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strummingram said:
I mean, Tobacco, just being around is pretty harmless :) You gotta fix it just right and then get addicted to it.

And, I'm less-inclined to ban things like tobacco or alcohol (or, heroin, or cocaine). I wouldn't ban any of them, personally. I don't know if that would start a nationwide addiction or not. I just think the crime and illegal profit motive is worse than just having them legal to obtain and ingest.

The difference, for me, with these high-powered firearms, is trying to lower the overall body count and the trauma these events are having. It may not be worth the effort. I do think there must be something that is making America the unique exception with all these factors.
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Bro, a .308 bolt action rifle is a high-powered firearm. There's really nothing special about a .223 round. A 9mm round is bigger than a .223 (5.56mm).
 
prlyles said:
WTF are you talking about?
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Oh, and just to make your heads explode, the AR-15 can technically be bought as a pistol now.

https://news.yahoo.com/introducing-ar-pistol-ar-15s-105700219.html

So, have fun with the "assault weapons" ban, guys.

Edit: Here's the difference. It's the exact same gun, but short enough to be considered a pistol now.

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BTW, my buddy just picked up an AR-15 pistol for $325, brand new. Plus, it's a lot easier to wield at close range, which probably makes it even more dangerous than a regular AR-15. So, congratulations people. Your meddling has helped produced what might be an even more deadly weapon. Give yourselves a hand!
 
strummingram said:
I don't see a great deal of political attempts to try and benefit from impeding the medical industry in combating flu epidemics.
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Nor do you see a great deal of political attempts trying to come up with an immediate cure.
 
prlyles said:
e You don’t get it do you, I don’t care and never have cared what you think. Once I realized you are really the kind of person you are and not pretending I gave up on you. Have a good life...
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Well that just cuts deep.

Tell me again what it is you like about Carolina?
 
NoleSoup4U said:
Bro, a .308 bolt action rifle is a high-powered firearm. There's really nothing special about a .223 round. A 9mm round is bigger than a .223 (5.56mm).
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Nothing special? Do they kill you if they hit the right spot? That's as special as they need to be.

I'm just looking for ways to lower these high body counts before people are only shocked if it's at least 2 dozen dead. Most people seem to be in agreement to ban aspects of these firearms- magazine rounds, etc.. Or, we can remain stuck where we are and invest in funeral homes, caskets, flower shops, and so on.
 
strummingram said:
Nothing special? Do they kill you if they hit the right spot? That's as special as they need to be.

I'm just looking for ways to lower these high body counts before people are only shocked if it's at least 2 dozen dead. Most people seem to be in agreement to ban aspects of these firearms- magazine rounds, etc.. Or, we can remain stuck where we are and invest in funeral homes, caskets, flower shops, and so on.
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A .22 pistol kills you if you're hit in the right spot. Should we ban .22 pistols?
 
NoleSoup4U said:
A .22 pistol kills you if you're hit in the right spot. Should we ban .22 pistols?
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This is all you, and others, argue... "You can kill someone with a flower pot, if you try hard enough, Should we ban flower pots?"

If you think everything is working as efficiently as possible, then leave it like it is. Sell pipe bombs in gun stores. Don't regulate anything at all. Let people own mortars, M-60's, whatever they can get. It's only a few HUNDRED people a year, big deal.
 
strummingram said:
This is all you, and others, argue... "You can kill someone with a flower pot, if you try hard enough, Should we ban flower pots?"

If you think everything is working as efficiently as possible, then leave it like it is. Sell pipe bombs in gun stores. Don't regulate anything at all. Let people own mortars, M-60's, whatever they can get. It's only a few HUNDRED people a year, big deal.
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You don't like that? Well, let's switch topics to the pistol version of the AR-15. What do you think about that?
 
Here's what I'm about to buy.

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It's a snub-nosed Taurus .357 for conceal carry. It's great because you can put either .38 or .357 rounds in it. I don't know if it'll be small enough to wear with business attire, but other than that it should be fine. I can pick up something more in line with business attire at a later point.
 
NoleSoup4U said:
You don't like that? Well, let's switch topics to the pistol version of the AR-15. What do you think about that?
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Shouldn't we let all average citizens have mortars, and machine guns, sub-machine guns, tanks, grenades, etc.?
 
NoleSoup4U said:
Here's what I'm about to buy.

iu


It's a snub-nosed Taurus .357 for conceal carry. It's great because you can put either .38 or .357 rounds in it. I don't know if it'll be small enough to wear with business attire, but other than that it should be fine. I can pick up something more in line with business attire at a later point.
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Oh, and I can put a slug through an engine block if I have to. AR-15s aren't the only weapon with the power of penetration!
 
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NoleSoup4U said:
Why are you cherry picking stats. The stat you need to worry about is murder. It doesn't matter how they're murdered. It seems that, to you, murder isn't a big deal if it isn't committed by a gun. Now, I don't personally think that's true, but that's how you're acting. It's more likely that you're backed into a corner and don't have a decent argument.
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W T absolute F? Are you this way on purpose?

- You picked the stats
- It matters how easily people are murdered
- I don't believe you think that murder is a big deal as long as you have a gun - that's how you are acting
 
NoleSoup4U said:
BTW, my buddy just picked up an AR-15 pistol for $325, brand new. Plus, it's a lot easier to wield at close range, which probably makes it even more dangerous than a regular AR-15. So, congratulations people. Your meddling has helped produced what might be an even more deadly weapon. Give yourselves a hand!
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Whose meddling? Congress for not regulating the gun industry? Gun makers for finding a way to make even more money? The NRA?
 
NoleSoup4U said:
Here's what I'm about to buy.

iu


It's great because you can put either .38 or .357 rounds in it.
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OT - I am not a gun person ( I know you are surprised )

How does that work exactly? What are the downsides of it vs. using a gun that only accepts the exact round size?
 
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CanuckChuck said:
OT - I am not a gun person ( I know you are surprised )

How does that work exactly? What are the downsides of it vs. using a gun that only accepts the exact round size?
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A .357 round is just a .38 round with more gun powder. You can crack an engine block with a .357 round. The good thing about .38 ammo is it's much cheaper to buy, which makes it good for practice.
 
CanuckChuck said:
W T absolute F? Are you this way on purpose?

- You picked the stats
- It matters how easily people are murdered
- I don't believe you think that murder is a big deal as long as you have a gun - that's how you are acting
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If you only want to talk about one kind of murder, that's fine. Just don't expect it to fix the problem.
 
CanuckChuck said:
Whose meddling? Congress for not regulating the gun industry? Gun makers for finding a way to make even more money? The NRA?
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To be honest, I shouldn't have even posted the part about meddling. It had nothing to do with my point, and actually detracted from said point, which is that even a ban on semi-automatic rifles won't solve the problem anymore. These AR-15 pistols are going to become more popular than the rifles.
 
strummingram said:
I don't know what you mean, most of the time. Shooting at targets is practice for... shooting at other targets?
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For aiming the gun. If you ever have to pull your gun it would be nice to hit what you're firing at, wouldn't you say? Honestly, I'll probably never have to pull it. I hope I never have to pull it. However, I would like to have the option if needed!
 
NoleSoup4U said:
For aiming the gun. If you ever have to pull your gun it would be nice to hit what you're firing at, wouldn't you say? Honestly, I'll probably never have to pull it. I hope I never have to pull it. However, I would like to have the option if needed!
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I just hope that if you're ever attacked, your attacker looks like the targets you've been practicing on.
 
strummingram said:
I just hope that if you're ever attacked, your attacker looks like the targets you've been practicing on.
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I know what you're insinuating, but I don't know why you're doing it. Practice is for being able to aim the gun straight. It doesn't necessarily mean you're going to hit a moving target, but it makes it much more likely.
 
NoleSoup4U said:
I know what you're insinuating, but I don't know why you're doing it. Practice is for being able to aim the gun straight. It doesn't necessarily mean you're going to hit a moving target, but it makes it much more likely.
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And, then there's the tournaments. Don't they still have shooting competitions?
 
NoleSoup4U said:
Yeah, it was all over his manifesto. The crazy thing is the guy was a die-hard leftist.
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A "leftist?" What is that?

That's one reason I never listen to those videos you post with the Maria chick. She thinks and speaks in "left or right." That's indoctrination talk. Left is always bad and Right is always good. And, when it's not, then she claims she's neither left nor right. But, that's pretty rare. She takes pride in believing that she is always "conservative", all the time.
 
strummingram said:
A "leftist?" What is that?

That's one reason I never listen to those videos you post with the Maria chick. She thinks and speaks in "left or right." That's indoctrination talk. Left is always bad and Right is always good. And, when it's not, then she claims she's neither left nor right. But, that's pretty rare. She takes pride in believing that she is always "conservative", all the time.
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A socialist democrat, or whatever they call themselves. He supported stuff like a universal income and government run healthcare.
 
strummingram said:
A "leftist?" What is that?

That's one reason I never listen to those videos you post with the Maria chick. She thinks and speaks in "left or right." That's indoctrination talk. Left is always bad and Right is always good. And, when it's not, then she claims she's neither left nor right. But, that's pretty rare. She takes pride in believing that she is always "conservative", all the time.
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Maria chick? Are you talking about Candace Owens? Because if you are, she was a Democrat up until a few years ago, when she was targeted by the Democrats during the Gamer Gate fiasco. She would probably be closer to a Libertarian than a Conservative.
 
NoleSoup4U said:
A socialist democrat, or whatever they call themselves. He supported stuff like a universal income and government run healthcare.
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But, he hated Mexicans so much that he murdered 22 and wounded 24 more, in one mass shooting event.

That sounds like a Jewish rabbi wanting to join the SS.

ETA: That sounds like a Jewish Rabbi (redundant), who wears an SS uniform and oversees the gassing and cremation at a death camp.
 
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