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Nothing. There is discussion about the 14th Amendment and being born in the US. Legal scholars are split. Many feel it was to ensure slaves were citizens others that it applied to everyone. Some that say it was in reference to slaves say Trump can do an executive order to stop "Anchor Babies". Legislation may be introduce to address it. Either way will probably end up in the SC.
They're not split. Virtually every legit legal scholar says he can't do it. The supreme court has made rulings in the past that basically says everyone but diplomats and foreign soldiers are covered. He's just trying to get his base to show up and vote.
Apparently, it's a wee bit more than "Nothing."
https://www.google.com/search?ei=fk...0..0.67.67.1......0....1..gws-wiz.zOY7Y6pFw2k
Maybe i’m being overly paranoid or watch too many house of cards episodes. But this executive order thing to me sets such a terrifying precedent. Heres a president, one solitary man, willing to try and exercise his will over our constitution. And it might work cause guess what? If it goes to scotus, the swing vote is in his back pocket! So then the next dem president and the dem party and supporters will feel justified and will be chomping at the bit to start putting their spin on the constitution with their executive orders. I tell you this is huge. There will be such anger and unrest and it wont just be far left people it will be moderates and independents too. This could fundamentally change how we’re governed in a very very bad way. Shits gonna go down.
You're being paranoid. It's not going to happen. Even if he does do it, it's going to be shut down by the court. Even a conservative SC won't uphold it.
He has stated matter of factly and without qualification that he will issue an executive order ending giving citizenship to kids of illegals. This would either be in defiance
Of the 14th amendment or an attempt to alter it depending on your party preference.
I looked into it and found out. I even posted a link to my Google search of: "Trump Executive Order." I don't think you're being overly paranoid because Trump has proven that he's capable of the unprecedented. He loves providing lotion and tissues for his base. I did see where Paul Ryan challenged him. Paul is seen as a RINO to most Trump supporters. Trump has changed the definition of Conservative and Republican.
I'd probably bet on this just being a bluff. He's a bullshitter first-and-foremost.
Having judges in your back pocket is MAGA!
That is one of many reasons this man is dangerous. He doesn’t care if he does lasting damage as long has he gets what he wants and he has set his base up to agree with anything he wants to do. Name one issue that his base has bucked him on. Hell they are even defending his “I am proud to be a nationalist” statement. Somehow he has talked them into believing that nationalism is the same as patriotism. The fact that they can’t name one nationalist, down through history, who did not bring ruin to their country makes no difference, they back Trump.
Nationalism implies a superiority. Once that becomes popular, then it really gets interesting.
I will give Trump credit for not sending American troops to more countries and start wars. Aside from sending them to the Texas border, he hasn't been overly aggressive with a militaristic foreign policy.
That’s why he is dangerous. Is there any doubt in your mind that he would not send troops, or do anything else, if he thought it would help him keep his base and he would do it without any regard for what is best for the country.
Who's to say what his base wants isn't what's best for the country?
Yeah it’s a pretty safe bet that stripping abortion rights and banning gay marriage while we build a 2000 mile border wall is not what’s best for the country...
It’s not really just a matter of opinion. Any economist could do an objective cost benefit analysis of those policy options.
Thing is i dont support giving citizenship to the kids of illegals. I am all for immigration reform and enforcing the laws. However when i read the 14th amendment it seems rather clear that if you’re born in the us you’re a citizen. Right wingers point to the part that says “and subject to the jurisdiction thereof” as evidence that non citizens are excluded. If thats the case WHY NOT JUST SAY THAT. Why is it writtennin some sort of vague code for us to figure out? Seems to me its just stating that the people referenced, babies born here or naturalized citizens, are subject to us jurisdiction.
Subject to the jurisdiction of language has already been clarified by the court. The chances of him trying this are extremely small. It's not a coincidence that he said this a week before the election.
https://thehill.com/opinion/immigra...set-clear-precedent-on-birthright-citizenship
I agree with you here. But I also would bet that the framers never planned on an influx of illegals. I think it was written to benefit slaves.
I also believe Trump is doing this to fire up his base. Hell Dems in the past had the same stance on illegals. Kinda like the Dem candidates proposing all the free stuff they want to do.
+Jumping off track for a minute. For eight years the GOP tried to defeat the ACA, saying they had a better plan. Trump promised everyone he had a great plan. And he got elected. The GOP controlled congress spent weeks trying to come up with a plan that they have told us for eight years that they had. It was all a lie, they didn't have anything and come to find out, Trump's plan was nothing but a lie also. Healthcare cost has risen quite a bit more than the stock market, tax cuts, etc. that Trump likes to take credit for. Our standing in the world in the lowest since the country was formed, hell we're are laughed at by 3rd world countries. Trump supporters like to call real conservatives RINO's and the fact is he not in any form at all a conservative. Hating people of color doesn't make you a conservative And last but not least, he is just a terrible human being in every respect
I’ve heard over and over and had friends of mine say they’re voting straight republican “to help trump with his agenda”. Wtf is wrong with people? I mean for chrissakes vote for whomever you like but please god NEVER put one mans agenda on a pedestal like this. Think for yourself. Its like they worship trump and just do whatever he says. Scary stuff.
And, if you asked those same people what his agenda is they couldn't tell you.
No - they could tell you. But it would be in Trumps vague terms of "Putting America first" by keeping out illegals and keeping jobs in the US.
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Ya, this is sort of where I'm at too. I think the whole "anchor baby" thing needs to be addressed, because it's clearly a loophole in the standard immigration procedure. As @nctransplant said, I can't imagine those who drafted the 14th amendment anticipated the future influx of illegal immigrants having babies in the US for the purpose of securing their own spot in the country, but who knows.
But... we can't just start having executive orders to change the Constitution. Terrible precedent. If it's going to be changed, it should be changed in the correct process.
Agreed. Rising healthcare costs are IMO one of the biggest problems we face as a country. And the problem has been getting exponentially worse for about the last 10 years. Something needs to be done to fix the problem.
And if you ask his opponents what the Democrats agenda is they couldn't tell you. Not knowing an agenda is nothing new. The average voter is ignorant on most issues either by choice or because they believe what is feed to them by the candidate and media.
Names and party affiliation should be taken off the ballot.
Not sure if that’s true. Sure there are morons on both sides, but in my experience people who supported Bernie tended to be more issue oriented. Most of his supporters could tell you exactly what his platform is because he consistently sticks to those issues.
Lol I may be liberal in the sense i’m not as conservative as you but i am actually conservative on more issues than i’m liberal on. I’m a constitutionalist for sure. Maybe i’m even libertarian. Maybe i’m a little of everything. I dont really know any more. Few people seem to embrace my form of political activism. Everyone wants to “take sides” and by gawwwd yer going to hell if’n ya dont agree.
It reminds me of the time when he said he trusts putin more than the fbi. Thing is although he backed off the comment ALL HIS FOLLOWERS WERE READY TO GO ALONG WITH IT!! Same with this, although it seems a given this wont hold up HIS FOLLOWERS LOVE IT AND SUPPORT IT!! They seem to have no problem with ONE MAN enforcing his interpretation of our constitution by executive order. That blows my mind. I cant fathom this level of irrational thinking in support of one persons agenda. This is terrifying to me.
