen to be right wing. It is an objective fact that there is a group of YouTube celebrities like Owens and Rubin who make a living pushing ideas like climate change denial, and claims that liberals are actually racist.

We’ve spoken multiple times about the limitations of the left-right paradigm in politics. Were on the same page there. But that doesn’t mean I’m not going to call a spade a spade. She’s pushing a right wing corporatist agenda to people while claiming to be some objective free thinker. Watch the clip and you’ll see what I’m talking about. It has nothing to do with right vs left. It’s about objectivity and honesty vs being a political mouthpiece for the people who fill your coffers.
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I've never heard Rubin claim that climate change isn't real. I might have missed it, but I've watched a bunch of his stuff. I wouldn't mind seeing some proof.

As for Rubin, he's hated by the left especially for the fact that he's an openly gay man who left the plantation. Their vitriol for him is the same as it is for people like Owens, Kanye West, and other black people who believe differently from the zealots in the party.
 
uncboy10 said:
Candace Owens is a useful idiot for the right. They run her out as evidence of how liberals are supposedly racist because they disagreed with her. All she ever talks about is identity politics and how she’s mistreated because she’s black and a so called conservative. You can easily find the clip of Joe Rogan exposing her on his podcast.

Joe: “You don’t think we have to care about the environment?”

Candace: “Not even a little bit (laughing).”

She’s a moron. She’s repeating the same stupid talking points that other clowns like Dave Rubin have been using since he stared taking money from the Koch brothers. She gets completely exposed in this clip. You can see that she isn’t a deep thinker at all. She’s adopted the exact same political views as every other one of these right wing YouTube clowns who make a living off of patreon donations.

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Damn... Rogan let her show just how off-the-wall she can be. She sounded wired on something. She was talking 100 miles an hour! And, he just kept letting her explain herself, in her own words. She was uttering a bunch of nonsense.
 
strummingram said:
Damn... Rogan let her show just how off-the-wall she can be. She sounded wired on something. She was talking 100 miles an hour! And, he just kept letting her explain herself, in her own words. She was uttering a bunch of nonsense.
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Rogan always lets people explain themselves, that's why he's a great host. He isn't like the talking heads on TV.
 
strummingram said:
Damn... Rogan let her show just how off-the-wall she can be. She sounded wired on something. She was talking 100 miles an hour! And, he just kept letting her explain herself, in her own words. She was uttering a bunch of nonsense.
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That clip demonstrates the mental gymnastics some people will go to in order to protect their political views. It’s like a perfect video advertisement for confirmation bias.
 
strummingram said:
I already told you... I don't believe ANYONE is a "Conservative." Conservative and Liberal are just polarities.
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Doesn't that contradict the fact that you think a leftist, or liberal, or whatever you want to call them, can't be a white supremacist? It sure seems like a massive contradiction to me.

Edit: FWIW, I agree with your statement. I try not to use Democrats or Republicans unless I'm talking about the actual parties. I try to use words like lefist, alt-right, corporatist, globalist, socialist, and so on, and if anyone ever needs/wants clarification, I'm always willing to clarify.
 
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uncboy10 said:
That clip demonstrates the mental gymnastics some people will go to in order to protect their political views. It’s like a perfect video advertisement for confirmation bias.
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uncboy10 said:
That clip demonstrates the mental gymnastics some people will go to in order to protect their political views. It’s like a perfect video advertisement for confirmation bias.
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Yeah... her entire perspective of the world is through a political filter FIRST. That's a shame for anyone, in my opinion. Because, as Rogan pointed-out, politics is corrupt. Politics only exist because there is chaos and/or disagreement. Now, I am not saying there's no place for politics in society. We have no choice, it's here. And, in spite of political division, things somehow get accomplished. But, in my mind, politics is a poison, it's a weight around the neck of the species. It's a shame that we developed our governing system THROUGH politics.

Anyway, I digress. Owens is so fervently political, that she doesn't realize the impact it is having. She is so partisan and completely lacks objectivity (which is a symptom of partisan politics). It's a shame. It's entirely possible that she can maybe develop a newer understanding that is not so dependent on adhering to some political philosophy. She is intelligent, and articulate. But, she's a little too naive with this blind allegiance to whatever she believes to be "conservative."
 
NoleSoup4U said:
Doesn't that contradict the fact that you think a leftist, or liberal, or whatever you want to call them, can't be a white supremacist? It sure seems like a massive contradiction to me.

Edit: FWIW, I agree with your statement. I try not to use Democrats or Republicans unless I'm talking about the actual parties. I try to use words like lefist, alt-right, corporatist, globalist, socialist, and so on, and if anyone ever needs/wants clarification, I'm always willing to clarify.
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I never said that someone who tends to adhere to liberal ideas cannot also exhibit racism. But, are they "supremacists?" No, not from my experience. I don't see many people who call themselves liberal, or progressives, fervently trying to get people of a certain color or ethnicity to join together and keep all others away because they want some kind of racial purity.
 
strummingram said:
I never said that someone who tends to adhere to liberal ideas cannot also exhibit racism. But, are they "supremacists?" No, not from my experience. I don't see many people who call themselves liberal, or progressives, fervently trying to get people of a certain color or ethnicity to join together and keep all others away because they want some kind of racial purity.
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Well...I guess you learned something today. :D
 
strummingram said:
Yeah... her entire perspective of the world is through a political filter FIRST. That's a shame for anyone, in my opinion. Because, as Rogan pointed-out, politics is corrupt. Politics only exist because there is chaos and/or disagreement. Now, I am not saying there's no place for politics in society. We have no choice, it's here. And, in spite of political division, things somehow get accomplished. But, in my mind, politics is a poison, it's a weight around the neck of the species. It's a shame that we developed our governing system THROUGH politics.

Anyway, I digress. Owens is so fervently political, that she doesn't realize the impact it is having. She is so partisan and completely lacks objectivity (which is a symptom of partisan politics). It's a shame. It's entirely possible that she can maybe develop a newer understanding that is not so dependent on adhering to some political philosophy. She is intelligent, and articulate. But, she's a little too naive with this blind allegiance to whatever she believes to be "conservative."
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Personally, I don’t find her to be intelligent or articulate. I watched that episode of JRE and never had any interest in her opinions on anything. There are far more intelligent people who struggle to find a platform because they don’t tick the right boxes.

There’s something kind of insidious and gross about the way some people are championing people like her and Rubin. Their defenders will cry that the only reason “the left” hates them is because he’s gay or she’s black. It couldn’t possibly just be because their arguments aren’t very convincing. Some people love to play the identity politics card while attacking identity politics. They parade them out like they’re some kind of circus act because they tick the right boxes.
 
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One of the Epstein documents was unsealed. This is a really f'd up situation. I think child trafficking and prostitution is more common than most of us realize. Look at what happened at the Mexican border. They've been separating children from their parents since the Clinton administration. That was done to cut down on child-trafficking. Now, all of a sudden Trump comes in, busts 1500 child-traffickers in one month, and all of a sudden the media starts up this political blitz about the separation. Something is amiss. Anyways, here is the article. They need to unseal all these documents.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/jeffrey-epstein-unsealed-documents-name-powerful-men-in-sex-ring
 
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uncboy10 said:
Personally, I don’t find her to be intelligent or articulate. I watched that episode of JRE and never had any interest in her opinions on anything. There are far more intelligent people who struggle to find a platform because they don’t tick the right boxes.

There’s something kind of insidious and gross about the way some people are championing people like her and Rubin. Their defenders will cry that the only reason “the left” hates them is because he’s gay or she’s black. It couldn’t possibly just be because their arguments aren’t very convincing. Some people love to play the identity politics card while attacking identity politics. They parade them out like they’re some kind of circus act because they tick the right boxes.
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It isn't just them. The left attacks any minority that doesn't fall in line. As for you never having any interest in what Owens or Rubin says...yeah, I think we all already figured that out about you.
 
Okay, I'm headed out to watch the Bucs (more like watch the Bucs get smoked) game and drink a couple of beers for the first time in a long time. If you guys see a Florida Man story tomorrow, it might be yours truly. :D

Have a good one, peeps!
 
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Remember that gay Black conservative guy from the "Black Conservatives and Black Liberals" debate I posted a few weeks back? The gay Black conservative who served in the Army? Well, he was on Candace Owen's show and he killed. I know some people on here will talk about "binary speaking" or how these people are unintelligent...even with no real proof, only opinion (and even though they suffer from the same fate), but I'm just going to tell you this. Everything @uncboy10 has said about black/gay conservatives in this thread...he f***ing destroys it. We're talking 20 nucular missiles destroys it. It's a good watch, and hopefully you do watch it.

 
Candace Owens talks to "AC Slater" about family and being willing to talk to anyone. Something that @uncboy10 doesn't believe in. I honestly don't know how you can believe yourself to be any kind of intellectual if you ignore people with whom you don't agree.

 
I just wanted to make my point sure, that I find it hilarious that a doctorate student is so triggered by a bachelor graduate that they have to put them on ignore. It's completely comical and fascinating at the same time.
 
I just wanted to mention that the biggest two critics of my posts, @strummingram, and @uncboy10, haven't given any specifics about their objections. They constantly use Ad Hominem argument or arguments from authority to battle my perceptions. If they really want to debate, then we can debate...but I'm pretty sure that they don't want that.

I constantly get called ignorant on this board, but nobody really can debate my points.
 
Epstein found dead in his cell. They're calling it suicide, but I don't think anyone is buying that, especially since he was already on suicide watch. This comes a day after one of the sealed documents on his case was unsealed and fingered two prominent Democrats, one of whom had close ties to the Clintons. I don't feel sorry for the guy at all, but I think we can all see what really happened.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...-dies-suicide-inside-Manhattan-jail-cell.html
 
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